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« on: December 28, 2014, 12:44:27 PM »



Hello and merry christmas!

I paint icons. I now want to paint the Friendship Icon with Jesus and the abbot Minas in Egypt. The original icon was painted in 600 ac.

Does anybody know what the text next to abbot Minas gloria says? Which are the faded letters? Thank you very much in advance!

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2014, 12:58:48 PM »

the first line is 'ti aba' which is 'the father'.
the second is 'meen' from 'mina'
the third is 'a' from mina and then 'pi' which means 'the'.
in coptic, you don't have to write all the letters from one word on the same line!

then on the 4th line, i can see 'o' then the letter 'theeta' then perhaps 'i' and 's' (the letter that looks like a 'c' is pronouced 's')
then on the last line, there is 't' then 'o', then i think there is another faded letter after that.
i will go looking for titles of saint mina to try and figure it out
(or maybe someone who knows much more coptic will comment!)
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2014, 01:03:06 PM »

Welcome to the forum, Maladevihald!

The icon you have posted is Our Lord and St. Menas.  I cannot read the text on the icon.  However, St. Menas is a Great Martyr and Wonderworker.  He was not an abbot.  So the text most likely states St. Menas the Great Martyr and Wonderworker.

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2014, 01:30:13 PM »

welcome also!
so what we have so far is:
'ti aba mina' and then a word of 6 - 8 letters.
which is 'the father mina ......'
it is not the word for martyr.
i looked in the doxologies and did not find that word.

now we need someone who really knows what they are talking about!

also i noticed that next to our Lord Jesus, it says 'psoteer' and i thought 'saviour' in greek (used also in coptic)
was 'soteer'. not sure why there is a 'psi' letter and not the one that looks like 'c'. maybe the greek uses a 'psi'.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2014, 02:50:24 PM »

This particular icon is housed in the Louvre.  
http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/christ-and-abbot-mena

The word "savior" is next to Christ and the words "Abba (apa) Mena superior" next to St. Mena.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2014, 02:53:31 PM »

Interesting. I've never seen an icon depict Christ putting his arm around the honoured saint.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2014, 05:20:12 PM »

Hello and thanks to everyone. I am overwhelmed by your interesting and helpful responses to my question, for translations, interesting facts about the coptic language and for the link to the Louvre.

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2014, 02:12:25 AM »

Part of the words on the left seem to say "St. Mina." That's all I can read.

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