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Higgs Particle
« on: July 06, 2012, 06:10:47 PM »
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Our understanding of physical reality — of everything and nothing — has changed forever. We don't yet know where we are heading, but nothing will ever be the same. As a scientist, I don't know what more I could ask for.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/06/opinion/krauss-higgs-particle/index.html?hpt=hp_abar

Can we please stop calling this the "God particle" please?
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 06:18:28 PM »
What's your problem with God and His creation!?  8)
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 06:21:06 PM »
What's your problem with God and His creation!?  8)
I refuse to be labeled as a particle!
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 09:17:29 PM »
What's your problem with God and His creation!?  8)
I refuse to be labeled as a particle!

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 01:46:10 PM »
The Higgs Boson walks into a Catholic Church. The priest says: "What are you doing here?" HB says "You can't have mass without me."

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 01:54:54 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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Our understanding of physical reality — of everything and nothing — has changed forever. We don't yet know where we are heading, but nothing will ever be the same. As a scientist, I don't know what more I could ask for.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/06/opinion/krauss-higgs-particle/index.html?hpt=hp_abar

Can we please stop calling this the "God particle" please?

Its actually called the "God d**n particle" but the original was a bit too offensive ;)

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2012, 02:25:06 PM »
What's your problem with God and His creation!?  8)
I refuse to be labeled as a particle!

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Re: Higgs Particle
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2012, 07:30:01 PM »
Lol, I love this thread!

but, for the record, One guy called it the "God particle" in the title of his work (everything needs a catchy name, right?), then became a Nobel laureate, so it caught on among the people. Physicists themselves, however, generally discourage the nickname.
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2012, 08:04:29 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom was the smallest particle in existence.
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2012, 08:09:13 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.
What constitutes, in your opinion "real" science vs "fake" science?

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2012, 08:10:11 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.

Some scientists dislike the term "the God particle". Others like it because it's good PR (it gets journalists to get off their butts and pay attention to science for once). But this has nothing to do with replacing God with science.
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2012, 08:13:55 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.
What constitutes, in your opinion "real" science vs "fake" science?

Without getting too deep into it, science in many ways has lost sense of its purpose.  It's no longer implemented in the fashion which it works best.  Much of what passes today as science doesn't seem to stand up to its own standards or methods.  Much of it is fueled by politics or ideology.  That sort of thing. 

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 08:15:12 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.

Some scientists dislike the term "the God particle". Others like it because it's good PR (it gets journalists to get off their butts and pay attention to science for once). But this has nothing to do with replacing God with science.
Also, as Habte pointed out earlier. The God Particle's original title was the God D**n Particle because of the difficulties they had trying to find it. Trying to make this about science vs. religion is just silly IMO.

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 08:15:57 PM »
Well of course not, God is not the object of science.
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 08:16:55 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.

Some scientists dislike the term "the God particle". Others like it because it's good PR (it gets journalists to get off their butts and pay attention to science for once). But this has nothing to do with replacing God with science.

Perhaps, but I have learned to be pessimistic about this sort of thing.  The original intent is oftentimes ignored and consumed by ideologs.

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 08:17:12 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.
What constitutes, in your opinion "real" science vs "fake" science?

Without getting too deep into it, science in many ways has lost sense of its purpose.  It's no longer implemented in the fashion which it works best.  Much of what passes today as science doesn't seem to stand up to its own standards or methods.  Much of it is fueled by politics or ideology.  That sort of thing. 
So you're saying the scientific method no longer works? Or is it just no longer being used?

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 08:20:15 PM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.
What constitutes, in your opinion "real" science vs "fake" science?

Without getting too deep into it, science in many ways has lost sense of its purpose.  It's no longer implemented in the fashion which it works best.  Much of what passes today as science doesn't seem to stand up to its own standards or methods.  Much of it is fueled by politics or ideology.  That sort of thing. 
So you're saying the scientific method no longer works? Or is it just no longer being used?

No longer being used, but this is a wide generalized sweeping statement which certainly does not apply to all scientists or all fields of study.  The faults lies in individuals, not the science itself.

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 08:42:55 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Well of course not, God is not the object of science.

Sir Isaac Newton and even Albert Einstein may just disagree with you ;)

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 08:54:13 PM »
Sir Isaac Newton and even Albert Einstein may just disagree with you ;)

I'm a bit confused here, as one of these men definitely believed in God, while the other definitely did not :)
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2012, 08:54:59 PM »
Sir Isaac Newton and even Albert Einstein may just disagree with you ;)

I'm a bit confused here, as one of these men definitely believed in God, while the other definitely did not :)
Both believed in God..?
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2012, 09:17:39 PM »
Sir Isaac Newton and even Albert Einstein may just disagree with you ;)

I'm a bit confused here, as one of these men definitely believed in God, while the other definitely did not :)
Both believed in God..?

Einstein used "God" in the same way I do when I say "God Bless" when someone sneezes... it's just a saying, not a statement about one's theological beliefs. People talked about this during Einstein's life, and his response was:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2012, 09:20:29 PM »
He may have denied a personal god, but there is no way, based off his writing, that he was an atheist. That I am 100% convinced of.
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2012, 09:41:23 PM »
He may have denied a personal god, but there is no way, based off his writing, that he was an atheist. That I am 100% convinced of.

There are plenty more quotes to look up, if you're interested. Personally I find it somewhat distasteful, the way religionists and atheists argue over him and try to claim him, though I do like to put my 2 cents in nonetheless.  :angel: :police:
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2012, 09:53:26 PM »
He may have denied a personal god, but there is no way, based off his writing, that he was an atheist. That I am 100% convinced of.

There are plenty more quotes to look up, if you're interested. Personally I find it somewhat distasteful, the way religionists and atheists argue over him and try to claim him, though I do like to put my 2 cents in nonetheless.  :angel: :police:
The same goes for Hitler, unfourtantley. I mean in regards to him being a Christian or not.

But I guess it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 08:54:15 AM »
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Einstein used many labels to describe his religious views, including "agnostic"[3] "religious nonbeliever"[4] and a believer in "Spinoza's God."[5] He rejected other labels like "atheist" and "pantheist".[6]

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein

and a view of God which sounds very Orthodox.....

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I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things.[6]

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2012, 08:58:52 AM »
As for the naming of it....

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The contrary impression, evidently shared by your friends, is undoubtedly due to the appellation “the God Particle” given to the Higgs boson by Leon Lederman in his 1993 book The God Particle. Some people seem to think that the Higgs Boson takes the place of God. In fact, however, Lederman called it “the God Particle” for two reasons: (1) like God, the particle underlies every physical object that exists; and (2) like God, the particle is very difficult to detect!

From http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2012/07/q-theological-implications-of-higgs.html

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Particle:_If_the_Universe_Is_the_Answer,_What_Is_the_Question%3F

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Re: Higgs Particle
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2012, 09:16:23 AM »
People have been attempting to replace God with science for a long time.  They are not going to stop, nor should they as their attempts reveal just how finite their understanding is and how futile their efforts are in doing so.  I love real science.  Sadly, much of it today isn't "real" any longer.  For the record, I remember when the atom Aww the smallest particle in existence.
What constitutes, in your opinion "real" science vs "fake" science?

Without getting too deep into it, science in many ways has lost sense of its purpose.  It's no longer implemented in the fashion which it works best.  Much of what passes today as science doesn't seem to stand up to its own standards or methods.  Much of it is fueled by politics or ideology.  That sort of thing. 
So you're saying the scientific method no longer works? Or is it just no longer being used?

No longer being used, but this is a wide generalized sweeping statement which certainly does not apply to all scientists or all fields of study.  The fault lies in individuals, not the science itself.