Author Topic: AMAZING Divine Liturgy at the Cathedral of St. Panteleimona in Abkhazia.  (Read 1545 times)

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Offline Shiny

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Saw this from a friend on facebook, just beautiful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8N6-QxhEDs
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Very beautiful but why isnt there an iconostasis or veil in this cathedral?
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There is a door and a veil, which you can clearly see at 9:52.
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Aren't they bishopless Byzantine-Rite Protestants?
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Aren't they bishopless Byzantine-Rite Protestants?
I haven't heard that but are they not canonical Orthodox?
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Aren't they bishopless Byzantine-Rite Protestants?

The only Byzantine rite Protestants in the region are the Georgian Baptists, although they do have bishops.
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Some more info on this cathedral can be found on the Irenikon Yahoo! group
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Aren't they bishopless Byzantine-Rite Protestants?

The only Byzantine rite Protestants in the region are the Georgian Baptists, although they do have bishops.

How one can be Orthodox without a bishop?
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Aren't they bishopless Byzantine-Rite Protestants?

Are you saying this because the video is not showing a hierarchical liturgy?

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Has anyone noticed that the only communicants are little children?

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Michal is referring to the fact that the schismatic Abkhaz Orthodox Church has no bishops at the moment. I don't think that's enough to call them Protestant though.
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Michal is referring to the fact that the schismatic Abkhaz Orthodox Church has no bishops at the moment. I don't think that's enough to call them Protestant though.

I would tend to agree. The Abkhazian Church is an Orthodox schismatic group that currently lacks an episcopacy. The events of the region are complex and quite tragic. To my knowledge, they aren't in any way Protestant (in the Protestant Reformation since of the word).

But I do agree that this video is absolutely beautiful.
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Schismatics! Is outrage! I bet they have secret pews somewhere too.
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To my knowledge, they aren't in any way Protestant (in the Protestant Reformation since of the word).

Isn't not having a bishop Protestant?
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To my knowledge, they aren't in any way Protestant (in the Protestant Reformation since of the word).

Isn't not having a bishop Protestant?

No. A lot of Protestant groups have bishops.

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To my knowledge, they aren't in any way Protestant (in the Protestant Reformation since of the word).

Isn't not having a bishop Protestant?

No. A lot of Protestant groups have bishops.

Right. Lutherans, Anglicans and Calvinists all used to have bishops. Anglicans still do, and some Lutherans. Most Calvinists later took a presbyterian polity (though some went into congregational-styled groups), but a few remain in Anglican circles. Methodists also still have bishops, though their polity isn't traditionally episcopal these days. Before they joined with the United Brethren, the biggest Methodist denomination in the US was known as the "Methodist Episcopal Church."

Lacking an episcopacy is a hallmark more of the Radical Reformation, of which Baptists, Amish, Shakers, Quakers and Mennonites are the modern descendents. Though some of these employ an episcopal polity (such as the Evangelical Baptist Church of Georgia, which was mentioned above). Likewise, some denominations have split off to become non-episcopal (such as the Holiness and Pentecostal churches that come from the Methodists...though the African-American Pentecostals have a rather traditionally-structured episcopacy, more-so than the Methodists of today).

When I say "Protestant" I'm more referring to the ideas of Sola Scriptura, Faith Alone by Grace Alone and other, related concepts that are alien to the historic Christian Faith.
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