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Chalcedon
« on: June 25, 2015, 12:18:06 AM »
Question: I was reading the minutes of Chalcedon and was wondering what caused Pope Dioscorus not to show up after the first gathering? was there a reason?
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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 12:20:00 AM »
Which version of the minutes are you reading?

From Price and Gaddis, they made it clear it was house arrest.
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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 01:09:47 AM »
I was not aware there were 2 versions.. Interesting.

I had a feeling he was being imprisoned too because there was nothing that he did wrong that would cause him from not attending.

Do you have a link for the other version?
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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 01:10:44 AM »
The Coptic Synaxarium mentions that Dioscoros refused to appear at Chalcedon because he considered the Dyophysite interpretation of Chalcedon to be lacking a Miaphysite interpretation. He asked that the Dyophysite view of the council be reconsidered, and was denied. After being denied, he refused to participate and was deposed and exiled.

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1. The Departure of St. Dioscorus, 25th Pope of Alexandria.

On this day of the year 451 A.D., the blessed father and the great champion of Orthodoxy, Saint Dioscorus, 25th Pope of Alexandria, departed. His departure took place on the island of Gagra after he had fought the good fight defending the Orthodox faith.

When he was summoned to the Council of Chalcedon by the order of Emperor Marcianus, he saw a great assembly of 630 bishops. Saint Dioscorus asked, "In whom is the faith lacking that it was necessary to gather this great assembly?" They told him, "This assembly has been convened by the emperor's command." He replied, "If this assembly has been convened by the command of our Lord Jesus Christ I shall stay and speak with what God may give me to say; but if this assembly has been convened by the emperor's command, let the emperor manage his assembly as he pleases."

When he saw that Leo, Archbishop of Rome, was teaching that Christ has two natures and two wills after the Union, he took the charge to refute this new belief. He stated that our Lord Jesus Christ is one, He who was invited to the wedding as a man and changed the water into wine as a God, and that the two natures were not separated in all of His works. Quoting Pope Cyril, he said, "The Hypostatic Union of the Word of God with the flesh is like the union of the soul with the body and like the union of fire and iron: even as they are of two different natures, by their union they became one. Likewise, our Lord Christ is one Messiah, one Lord, and one Nature." None of those who were gathered at that assembly dared to contradict him. Among them were some who had attended the Council of Ephesus, which had been convened against Nestorius. Some informed the Emperor Marcianus and the Empress Belkarya that no one disobeyed their commands concerning the faith except Dioscorus, Patriarch of the City of Alexandria. They brought St. Dioscorus, and the leading bishops of the Council who debated and discussed the matter till it was evening, but St. Dioscorus would not deviate from his Orthodox belief. The emperor and empress were irritated at this, and the empress commanded to smite St. Dioscorus on his mouth, and to pluck out the hair of his beard. He took the hair and the teeth that were knocked out and sent them to Alexandria saying, "This is the fruit of Faith."

When the rest of the bishops saw what had happened to Dioscorus, they agreed with the emperor, being afraid of undergoing the same fate. They signed the document of the belief that Christ has two distinct and separate natures. When St. Dioscorus knew this, he sent for the document and pretended that he wanted to sign it too. But when he read the document, he wrote at its foot that he excommunicated everyone who had signed it, as well as everyone who deviated from the Orthodox Faith. The emperor was enraged and he commanded to banish St. Dioscorus to the island of Gagra, along with St. Macarius, the Bishop of Edko, and two others, and the Council of Chalcedon was resumed.

When they took St. Dioscorus to the island of Gagra, its bishop, because he was a Nestorian, met him with contempt and disdain. However, God performed at the hands of St. Dioscorus many great signs and wonders, so that all obeyed him, respected and revered him greatly, for God honors His chosen ones in every place. St. Dioscorus told St. Macarius, his companion in exile, "You shall receive the crown of martyrdom in Alexandria." He sent him with one of the believing merchants to Alexandria, where he received the crown of martyrdom.

St. Dioscorus, having ended his good fight, departed from this vain life and received the crown of eternal life. He departed on the island of Gagra where his body was laid.

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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2015, 01:28:01 AM »
I read that story in the Coptic Synxarium before but both version of the stories are not very detailed to what happened.
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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2015, 09:54:22 AM »
The authoritative edition of the Acts is that translated by Price and Gaddis.
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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2015, 03:33:46 AM »
Thank you Fr. Peter
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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2015, 06:06:45 AM »
Father Richard Price is a great speaker and scholar. He describes St Dioscorus as a second Athanasius.
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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 01:16:32 AM »
Father Richard Price is a great speaker and scholar. He describes St Dioscorus as a second Athanasius.
Father Peter, I have often looked for this quote but can't find it! Where have you found him saying this and in what context does he mean him to be "a second Athanasius"? Thanks.

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Re: Chalcedon
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2015, 04:47:02 AM »
You would have to ask him yourself, but I believe it is because he took a stand on principle that left him entirely isolated for a time.
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