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What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« on: July 01, 2012, 10:51:46 PM »
Considering that he departed this life in 435, is he accepted?

Or does the treatise he wrote on the Incarnation against Nestorius for the future Pope Leo cause us a problem?

Asking because Wikipedia doesn't include any of our Churches in the list of those which honour/venerate him.

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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 12:10:12 AM »
Hmm. I'm curious myself!

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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 09:07:43 AM »
He is absolutely a saint and one of my favourite in every way.
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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 09:12:28 AM »
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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2012, 06:21:25 AM »
What about St. Demiana - she is not known in the west right?

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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2012, 06:32:34 AM »
I don't think so, Pharaoh.

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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2013, 09:26:40 AM »
Considering that he departed this life in 435, is he accepted?

Or does the treatise he wrote on the Incarnation against Nestorius for the future Pope Leo cause us a problem?

Asking because Wikipedia doesn't include any of our Churches in the list of those which honour/venerate him.

Thank you 8)

I don't know if you'd be interested in this but here you can read the Seven Books of John Cassian on the Incarnation of the Lord, Against Nestorius: Book 1 Chapter 1 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf211.iv.vii.ii.i.html

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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 01:28:47 PM »
Considering that he departed this life in 435, is he accepted?

Or does the treatise he wrote on the Incarnation against Nestorius for the future Pope Leo cause us a problem?

Asking because Wikipedia doesn't include any of our Churches in the list of those which honour/venerate him.

Thank you 8)

I don't know if you'd be interested in this but here you can read the Seven Books of John Cassian on the Incarnation of the Lord, Against Nestorius: Book 1 Chapter 1 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf211.iv.vii.ii.i.html

It's worth noting that Saint John approves of the phrase "in two natures" in this work.
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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2015, 03:18:52 AM »
He has always been one of my favourite saints and continues to be so. His writings are immensely important as a means of understanding the Desert spirituality.
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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 03:19:32 AM »
Why would the use of the phrase "in two natures" be a problem. It is what is mean by any language that is always the issue.
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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 09:12:28 AM »
Why would the use of the phrase "in two natures" be a problem. It is what is mean by any language that is always the issue.

I agree (of course). I think it's also worth noting that the book is addressed to Leo, who was a deacon in Rome at the time. It was on the basis of this book that Leo urged Pope Celestine to condemn Nestorius- the other major factor being, of course, Cyril's testimony. I point this out only because I get the impression that some think the phrase "in two natures" used at Chalcedon was simply a borrowing from Theodore of Mopsuestia or his school, when actually it was just a translation from the Tome of Leo, who in turn was taking this language from John Cassian's book against Nestorius.
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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 10:27:05 AM »
Considering that he departed this life in 435, is he accepted?

Or does the treatise he wrote on the Incarnation against Nestorius for the future Pope Leo cause us a problem?

Asking because Wikipedia doesn't include any of our Churches in the list of those which honour/venerate him.

Thank you 8)

I don't know if you'd be interested in this but here you can read the Seven Books of John Cassian on the Incarnation of the Lord, Against Nestorius: Book 1 Chapter 1 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf211.iv.vii.ii.i.html

It's worth noting that Saint John approves of the phrase "in two natures" in this work.
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Re: What is the Oriental Orthodox view of Saint John Cassian?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2015, 12:53:21 PM »
Why would the use of the phrase "in two natures" be a problem. It is what is mean by any language that is always the issue.

I agree (of course). I think it's also worth noting that the book is addressed to Leo, who was a deacon in Rome at the time. It was on the basis of this book that Leo urged Pope Celestine to condemn Nestorius- the other major factor being, of course, Cyril's testimony. I point this out only because I get the impression that some think the phrase "in two natures" used at Chalcedon was simply a borrowing from Theodore of Mopsuestia or his school, when actually it was just a translation from the Tome of Leo, who in turn was taking this language from John Cassian's book against Nestorius.

Ya, I think the main problem is communication.  Because of "guilt by association", we never got a chance to study the Latin tradition of the use of the phrase.

In all intents and purposes though, St. John Cassian is venerated by us for his spiritual works and his connection to the Egyptian desert.  I am not sure his Christological works was well known.  St. Severus of Antioch's list of fathers included St. Irenaeus, St. Athanasius, the Cappadocians, St. John Chrysostom, and of course, St. Cyril.  It seems like St. John Cassian was not really heard of as much.
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