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The Septuagint
« on: June 29, 2012, 10:02:47 AM »
I have a huge question (huge for me anyway). Today I was reading the book of Joshua (NLT) and in the part about how Achan steals some of the loot from Jericho. Something really disturbed me because according to the NLT Achan's family are also stoned with him: "Then Joshua said to Achan, "Why have you brought trouble on us? The LORD will now bring trouble on you." And all the Israelites stoned Achan and his family and burned their bodies." (Joshua 7:25). So I decided to check the Septuagint and this is what the same verse says on the Septuagint: "And Joshua said to Achar, Why hast thou destroyed us? the Lord destroy thee as at this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones." (Joshua 7:25). So it seems the Septuagint does not give me the same moral problem as the NLT which is based on the Masoretic Text. What I want to ask is Which one is more trustworthy and accurate the Septuagint or the Masoretic Text.

If you want the link to the Septuagint its:http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Genesis/index.htm
Im sorry if i have posted this in the wrong forum, excuse my mistakes because this is the first time I have ever posted on this site.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 10:04:15 AM by Ghassanid »
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Re: The Septuagint
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 10:12:56 AM »
I have a huge question (huge for me anyway). Today I was reading the book of Joshua (NLT) and in the part about how Achan steals some of the loot from Jericho. Something really disturbed me because according to the NLT Achan's family are also stoned with him: "Then Joshua said to Achan, "Why have you brought trouble on us? The LORD will now bring trouble on you." And all the Israelites stoned Achan and his family and burned their bodies." (Joshua 7:25). So I decided to check the Septuagint and this is what the same verse says on the Septuagint: "And Joshua said to Achar, Why hast thou destroyed us? the Lord destroy thee as at this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones." (Joshua 7:25). So it seems the Septuagint does not give me the same moral problem as the NLT which is based on the Masoretic Text. What I want to ask is Which one is more trustworthy and accurate the Septuagint or the Masoretic Text.

If you want the link to the Septuagint its:http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Genesis/index.htm
Im sorry if i have posted this in the wrong forum, excuse my mistakes because this is the first time I have ever posted on this site.

We Orthodox should always refer to the LXX in preference to the MT. The LXX is the Old Testament of the Church and the version most frequently attested to by the New Testament. The MT is a post-Christian Jewish version.

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Re: The Septuagint
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 10:18:36 AM »
Yes, St. Paul uses only the Septuagint.  This is a good resource:

http://mysite.verizon.net/rgjones3/Septuagint/spindex.htm

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Re: The Septuagint
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 10:19:03 AM »
Thank you so much for your reply. I think I will abandon my NLT and just read the LXX from now on.
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Re: The Septuagint
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 10:20:37 AM »
Here is the LXX verse in the original Greek:

25 καὶ εἶπεν ᾿Ιησοῦς τῷ ῎Αχαρ· τί ὠλόθρευσας ἡμᾶς; ἐξολοθρεύσαι σε Κύριος καθὰ καὶ σήμερον. καὶ ἐλιθοβόλησαν αὐτὸν λίθοις πᾶς ᾿Ισραήλ.

The translation provided in the OP is accurate.

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Re: The Septuagint
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 10:28:42 AM »
Here is the LXX verse in the original Greek:

25 καὶ εἶπεν ᾿Ιησοῦς τῷ ῎Αχαρ· τί ὠλόθρευσας ἡμᾶς; ἐξολοθρεύσαι σε Κύριος καθὰ καὶ σήμερον. καὶ ἐλιθοβόλησαν αὐτὸν λίθοις πᾶς ᾿Ισραήλ.

The translation provided in the OP is accurate.



Do you know where I can buy a modern English translation of the LXX with the "Apocrypha"?
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Re: The Septuagint
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 10:49:44 AM »
Here is the LXX verse in the original Greek:

25 καὶ εἶπεν ᾿Ιησοῦς τῷ ῎Αχαρ· τί ὠλόθρευσας ἡμᾶς; ἐξολοθρεύσαι σε Κύριος καθὰ καὶ σήμερον. καὶ ἐλιθοβόλησαν αὐτὸν λίθοις πᾶς ᾿Ισραήλ.

The translation provided in the OP is accurate.



Do you know where I can buy a modern English translation of the LXX with the "Apocrypha"?
http://orthodoxstudybible.com/
It's missing IV Maccabees.  I don't comment here on the quality of the translation.

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Standard-Expanded-Hardcover/dp/0195283481
Avoid the New Revised.  This is the RSV.

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