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« on: July 14, 2012, 06:37:42 AM »

I was looking forward to reading this book. Is this online pdf that I found the whole book, or just an excerpt?
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 08:35:54 AM »

Skimming over it, it looks like the whole thing. I wonder how they're able to do that...
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 09:07:14 AM »

Interesting. I'll definitely take a look at this if it's the whole thing. I've been meaning to get my hands on a copy...
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2012, 09:50:28 AM »

No, it is NOT the complete book.  It appears some chapters are fully present.  Others, however, are not.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2012, 09:55:51 AM »

No, it is NOT the complete book.  It appears some chapters are fully present.  Others, however, are not.

Thanks, IXOYE! Do you have a copy of the book? Can you tell us what's missing??

I don't mean to ask you for an extensive analysis, just a quick run-down, if you have the time...
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2012, 11:17:55 AM »

Yes, I have a copy of Unseen Warfare.

The .Pdf version:

Chapter 1 Missing one paragraph
Chapter 2 Full Chapter
Chapter 3 Full Chapter
Chapter 4 Full Chapter
Chapter 5 Full Chapter
Chapter 6 Full Chapter
Chapter 7 Some parts missing
Chapter 8 Full Chapter
Chapter 9 One paragraph missing
Chapter 10 Three paragraphs missing
Chapter 11 Full Chapter
Chapter 12 One paragraph missing
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 11:26:06 AM »

Sorry, I'm a lazy skimmer.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2012, 12:32:29 PM »

Yes, I have a copy of Unseen Warfare.

The .Pdf version:

Chapter 1 Missing one paragraph
Chapter 2 Full Chapter
Chapter 3 Full Chapter
Chapter 4 Full Chapter
Chapter 5 Full Chapter
Chapter 6 Full Chapter
Chapter 7 Some parts missing
Chapter 8 Full Chapter
Chapter 9 One paragraph missing
Chapter 10 Three paragraphs missing
Chapter 11 Full Chapter
Chapter 12 One paragraph missing
Thanks for informing us. While the pdf is incomplete, it can be a valuable resource being that it is only missing a few paragraphs here and there.

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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 12:38:14 PM »

Yes, I have a copy of Unseen Warfare.

The .Pdf version:

Chapter 1 Missing one paragraph
Chapter 2 Full Chapter
Chapter 3 Full Chapter
Chapter 4 Full Chapter
Chapter 5 Full Chapter
Chapter 6 Full Chapter
Chapter 7 Some parts missing
Chapter 8 Full Chapter
Chapter 9 One paragraph missing
Chapter 10 Three paragraphs missing
Chapter 11 Full Chapter
Chapter 12 One paragraph missing

Thank you so much!

Awesome that it's most of the book. Really cool. Again, thanks for taking the time to look through and post!

Sorry, I'm a lazy skimmer.

Haha. No harm done! Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2012, 12:49:55 PM »

Yes, I have a copy of Unseen Warfare.

The .Pdf version:

Chapter 1 Missing one paragraph
Chapter 2 Full Chapter
Chapter 3 Full Chapter
Chapter 4 Full Chapter
Chapter 5 Full Chapter
Chapter 6 Full Chapter
Chapter 7 Some parts missing
Chapter 8 Full Chapter
Chapter 9 One paragraph missing
Chapter 10 Three paragraphs missing
Chapter 11 Full Chapter
Chapter 12 One paragraph missing
Are the chapters you are referring to from part one or two of the pdf?
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »

Yes, I have a copy of Unseen Warfare.

The .Pdf version:

Chapter 1 Missing one paragraph
Chapter 2 Full Chapter
Chapter 3 Full Chapter
Chapter 4 Full Chapter
Chapter 5 Full Chapter
Chapter 6 Full Chapter
Chapter 7 Some parts missing
Chapter 8 Full Chapter
Chapter 9 One paragraph missing
Chapter 10 Three paragraphs missing
Chapter 11 Full Chapter
Chapter 12 One paragraph missing
Are the chapters you are referring to from part one or two of the pdf?

Part one.  I compared the .Pdf to my copy of Unseen Warfare in hand.  My 5" x 8" copy is 281 pages including "A History of Unseen Warfare." The main text is 224 pages.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 01:11:32 PM »

^Thank you. Does this mean that the chapters from part two of the pdf are complete?
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2012, 02:11:44 PM »

^Thank you. Does this mean that the chapters from part two of the pdf are complete?


After closer examination is does seem everything is there - I did not check the entire book.  Severian asked about Part Two, so I checked and things turned out.

Here is the problem...some paragraphs are combined...I would look for five paragraphs for example and see only three or four.  That is because they have been combined not as they are in the actual book.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2012, 02:19:51 PM »

^Thank you for all your help. That is excellent news!
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2012, 08:00:51 PM »

I was told that the former work was written by the Roman Catholic Monk Lorenzo Scupoli, and was edited by St. Nicodemus of Athos into "Unseen Warfare", a spiritual treatise which is more in conformity to Orthodox spirituality. What specific differences are there between the two? I was planning to read the both online for both spiritual edification and an academic comparison, but I wanted to get some background information on them first.

Unseen Warfare can be found here:
http://www.stnicholasdc.org/files/Orthodoxy/Unseen-Warfare.pdf

The Spiritual Combat can be read here:
http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/combat.htm
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2012, 09:42:35 PM »

If you're really set on reading it, by all means read it.  But it doesn't usually get a lot of attention in Eastern Orthodox circles because The Ladder of Divine Ascent is really so much better.  I also think The Path to Salvation by St. Theophan the Recluse is much better as well.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2012, 01:12:19 AM »

I was told that the former work was written by the Roman Catholic Monk Lorenzo Scupoli, and was edited by St. Nicodemus of Athos into "Unseen Warfare", a spiritual treatise which is more in conformity to Orthodox spirituality. What specific differences are there between the two? I was planning to read the both online for both spiritual edification and an academic comparison, but I wanted to get some background information on them first.

Unseen Warfare can be found here:
http://www.stnicholasdc.org/files/Orthodoxy/Unseen-Warfare.pdf

The Spiritual Combat can be read here:
http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/combat.htm

My copy is currently out on loan so I can't recheck, but the forward to the printed edition actually goes into a fair amount of detail about what changes St. Nicodemus and St. Theophan made to the original text. In particular, I believe it says that references to the Sacred Heart and any reference to Ignatian-style visualization prayer were removed while references to Eastern (particularly the Desert Fathers whom St. Nicodemus was intimately familiar with) Fathers were added where they were relevant or confirmed the text.
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2012, 01:28:29 AM »

^Thank you for the contribution, but what is meant by visualization prayer?
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2012, 01:51:09 AM »

^Thank you for the contribution, but what is meant by visualization prayer?

In medieveal Western devotion, it became common to use the imagination in prayer. When one prayed to Christ, one was encouraged to 'visualize' Him on the Cross, to think about the actual bloody wounds in His hands and feet, the stripes on His back, etc. During the Counter-Reformation, this approach was emphasized even further and systemized by individuals like Ignatius of Loyola whose Spiritual Exercises are largely a set of scenes that the believer should visualize as thoroughly as possible--to the extent that you can 'smell' the sweat of the crowd and 'hear' the individual epithets as they cry out 'crucify him'. This approach is very distinct from that of the Desert Fathers who emphasize the exact opposite--that one should *not* allow the imagination to run free but should rather attempt to empty the mind of anything and everything but the words of the prayer.
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2012, 02:14:32 AM »

^Thanks.
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2012, 08:32:46 PM »

Some further thoughts on imagination.

“I have referred to images harmful to the soul because there are other images which are permissable, as St. Kallistos noted. Such images include the contrition, the grief, and the humility of the heart; the meditations upon death, the future judgment, and the eternal punishments; the study and meditation upon creation and the Incarnation of the Lord; the phenomena of creation, the miracles, and the mysteries of the Lord’s Incarnation -- the birth, the baptism, the crucifixion, the burial, the resurrection, and so forth, as we said before. Finally, it is permissible, when fighting against certain inappropriate and evil imaginations presented by the enemy, to use other appropriate and virtuous imaginations. Do not pay any attention to the shameful and fearful images of the foolish and irrational imagination and do not be frightened by them. Ignore them and consider them unworthy of your attention. They are empty playthings without any true substance. He who is used to ignoring the imaginations can also ignore the real things themselves that are depicted in the imaginations, as St. Maximos has noted: “He who conquers over the passionate fantasies will also be ale to prevail over the realities they represent.” Let me conclude this chapter and summarize what I have been saying. Know that if you impress upon the board and chart of your imagination beautiful and appropriate images, you will be praised on the day of judgement, when what each person imagines secretly will be revealed. But if you allow inappropriate and evil images to be recorded and to dwell in your imagination, you will be condemned.”

- St. Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain. (A Handbook of Spiritual Counsel, p. 151)

"And going from there, and descending to the court of the impious
and unjust Caiphas, enter in with your Lord, and stand there firmly,
so that you may witness the insults He suffers for you, that you may
then become a more perfect lover of your Lord. Follow Him still
further, and stand at the place of His Cross, as a faithful servant
by his Lord. Behold how blood flowed from His side, and water, for
the redemption of your soul, O my Brother! And also look carefully
where they laid Him, when taken down from the Cross.

"And go in the morning early; go with the women to His tomb, and see
the stone rolled back from above Him, and see the Angels standing
there. Listen to what the Angels say to the women: 'The Lord is
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"...unless you look upon all these things with the understanding eye
of faith you cannot be uplifted from earth to heaven, and behold the
sufferings of Christ with spiritual understanding. For the eye of
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- St. Ephrem the Syrian (The Sunday Sermons of the Great Fathers, p. 121)

A more contemporary writer:

"Not infrequently, Orthodox readers are shocked by recipes in books of Western Renaissance mystics prescribing the use of the human imagination to visualize the passions of Christ, or other events of the gospel. It is correct to point out that traditional Orthodox mysticism demands control of the imagination, and warns about the dangers of imaginative representations in prayer. But in considering Western Renaissance mysticism, the cultural specificity of the times cannot be ignored: mediaeval theocentric culture was being replaced by a totally different, anthropocentric culture where imagination was given a near-central role. The task facing spiritual teachers of the time, then, was not to force people to renounce their imagination altogether, but to teach them how to direct their imagination towards matters from which spiritual benefit could be gained, in particular towards the events of sacred history."

- Abp. Hilarion Alfeyev (http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/11/1/2.aspx)
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2012, 12:01:08 PM »

If you're really set on reading it, by all means read it.  But it doesn't usually get a lot of attention in Eastern Orthodox circles because The Ladder of Divine Ascent is really so much better.  I also think The Path to Salvation by St. Theophan the Recluse is much better as well.

Where can I get the best English edition of the Ladder of Divine Ascent?

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2012, 12:07:01 PM »

Where can I get the best English edition of the Ladder of Divine Ascent?

Thanks.

I would say the Holy Transfiguration Monastery version, available from their website, is the best. However, the Western Classics version has a brilliant introduction by Met. Kallistos Ware, which is well worth a read.
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2012, 01:04:20 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Thank you Severian, that is a crucial text which I have only been able previously to read in segments and excerpts.  Here is some recommended valuable supplemental reading:

Diabolical Wars By His Holiness Pope Shenouda III

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Spiritual wars are allowed by God for our benefit... and for
the crowns gained through them as one of the saints said,
"None shall be crowned except the one who conquers, and none
shall conquer except the one who fights."
God intends these wars to test the freedom of our will, and to
give us the opportunity to deserve the riches of the heavens if
we conquer... As for the devil, it is his nature to resist God's
kingdom and fight those who seek it. He fights God through
His children and accuses them as in the case of Job the just (Job
1,2). He envies those who lead a life of righteousness, that they
may not gain the divine blessing which he himself was deprived
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2012, 02:24:53 PM »

Where can I get the best English edition of the Ladder of Divine Ascent?

Thanks.

I would say the Holy Transfiguration Monastery version, available from their website, is the best. However, the Western Classics version has a brilliant introduction by Met. Kallistos Ware, which is well worth a read.

I just checked with HTM.  I asked about their edition and this is what they told me about their edition:

Yes, as a matter of fact, it [Ladder of Divine Ascent] is at the printer's now and we should be getting the new copies any time. Check back next week. Hopefully we will have gotten them by then.


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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2012, 04:30:29 PM »

Skimming over it, it looks like the whole thing. I wonder how they're able to do that...

Copyright infringement is OK if it's for God. /s

Unseen Warfare is one of my favorite spiritual books. It is powerful in its simplicity. I recommend that everyone read it often.
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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2012, 08:59:50 AM »

Is it the complete version?
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Is it the complete version?
Yes, AFAIK.
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Is it the complete version?
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Great! Thanks!
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