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Offline Fotios1303

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Some questions about Coptic tradition
« on: July 08, 2012, 08:14:36 PM »
Hello everyone!


I have visited the Coptic Cathedral of Saint Mark in Sao Paulo - Brazil. Anba Agathon is a very nice man!

I saw some "strange" thing in this church, for example "the bishop and priest just use the alb,and the bishop use a veil,the priest use a "mitre",no stole,no cape,no cuffs..." and in the moment of communion of people,women entered the sanctuary by right door,for receive communion.

These are Coptic tradition or just a innovation(like latinization) in this parish?


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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2012, 08:58:51 PM »
Coptic Priests' vestments are simpler than those of Byzantine clergy. As per women communing in the sanctuary, this depends on the parish.
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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2012, 09:29:30 PM »
Welcome to the forum, Fotios!   :)
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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2012, 09:36:26 PM »
Thanks!
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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2012, 09:53:38 PM »
Quote from: Fotios1303 on July 08, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
Hello everyone!


I have visited the Coptic Cathedral of Saint Mark in Sao Paulo - Brazil. Anba Agathon is a very nice man!

I saw some "strange" thing in this church, for example "the bishop and priest just use the alb,and the bishop use a veil,the priest use a "mitre",no stole,no cape,no cuffs..." and in the moment of communion of people,women entered the sanctuary by right door,for receive communion.

These are Coptic tradition or just a innovation(like latinization) in this parish?


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They didn't enter the sanctuary. There are two rooms flanking the sanctuary, one for men, the other for women.
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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2012, 10:14:25 PM »
But the sanctuary of this church is not divided.

It's one sanctuary,i didn't saw another room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrq5rSHLOg
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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2012, 10:21:29 PM »
It is interesting to see this Bishop dressed with an imperial mitre. Most Coptic Bishops just wear the Qualansuwa, or Monastic cap, when serving the liturgy.
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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2012, 12:23:02 AM »
The cape, epitrachelion, and cuffs are all part of the priest's liturgical vestments in the Coptic tradition. Coptic Studies scholar A. J. Butler in fact suggests that the cuffs originated in the Coptic tradition.

As per current practice--for reasons I don't know--the use of all three tend to be reserved for ceremonial occasions (most notably, festal liturgies). I know of some priests though who have a habit of at least wearing the stole when performing sacramental functions.
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Re: Some questions about Coptic tradition
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2012, 03:03:00 PM »
I wouldn't dream of celebrating anything without wearing my stole and mitre. I usually reserve the cape for festal services.
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