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« on: June 29, 2012, 05:19:25 PM »

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Katie Holmes filed for divorce primarily over Tom Cruise's fierce ties to Scientology, fearing that Tom would drag Suri deep into the church ... sources connected with the couple tell TMZ.

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Sources familiar with the split tell us Katie is filing for sole legal custody -- as we first reported -- specifically because she does not want Tom to control decisions relating to religion.

Case in point, Katie doesn't want her child to be a Scientologist. So, she's seeking sole custody of her child.

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 05:52:44 PM »

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Katie Holmes filed for divorce primarily over Tom Cruise's fierce ties to Scientology, fearing that Tom would drag Suri deep into the church ... sources connected with the couple tell TMZ.

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Sources familiar with the split tell us Katie is filing for sole legal custody -- as we first reported -- specifically because she does not want Tom to control decisions relating to religion.

Case in point, Katie doesn't want her child to be a Scientologist. So, she's seeking sole custody of her child.

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Translation: An immature whiny dink falls head-over-heels for a ding-a-ling; discovers source of ding-a-lingness (after the fact!) and files for divorce.  The REAL problem?  Little child stuck in middle.  Clowns to the left of her, jokers to the right...     
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 06:56:10 PM »

Clowns to the left of her, jokers to the right...     

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 07:40:55 PM »

Glad to see she had the balls to do it. She seemed very unhappy for years.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 08:09:23 PM »

And people think Orthodoxy is cultish...Orthodoxy's got nothing on Scientology.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 09:23:57 PM »

Have you ever really looked into Scientology?

It's very interesting in the weirdest way possible.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 10:42:54 PM »

Have you ever really looked into Scientology?

It's very interesting in the weirdest way possible.
For humor:
Scientology's L. Ron Hubbard: Kooky Wacky Crazy Talk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leBn2p170Sg

More seriously, you can research the relation between Scientology and Aleister Crowley.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 10:48:21 PM »


IIRC, her mother had been rather upset when Katie married Cruise. 

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 10:50:23 PM »


IIRC, her mother had been rather upset when Katie married Cruise. 


I would too. He's a wacko.

I still love him as an actor though.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 11:05:58 PM »

He's a wacko.

I still love him as an actor though.
One comment was that the movie he did with Nicole Kidman Eyes Wide Shut was related to Scientology, because of the cultish aspects: High profile people, including top celebrities who secretly engage in cult rituals. There were also stories about orgies in Scientology, but I doubt whether they were widespread.

I also saw a clip a few years ago on youtube where he was wearing jeans and talking about himself in a straightforward way. It appeared to be a scene from a movie. Does anyone remember this? I don't remember it from Vanilla Sky, but the scene reminds me of something more from that movie or from Magnolia than other movies of his I saw.

I remember thinking that it's as if he was describing his experience or personality in relation to scientology and that made it humorous. But of course I doubt he would make a critical portrayal like that knowingly in a movie.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 12:52:06 AM »

And people think Orthodoxy is cultish...Orthodoxy's got nothing on Scientology.
Who thinks Orthodoxy is cultish?  Huh
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2012, 01:00:16 AM »

I hope she returns to her Catholicism and raises their child in it. It's unfortunate that the child will have to live in a broken family, but if she can raised with Christ and not in a cult, then this is overjoyous news.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2012, 01:13:25 AM »

And people think Orthodoxy is cultish...Orthodoxy's got nothing on Scientology.
Who thinks Orthodoxy is cultish?  Huh
Plenty of Protestants.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2012, 02:43:50 AM »


IIRC, her mother had been rather upset when Katie married Cruise. 


I would too. He's a wacko.

I still love him as an actor though.

Only when a great director is pulling the strings: Kubrik, P. T. Anderson . . .
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2012, 02:47:30 AM »

He's a wacko.

I still love him as an actor though.
One comment was that the movie he did with Nicole Kidman Eyes Wide Shut was related to Scientology, because of the cultish aspects: High profile people, including top celebrities who secretly engage in cult rituals. There were also stories about orgies in Scientology, but I doubt whether they were widespread.

I also saw a clip a few years ago on youtube where he was wearing jeans and talking about himself in a straightforward way. It appeared to be a scene from a movie. Does anyone remember this? I don't remember it from Vanilla Sky, but the scene reminds me of something more from that movie or from Magnolia than other movies of his I saw.

I remember thinking that it's as if he was describing his experience or personality in relation to scientology and that made it humorous. But of course I doubt he would make a critical portrayal like that knowingly in a movie.

The Schnitzler work that movie is very closely based on, Traumnovella, predates Scientology by quite a bit. Now if you want to argue that Schnitzler and Freud influenced each other a lot and that Hubbard got a lot of his ideas from odd post-Freudians, maybe.

But neither Kubrik nor Schnitzler would have ever had anything to do with such nonsense.

Great text. Great movie. Nothing to do with Scientology though, at least in any meaningful sense. It did end that marriage. Kubrik saw to that.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2012, 03:24:56 AM »

I still think this is one of the best reads on Scientology, and especially Tom Cruise's role.   It's the New Yorker story bases on Paul Haggis' experiences.   

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2012, 02:54:02 PM »

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Sources familiar with the split tell us Katie is filing for sole legal custody -- as we first reported -- specifically because she does not want Tom to control decisions relating to religion.

Case in point, Katie doesn't want her child to be a Scientologist. So, she's seeking sole custody of her child.

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But then her kids could shoot lightning into Oprah Winfrey's hands.  (Lol youtube it)
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2012, 03:37:29 PM »

But then her kids could shoot lightning into Oprah Winfrey's hands.  (Lol youtube it)

Don't need to. Smiley


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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2012, 03:40:20 PM »

He's a wacko.

I still love him as an actor though.
One comment was that the movie he did with Nicole Kidman Eyes Wide Shut was related to Scientology, because of the cultish aspects: High profile people, including top celebrities who secretly engage in cult rituals. There were also stories about orgies in Scientology, but I doubt whether they were widespread.

I also saw a clip a few years ago on youtube where he was wearing jeans and talking about himself in a straightforward way. It appeared to be a scene from a movie. Does anyone remember this? I don't remember it from Vanilla Sky, but the scene reminds me of something more from that movie or from Magnolia than other movies of his I saw.

I remember thinking that it's as if he was describing his experience or personality in relation to scientology and that made it humorous. But of course I doubt he would make a critical portrayal like that knowingly in a movie.

The Schnitzler work that movie is very closely based on, Traumnovella, predates Scientology by quite a bit. Now if you want to argue that Schnitzler and Freud influenced each other a lot and that Hubbard got a lot of his ideas from odd post-Freudians, maybe.

But neither Kubrik nor Schnitzler would have ever had anything to do with such nonsense.

Great text. Great movie. Nothing to do with Scientology though, at least in any meaningful sense. It did end that marriage. Kubrik saw to that.
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Interesting remarks by you showing that it preceded Hubbard. Now perhaps there could be a relation between Scientology and Kubrik's decision to make the movie or use Cruise, but not necessarily. On another note, do you think the movie is based on reality, where there is some weird occult group run by the world's elites? Is it talking about Masonic leadership or something, maybe?
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2012, 03:41:07 PM »

But then her kids could shoot lightning into Oprah Winfrey's hands.  (Lol youtube it)

Don't need to. Smiley



Ironically this was the clip for where Cruise first met Katie publicly in relation to their marriage.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2012, 04:44:09 PM »

I still think this is one of the best reads on Scientology, and especially Tom Cruise's role.   It's the New Yorker story bases on Paul Haggis' experiences.   

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all



That was a long, but fascinating and very educational look at Scientology.  Thanks for posting that.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2012, 03:03:38 PM »

Plenty of Protestants.

Plenty of Orthodox too, who aren't comfortable with Orthodoxy in its more traditional forms.
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2012, 03:46:22 PM »

He's a wacko.

I still love him as an actor though.
One comment was that the movie he did with Nicole Kidman Eyes Wide Shut was related to Scientology, because of the cultish aspects: High profile people, including top celebrities who secretly engage in cult rituals. There were also stories about orgies in Scientology, but I doubt whether they were widespread.

I also saw a clip a few years ago on youtube where he was wearing jeans and talking about himself in a straightforward way. It appeared to be a scene from a movie. Does anyone remember this? I don't remember it from Vanilla Sky, but the scene reminds me of something more from that movie or from Magnolia than other movies of his I saw.

I remember thinking that it's as if he was describing his experience or personality in relation to scientology and that made it humorous. But of course I doubt he would make a critical portrayal like that knowingly in a movie.

The Schnitzler work that movie is very closely based on, Traumnovella, predates Scientology by quite a bit. Now if you want to argue that Schnitzler and Freud influenced each other a lot and that Hubbard got a lot of his ideas from odd post-Freudians, maybe.

But neither Kubrik nor Schnitzler would have ever had anything to do with such nonsense.

Great text. Great movie. Nothing to do with Scientology though, at least in any meaningful sense. It did end that marriage. Kubrik saw to that.
Orthonorm,

Interesting remarks by you showing that it preceded Hubbard. Now perhaps there could be a relation between Scientology and Kubrik's decision to make the movie or use Cruise, but not necessarily. On another note, do you think the movie is based on reality, where there is some weird occult group run by the world's elites? Is it talking about Masonic leadership or something, maybe?


Unfortunately, I could expand on this for probably a book or at least a few dozen pages.

[redacted attempt at a quick explanation of the text and film]
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2012, 04:07:27 PM »

Way to go. Fixing one sin (marrying an apostate) with another sin (divorce). Isn't she a saint? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2012, 04:10:14 PM »

Way to go. Fixing one sin (marrying an apostate) with another sin (divorce). Isn't she a saint? Roll Eyes

James, you are losing your edge here.

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Way to go. Fixing one sin (marrying an apostate) with another sin (divorce). Isn't she a saint? Roll Eyes
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Tom Cruise has admitted that Katie Holmes filed for divorce in part because of his involvement in the controversial Church of Scientology.
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During his deposition...for his $50 million defamation case against Bauer media (whose magazines claimed he abandoned his daughter Suri Cruise), the 51-year-old actor first exploded with anger when asked if Holmes left him "in part to protect Suri from Scientology."
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But when lawyers pushed the question again, asking if his ex-wife ever indicated that she left because of the religion or because she wanted to protect their daughter from Scientology, Cruise responded:

"Did she say that? That was one of the assertions, yes."
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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2013, 04:47:34 PM »

I would too. He's a wacko.

I still love him as an actor though.
In case anyone cares, this was in jest.

I hope he takes care of himself after the divorce, I remember seeing some pictures floating around once the news broke and he looked really shaken up.

I dunno he seems to me like a classy guy from what I've seen, but you know religion will make anything good turn into bad, especially if it becomes a struggle in a marriage with children.
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2013, 05:07:21 PM »

I hope he takes care of himself after the divorce, I remember seeing some pictures floating around once the news broke and he looked really shaken up.

Last I remember seeing on him was on the Graham Norton show, several months ago, promoting Oblivion. He looked really chipper, but then he's a pro.

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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2013, 06:24:11 PM »

I hope he takes care of himself after the divorce, I remember seeing some pictures floating around once the news broke and he looked really shaken up.

Last I remember seeing on him was on the Graham Norton show, several months ago, promoting Oblivion. He looked really chipper, but then he's a pro.

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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2013, 07:01:38 PM »

Point of correction to the thread title: Hasn't the divorce already been finalized? If so, why speak of the divorce as if it's still in process? IOW, Katie Holmes has already filed for divorce, so what she's really trying TO do is claim sole custody of their daughter.
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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2013, 07:35:18 PM »

Point of correction to the thread title: Hasn't the divorce already been finalized? If so, why speak of the divorce as if it's still in process? IOW, Katie Holmes has already filed for divorce, so what she's really trying TO do is claim sole custody of their daughter.

Ah, but when the thread was originally created, the divorce was still current.
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« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2013, 07:36:00 PM »

Point of correction to the thread title: Hasn't the divorce already been finalized? If so, why speak of the divorce as if it's still in process? IOW, Katie Holmes has already filed for divorce, so what she's really trying TO do is claim sole custody of their daughter.

Ah, but when the thread was originally created, the divorce was still current.
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« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2013, 09:16:57 AM »

CANTERBURY, England (RNS) Britain’s highest court ruled Wednesday (Dec. 11) that Scientology is a religion, giving a 25-year old-woman and her fiance the legal rights to marry at the church’s headquarters in London.

Louisa Hodkin appealed to the Supreme Court after a lower court ruled that services run by Scientologists were not acts of worship.

In his ruling, Supreme Court Justice Lord Roger Toulson wrote that religions should not be confined to those with belief in a supreme deity. “To do so would be a form of religious discrimination unacceptable in today’s society,” he said.
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