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Can anyone recommend good resources on monasticism in the Churches that rejected Chalcedon after the schism to the present day?

I would also be grateful if anyone could recommend good works on monasticism in the Assyrian Church of the East.

Thanks.

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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2012, 07:36:28 PM »
The only thing I can think of is an Oriental Orthodox compilation of sayings of Desert Fathers:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Paradise-Holy-Fathers-Volume/dp/0980517141/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1

Something else you may find interesting is a documentary on a Coptic anchorite, Fr. Lazarus:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,22450.0.html
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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 11:23:50 AM »
It just occurred to me that the London School of Orthodox Christian Studies is giving a course on monasticism:

http://www.lsocs.co.uk/orthodox_monasticism.php

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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 04:15:07 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions!

I have read that the works of Evargius survived under his own name among the Oriental Orthodox, did Origenism exist within Non-Chalcedonian monasteries? If so are there surviving records of how it was dealt with?

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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 05:23:43 PM »
Origen was never a saint among the OO's, but he was never explicitly condemned like he was by the EO's.  I think what happened was that to the extent he wrote anything harmful, it was just ignored or thrown out, while anything good would have been retained in some form.  I don't know to what extent anything he wrote was explicitly kept in his name among the OO's. 


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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 08:01:52 PM »
^I actually think I remember St. Dioscorus writing a letter to St. Shenoute condemning a Monk who held Origenist ideas. Though, I do not believe Origen was explicitly anathematized. Modern OO theologians also do cite Origen's orthodox writings. A perfect example being Fr. Tadros Yacob Malaty of the Coptic Orthodox Church.
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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2012, 08:20:47 PM »
^I actually think I remember St. Dioscorus writing a letter to St. Shenoute condemning a Monk who held Origenist ideas. Though, I do not believe Origen was explicitly anathematized. Modern OO theologians also do cite Origen's orthodox writings. A perfect example being Fr. Tadros Yacob Malaty of the Coptic Orthodox Church.

They may cite him but OO today to my knowledge are far from being Origenists. St Gregory the Theologian cites him to I believe.

It is interesting though to hear that Origenism seems to have existed within both Churches if your memory is correct.

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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2012, 08:46:45 PM »
From what I recall reading about him in the past, Origen was extremely prolific in his day, and only a small portion of what he wrote was heretical.  Most of what he wrote was perfectly Orthodox and at the time of the First Council he was widely respected.  In fact, I seem to recall that both sides at Nicea were quoting him and using his writings to support their positions. 

I think among other things, the Orthodox at Nicea were using him to support their argument that Christ is eternal.  The Arians, I think, were using him to say that Christ was subordinate to the Father.  I think Origin referred to God the Father as "The God," but he referred to Christ as only "God," or something like that.  (Of course this would all be in Greek, which I don't know.)  I'm not sure if Origin meant to make Christ subordinate to God the Father, but the way in which he referred to them led the Arians to think he did.  I guess that, coupled with other things he taught, like the preexistence of souls, led to him eventually falling out of favor.  Most of what he wrote, though, from what I understand, was perfectly fine.

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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2012, 10:54:33 AM »
Hi,

Can anyone recommend good resources on monasticism in the Churches that rejected Chalcedon after the schism to the present day?

I would also be grateful if anyone could recommend good works on monasticism in the Assyrian Church of the East.

Thanks.

Fwiw, some of the stuff written by Derwas Chitty in The Desert A City (including some stuff about Origenism) might be of interest to you. You can see some of the book at Google books if you want a preview.
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Re: Good resources on post-Schism Oriental Orthodox monasticism?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 10:55:17 AM »
There aren't really any comprehensive english-language books on Coptic monasticism let alone Oriental Orthodox monasticism as of yet. I could recommend journal articles, but they tend to be quite dry.

As far as Coptic monasticism post-Chalcedon is concerned, scholarship has been predominantly occupied with the figure of St Shenoute the Archimandrite (+465). I believe there were at least a couple of books on him last I checked. The one that comes to mind is Schroeder's, 'Monastic Bodies: Discipline and Salvation in Shenoute of Atripe'.

If you're after something more informal/non-academic and more focused on the spirit and spirituality of Coptic monasticism you might be interested in Mark Gruber's, 'Journey Back to Eden: My Life and Times Among the Desert Fathers.'
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