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« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2012, 09:25:55 PM »

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?

...*raises hand*  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2012, 09:27:42 PM »

I see many people here falling back on the legal law to defend immoral behaviors and damaging practices. I would just like to remind you all of Kohlberg's system of ethical development. People who use legal authority to justify their ethical decisions are generally seen as lower on the scale of ethical development whereas people like Gebre Menfes Kidus who make their ethical decisions regardless of whatever the legal authority says are seen as higher in ethical development. Something to think about.

We are not talking about decisions that we make.  We are talking about forcing our morals on others because we do not have the sanctity to convert them by our example - and using the force of a secular state to do it because we are too cowardly to do it ourselves. 

Bad decisions affect all people. The notion that they affect only you yourself is a postmodern atheistic lie.

Do yourself a favor and cool it with your post-modern this and that. Wait till you can give a decent account of a term before you use it.

And yes I know you have no idea what you are talking about, because I've read really smart people who actually think about this who are off their rockers.

It just makes you look like a thoughtless demagogue.

Go read Descartes and get a handle on modernity, then we might start to discuss what post-modernity could possibly mean.

See what I am talking about people with the whole teaching Descartes early?
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« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2012, 09:29:40 PM »

So, back to the OP.

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« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2012, 09:29:48 PM »

...Descartes

That senile old fart? His whole philosophy about existence is at the very best questionable.
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« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2012, 09:31:32 PM »

...Descartes

That senile old fart? His whole philosophy about existence is at the very best questionable.

LOL.

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« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2012, 09:33:09 PM »

...Descartes

That senile old fart? His whole philosophy about existence is at the very best questionable.

LOL.



The Buddhists doubt it as well...So I'm not the only one to find error in his reasoning.
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« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2012, 09:33:25 PM »

...Descartes

That senile old fart? His whole philosophy about existence is at the very best questionable.

Did you feel the need to poison his fish heads because he ripped out your eye for being insolent?
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« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2012, 09:34:57 PM »

...Descartes

That senile old fart? His whole philosophy about existence is at the very best questionable.

LOL.



The Buddhists doubt it as well...So I'm not the only one to find error in his reasoning.

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« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2012, 09:35:19 PM »

What happened to this topic? I find myself defending Gebre and attacking others when I did not even read their posts...
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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2012, 09:37:18 PM »

What happened to this topic? I find myself defending Gebre and attacking others when I did not even read their posts...

You are on fire with the Holy Ghost! It is easier to repent than to relent. Don't stop now.
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« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2012, 09:41:32 PM »

What happened to this topic? I find myself defending Gebre and attacking others when I did not even read their posts...

You are on fire with the Holy Ghost! It is easier to repent than to relent. Don't stop now.

Okay. I repent for being an idiot in this thread. You're one of the only persons here who's posts actually have a serious affect on me.
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« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2012, 10:05:44 PM »

I can't help it if I agree with him. My mother had me at fifteen; she could have easily aborted me and most people in her situation would have advised her to get an abortion. But she stayed strong and kept me. People who get abortions are quite frankly, lazy, or, at least not as tough and admirable as my mother was. Me and my mother are living proof that abortion is never the answer. I do feel very ill of people who get abortions and those who perform the practice. Would you find it immoral to kill a serial killer to protect a victim? Most likely no, so why would you find an abortionist any different from a serial killer? He makes his career off of deceiving young girls who are a few fries short of a happy meal and killing their offspring.

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

Well...In the first place I am against executing anyone. It's just a bit inconsistent to be against abortion and for capital punishment much less shooting someone as they get into their car at home or attending their Church ( both have been done btw)

There is also a logical inconsistency in you statement. If Doctor's who perform abortions are indeed just like serial killers, then the Women who get abortions would need to be prosecuted as well. If you hire a person ( a "Killer") to murder someone and they do it, you are an accessory to murder. If you think it's just fine to even the scales of justice by executing the Doctor ( or at least throwing him in a dungeon), you must therefore hold the Women just as culpable...

Therefore, there is a logical flaw in your whole way of looking at this IMHO.
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« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2012, 10:12:04 PM »

Holy cow he really wrote that? Smh

I can't find any logical reason why he's wrong. We see abortion as murder and killing to defend against murder is not sinful. Yeah that makes me feel like an extremist to say but I can't understand why.
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« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2012, 10:14:22 PM »

Holy cow he really wrote that? Smh

I can't find any logical reason why he's wrong. We see abortion as murder and killing to defend against murder is not sinful. Yeah that makes me feel like an extremist to say but I can't understand why.
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« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2012, 10:15:41 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon. 


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First, it's quite dishonest to edit my entire sentence in order to build up your straw man. I clearly said in the same sentence that killing an abortionist is not Christian. But that part of my sentence doesn't help the cariacature that some of you wish to create.

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless. I don't think it's sinful to kill anyone who is murdering innocent people. Would you think it sinful of me to shoot someone who was raping your daughter? If you think that would be sinful, then you and I have a very different view of sin my friend. (But I think I already understood that long ago.)


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« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2012, 10:16:05 PM »

Holy cow he really wrote that? Smh

I can't find any logical reason why he's wrong. We see abortion as murder and killing to defend against murder is not sinful. Yeah that makes me feel like an extremist to say but I can't understand why.
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« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2012, 10:17:42 PM »

Holy cow he really wrote that? Smh

I can't find any logical reason why he's wrong. We see abortion as murder and killing to defend against murder is not sinful. Yeah that makes me feel like an extremist to say but I can't understand why.

Because of the Commandment against killing.

When the Israelites went to war, it was if God told them to. When they did not, it was because He told them not to. God decides who lives and who dies.

Perhaps Cain deserved to die. Yet God spared him.

I don't know why God does some things and not others. It's not up to me to force His hand, though.
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 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon. 


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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion,

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First, it's quite dishonest to edit my entire sentence in order to build up your straw man. I clearly said in the same sentence that killing an abortionist is not Christian. But that part of my sentence doesn't help the cariacature that some of you wish to create.

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless. I don't think it's sinful to kill anyone who is murdering innocent people. Would you think it sinful of me to shoot someone who was raping your daughter? If you think that would be sinful, then you and I have a very different view of sin my friend. (But I think I already understood that long ago.)


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So you're not a pacifist anymore?
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« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2012, 10:20:49 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon. 


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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion,

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First, it's quite dishonest to edit my entire sentence in order to build up your straw man. I clearly said in the same sentence that killing an abortionist is not Christian. But that part of my sentence doesn't help the cariacature that some of you wish to create.

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless. I don't think it's sinful to kill anyone who is murdering innocent people. Would you think it sinful of me to shoot someone who was raping your daughter? If you think that would be sinful, then you and I have a very different view of sin my friend. (But I think I already understood that long ago.)


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Ummm.. You said it was not sinful. I think it's fine to stop right there. Plus:

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless.

Are we done now?
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« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2012, 10:22:03 PM »

I look forward to further explication of this mysterious wonderful realm of not-sinful/not-Christian.
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« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2012, 10:29:41 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon.  


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First, it's quite dishonest to edit my entire sentence in order to build up your straw man. I clearly said in the same sentence that killing an abortionist is not Christian. But that part of my sentence doesn't help the cariacature that some of you wish to create.

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless. I don't think it's sinful to kill anyone who is murdering innocent people. Would you think it sinful of me to shoot someone who was raping your daughter? If you think that would be sinful, then you and I have a very different view of sin my friend. (But I think I already understood that long ago.)


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So you're not a pacifist anymore?

Yes brother, I am. If people would only read my posts in their entirety. But I'll explain my position once again (since you are my friend  Smiley). There are many things that I believe are not necessarily sinful but yet are not the most Christ-like course of action. Divorce is one example. It is not sinful to divorce your spouse if they have committed adultery, but I believe the most Christian thing to do is to remain faithful and married to them even though they are unfaithful to you. Not easy, but the call of the Cross is never easy. So this is why I can say that killing a murderer in order to prevent murder is not sinful, but that it is also not the most Christian way. I have condemned killing abortionists in no uncertain terms, and I will continue to do so- not because I think it is necessarily sinful, but because it is not Christian. Unfortunately, I am accused on the one hand of fantasizing about murdering abortionists and on the other hand of advocating that we passively stand by as innocent people are killed. I guess if my position is deliberately mischaracterized by such ridiculous extremes, then there must be some merit to it.


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« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2012, 10:30:29 PM »

I look forward to further explication of this mysterious wonderful realm of not-sinful/not-Christian.

Explained in the previous post.


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« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2012, 10:34:09 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon. 


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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion,

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First, it's quite dishonest to edit my entire sentence in order to build up your straw man. I clearly said in the same sentence that killing an abortionist is not Christian. But that part of my sentence doesn't help the cariacature that some of you wish to create.

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless. I don't think it's sinful to kill anyone who is murdering innocent people. Would you think it sinful of me to shoot someone who was raping your daughter? If you think that would be sinful, then you and I have a very different view of sin my friend. (But I think I already understood that long ago.)


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Ummm.. You said it was not sinful. I think it's fine to stop right there. Plus:

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless.

Are we done now?

Yes, you and I are done since you're obviously not interested in an honest and productive discussion.


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 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon. 


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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion,

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First, it's quite dishonest to edit my entire sentence in order to build up your straw man. I clearly said in the same sentence that killing an abortionist is not Christian. But that part of my sentence doesn't help the cariacature that some of you wish to create.

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless. I don't think it's sinful to kill anyone who is murdering innocent people. Would you think it sinful of me to shoot someone who was raping your daughter? If you think that would be sinful, then you and I have a very different view of sin my friend. (But I think I already understood that long ago.)


Selam

Ummm.. You said it was not sinful. I think it's fine to stop right there. Plus:

But I stand by the first part of my statement nonetheless.

Are we done now?

Yes, you and I are done since you're obviously not interested in an honest and productive discussion.


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« Reply #114 on: June 25, 2012, 11:10:01 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

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« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2012, 02:24:11 AM »

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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon.

Solomon did not cut the baby.

Funny "get out" clause at the end of the first sentence. Why not go all the way and stop after the word 'opinion'? Why weasel out of it?

Does the local district attorney know that you feel this way? There are people serving time for acting on 'thoughts' like that. You could, of course, try to do something to encourage adoption, but that doesn't foster your apparently entertaining fantasy of killing doctors. It sucks when you have to forgive people and find something else to do.

Why don't you care about saving the 'baby' of the doctor's mother?

I could point out that God spared Cain, and Jesus forgave the people who crucified Him, but you probably think God was wrong then too.


Like I said, some people love to make straw man caricatures of my position. That's easier than actually discussing the issue in a reasonable manner, although it's also quite cowardly. Your slanderous accusations and deliberate misrepresentation of my views does not deserve a response. Honest people on this forum know and understand that I desire the salvation of all people, pedophiles and abortionists included. They may disagree with me about pacifism, but they are honest enough to realize that I mourn the suffering and death of anyone created in God's holy image. So disagree with me all you want, but I would ask you to excercise the integrity not to slander me in such a dishonest manner. Thank you.


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« Reply #116 on: June 26, 2012, 11:49:23 AM »

I am sorry, but this thread is wrong on more levels than Sandusky and a young boy riding an elevator.
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« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2012, 03:27:10 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.
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« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2012, 03:51:40 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.
You are so full of it, orthonorm.
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« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2012, 03:57:02 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.
You are so full of it, orthonorm.

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« Reply #120 on: June 26, 2012, 04:05:15 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

This is a time for us all to pray, not pass around collective high-fives.

So a criminal is punished? Is that a good thing? Jerry Sandusky is a human being like the rest of us, and while he made a despicable mistake a million times over, we know that his own soul is equally being punished with guilt.  Do we honestly believe that God has no power to confront the most heinously guilty with guilt and remorse and fear of eternal retribution? Murderers, rapists, child molesters, all of these folks sometime vaunt and brag with swagger as if they weren't in anyway remorseful, but this may just be theatrics.  God knows the heart, even of the guilty, if anything especially of them.  Why else would Christ as us to visit those in prison, and further, say when we neglect these we neglect him?

Further, we need to pray for the victims, whose pain will be as eternal as the guilt as those who committed the crime.  The pain is real, and it stings the core of peoples' very being for ages.  Many folks grapple with a lack of Faith in humanity, in God, in themselves, because of these experiences.  They need Grace all the more. 

What also of the community at large? These kinds of crimes wreak havoc in the community, filling it with a blend of shame and doubt, fear and anxiety, guilt and anger. 

In other words, just arresting the bad guy does not solve the problem, if anything it accentuates the complexity of the matter.  We should be in prayer about these issues, constantly, fervently, without ceasing.

If we ever have anything to say, even about guys like Sandusky, it should be "Lord Have His mercy."

What did the Archangel Michael say to Satan himself?  Not a scathing condemnation (which surely Satan deserves/deserved) but rather "May the Lord rebuke you."

Powerful sentiments we should emulate to cool the fears and anger of our own hearts.

stay blessed,
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« Reply #121 on: June 26, 2012, 04:17:45 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.

Yeah, and I love cymbal-monkeys, as much as one could love a cymbal-monkey.  Why would you take what I wrote as an insult?  Unless of course you have some deep-seated prejudice against cymbal-monkeys?
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« Reply #122 on: June 26, 2012, 04:36:18 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

This is a time for us all to pray, not pass around collective high-fives.

So a criminal is punished? Is that a good thing? Jerry Sandusky is a human being like the rest of us, and while he made a despicable mistake a million times over, we know that his own soul is equally being punished with guilt.  Do we honestly believe that God has no power to confront the most heinously guilty with guilt and remorse and fear of eternal retribution? Murderers, rapists, child molesters, all of these folks sometime vaunt and brag with swagger as if they weren't in anyway remorseful, but this may just be theatrics.  God knows the heart, even of the guilty, if anything especially of them.  Why else would Christ as us to visit those in prison, and further, say when we neglect these we neglect him?

Further, we need to pray for the victims, whose pain will be as eternal as the guilt as those who committed the crime.  The pain is real, and it stings the core of peoples' very being for ages.  Many folks grapple with a lack of Faith in humanity, in God, in themselves, because of these experiences.  They need Grace all the more. 

What also of the community at large? These kinds of crimes wreak havoc in the community, filling it with a blend of shame and doubt, fear and anxiety, guilt and anger. 

In other words, just arresting the bad guy does not solve the problem, if anything it accentuates the complexity of the matter.  We should be in prayer about these issues, constantly, fervently, without ceasing.

If we ever have anything to say, even about guys like Sandusky, it should be "Lord Have His mercy."

What did the Archangel Michael say to Satan himself?  Not a scathing condemnation (which surely Satan deserves/deserved) but rather "May the Lord rebuke you."

Powerful sentiments we should emulate to cool the fears and anger of our own hearts.

stay blessed,
habte selassie

You seem to be saying that Sandusky's guilt, which you have not proved he feels since he professes to be not guilty, is enough. God will deal with him, but human justice cannot be ignored. After all, God instituted that, too. He will be sent to prison primarily so that he does not repeat his crimes. The alternative is to tie a millstone around his neck and throw him into the sea, but I don't see you arguing for that here.
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« Reply #123 on: June 26, 2012, 04:44:55 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.

Yeah, and I love cymbal-monkeys, as much as one could love a cymbal-monkey.  Why would you take what I wrote as an insult?  Unless of course you have some deep-seated prejudice against cymbal-monkeys?

They are rather frightening frankly. Monkey Shines anyone? Reducing a person a wind up toy just sounded a little insulting, but who am I to judge the hearts of others? (Exactly the right person, that is who.)

I just wanted to be clear, I enjoy her blow ups and the shrapnel they produce. And that biro does confound the hell out of me and that is a good thing.

I'll leave you to your monkey, alpaca, and llama fetishes. Are we still in the pr0n thread?
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I just wanted to be clear, I enjoy her blow ups and the shrapnel they produce. And that biro does confound the hell out of me and that is a good thing.

 Are we still in the pr0n thread?

It looks like it.  Biro has a blow up?  Does she know this and approve, or did you make one without her knowledge?  This thread confounds me.  I need a drink.
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I just wanted to be clear, I enjoy her blow ups and the shrapnel they produce. And that biro does confound the hell out of me and that is a good thing.

 Are we still in the pr0n thread?

It looks like it.  Biro has a blow up?  Does she know this and approve, or did you make one without her knowledge?  This thread confounds me.  I need a drink.

Nice. You avatar BTW is endlessly lulz.
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« Reply #126 on: June 26, 2012, 05:58:59 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


You seem to be saying that Sandusky's guilt, which you have not proved he feels since he professes to be not guilty, is enough. God will deal with him, but human justice cannot be ignored. After all, God instituted that, too. He will be sent to prison primarily so that he does not repeat his crimes. The alternative is to tie a millstone around his neck and throw him into the sea, but I don't see you arguing for that here.

If you feel like casting that stone go ahead, but the same guilt will find you in time.  Vengeance is a one-way street, it is all consuming.  I was reading a good novel today, it made this very adept point.

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The Thief of Always by Clive Barker

The Devil, as Peter warned us, is out like a ravenous lion, seeking to devour who he can by his endless appetite of judgement, hostility, and envy.  The Evil in ourselves is not different.  The Devil wants to drag us all down with him, so we can all be miserable together.  We are tempted by his Evil, indeed by our own evil, out of the same appetite.  Why did Jerry Sandusky do this for so long? In vain attempts to quench his own appetite, and in the end, he himself was consumed, as we all shall be in time.

On a personal  note, I have been all-consumed buy vengeance in my life. I have calculated and choreographed revenge across years of time.  It benefits nothing.  It only feeds the appetite for sin all the more with your own blood.  Evil likes the taste of blood, it could care less whose, guilty or innocent, that of other peoples or our own.

Justice? God is about justice, what can we do that can be rightfully called just, if we are all guilty of the same evils in different guises? To condemn Sandusky is to be just as evil as he is.  I am not saying let Sandusky walk a free man, but lets not forget about God in all our hoopla about punishment this and vendetta that..  God is the head pay-master of all matters.  If God can find it in His own heart to allow even foul and undeserving creatures like Sandusky another moment  of life, perhaps we can learn from this example.  Further, if an appetite for sin brought down Sandusky and hurt so many people, maybe we should carefully mind our own appetites for vengeance.

stay blessed,
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« Reply #127 on: June 27, 2012, 01:40:25 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


You seem to be saying that Sandusky's guilt, which you have not proved he feels since he professes to be not guilty, is enough. God will deal with him, but human justice cannot be ignored. After all, God instituted that, too. He will be sent to prison primarily so that he does not repeat his crimes. The alternative is to tie a millstone around his neck and throw him into the sea, but I don't see you arguing for that here.

If you feel like casting that stone go ahead, but the same guilt will find you in time.  Vengeance is a one-way street, it is all consuming.  I was reading a good novel today, it made this very adept point.

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" If it had not wanted their flesh so badly, he thought, it wouldn't have come after them at such speed, and brought this pain and humiliation upon itself.  There was a lesson there, if he could only remember it. EVIL, HOWEVER POWERFUL IT SEEMED, COULD BE UNDONE BY ITS OWN APPETITE."
The Thief of Always by Clive Barker

The Devil, as Peter warned us, is out like a ravenous lion, seeking to devour who he can by his endless appetite of judgement, hostility, and envy.  The Evil in ourselves is not different.  The Devil wants to drag us all down with him, so we can all be miserable together.  We are tempted by his Evil, indeed by our own evil, out of the same appetite.  Why did Jerry Sandusky do this for so long? In vain attempts to quench his own appetite, and in the end, he himself was consumed, as we all shall be in time.

On a personal  note, I have been all-consumed buy vengeance in my life. I have calculated and choreographed revenge across years of time.  It benefits nothing.  It only feeds the appetite for sin all the more with your own blood.  Evil likes the taste of blood, it could care less whose, guilty or innocent, that of other peoples or our own.

Justice? God is about justice, what can we do that can be rightfully called just, if we are all guilty of the same evils in different guises? To condemn Sandusky is to be just as evil as he is.  I am not saying let Sandusky walk a free man, but lets not forget about God in all our hoopla about punishment this and vendetta that..  God is the head pay-master of all matters.  If God can find it in His own heart to allow even foul and undeserving creatures like Sandusky another moment  of life, perhaps we can learn from this example.  Further, if an appetite for sin brought down Sandusky and hurt so many people, maybe we should carefully mind our own appetites for vengeance.

stay blessed,
habte selassie


We should always let God perform the justice.  I say we throw him in a tank of sharks.  God stops the mouths of lions when someone is holy or innocent, but He sends she-bears to rip up disrespectful brats.

I reckon you are right.  We should stop judging people and just let critters do it for us.
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« Reply #128 on: June 27, 2012, 01:43:40 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.

Yeah, and I love cymbal-monkeys, as much as one could love a cymbal-monkey.  Why would you take what I wrote as an insult?  Unless of course you have some deep-seated prejudice against cymbal-monkeys?

They are rather frightening frankly. Monkey Shines anyone? Reducing a person a wind up toy just sounded a little insulting, but who am I to judge the hearts of others? (Exactly the right person, that is who.)

I just wanted to be clear, I enjoy her blow ups and the shrapnel they produce. And that biro does confound the hell out of me and that is a good thing.

I'll leave you to your monkey, alpaca, and llama fetishes. Are we still in the pr0n thread?

No, this is not the pr0n thread.  If it were I'd tell you what I like to do with real cymbal monkeys in the privacy of my own home. 

As for biro's explosions, they are grating.   Roll Eyes  Except when a skilled troll like Peter comes in and turns them into an artistic masterpiece.  Perhaps you should give it a try sometimes.  Not even I can get as good a reaction PtA does.  Perhaps you could illicit one that would really make me laugh?
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« Reply #129 on: June 27, 2012, 02:16:51 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.

Yeah, and I love cymbal-monkeys, as much as one could love a cymbal-monkey.  Why would you take what I wrote as an insult?  Unless of course you have some deep-seated prejudice against cymbal-monkeys?

Great idea ! I have a neighbor with a nasty mole on her nose. I think she's a witch. Lets throw her into a lake and see if God allows her to float so we can tell if she is guilty or not.
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« Reply #130 on: June 27, 2012, 02:49:04 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?





I like it best when PtA comes in and winds the cymbal-monkey even further.  That is all kinds of lulz.

Hey, now. I love biro. I really mean I like her stuff. I like her chutzpah. Never would I make such comments about the most inscrutable poster on the internet I have ever encountered.

And I mean in this in a plainly naive and stupidly genuine manner without the need for a [redacted] to express my feelings.

Yeah, and I love cymbal-monkeys, as much as one could love a cymbal-monkey.  Why would you take what I wrote as an insult?  Unless of course you have some deep-seated prejudice against cymbal-monkeys?

Great idea ! I have a neighbor with a nasty mole on her nose. I think she's a witch. Lets throw her into a lake and see if God allows her to float so we can tell if she is guilty or not.

I'm not sure if you are arguing against my cymbal monkey comment (in which case I think you are taking this way too far) or the shark one.  But FWIW, I would NEVER in a million years toss some old crone into a lake, especially a non-shark infested lake.  I am talking about convicted chimos and such.

Besides, God helps those who help themselves.  If your neighbor can't swim in a non-shark infested lake then good riddance.
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« Reply #131 on: June 27, 2012, 02:53:28 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


You seem to be saying that Sandusky's guilt, which you have not proved he feels since he professes to be not guilty, is enough. God will deal with him, but human justice cannot be ignored. After all, God instituted that, too. He will be sent to prison primarily so that he does not repeat his crimes. The alternative is to tie a millstone around his neck and throw him into the sea, but I don't see you arguing for that here.

If you feel like casting that stone go ahead, but the same guilt will find you in time.  Vengeance is a one-way street, it is all consuming.  I was reading a good novel today, it made this very adept point.

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" If it had not wanted their flesh so badly, he thought, it wouldn't have come after them at such speed, and brought this pain and humiliation upon itself.  There was a lesson there, if he could only remember it. EVIL, HOWEVER POWERFUL IT SEEMED, COULD BE UNDONE BY ITS OWN APPETITE."
The Thief of Always by Clive Barker

The Devil, as Peter warned us, is out like a ravenous lion, seeking to devour who he can by his endless appetite of judgement, hostility, and envy.  The Evil in ourselves is not different.  The Devil wants to drag us all down with him, so we can all be miserable together.  We are tempted by his Evil, indeed by our own evil, out of the same appetite.  Why did Jerry Sandusky do this for so long? In vain attempts to quench his own appetite, and in the end, he himself was consumed, as we all shall be in time.

On a personal  note, I have been all-consumed buy vengeance in my life. I have calculated and choreographed revenge across years of time.  It benefits nothing.  It only feeds the appetite for sin all the more with your own blood.  Evil likes the taste of blood, it could care less whose, guilty or innocent, that of other peoples or our own.

Justice? God is about justice, what can we do that can be rightfully called just, if we are all guilty of the same evils in different guises? To condemn Sandusky is to be just as evil as he is.  I am not saying let Sandusky walk a free man, but lets not forget about God in all our hoopla about punishment this and vendetta that..  God is the head pay-master of all matters.  If God can find it in His own heart to allow even foul and undeserving creatures like Sandusky another moment  of life, perhaps we can learn from this example.  Further, if an appetite for sin brought down Sandusky and hurt so many people, maybe we should carefully mind our own appetites for vengeance.

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Just because someone feels that a perpetrator of a crime should go to prison does not mean he's consumed by vengeance or condemnation. Do you think he should be left alone to commit more crimes against children? Where does the eternal hand-wringing end?
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« Reply #132 on: June 27, 2012, 02:57:21 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!



Just because someone feels that a perpetrator of a crime should go to prison does not mean he's consumed by vengeance or condemnation. Do you think he should be left alone to commit more crimes against children? Where does the eternal hand-wringing end?

Just punishment is one thing, but maybe you should read this thread again, but I dare say it was devolving to lynch mob mentalities..

Also folks also should be careful not to insert themselves as the intended subject of ANY of my posts unless I drop specific names.  I rarely decide to address any individual opinions here to attack the individuals, more so, I see the vibe and atmosphere of a thread and speak on that.  In that regard, this thread was hectic and needed a bit of coolness on the fire.  It is not personal to anyone here, just about the topic, not necessarily the opinions of any of the specific posters.

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« Reply #133 on: June 27, 2012, 03:16:04 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!



Just because someone feels that a perpetrator of a crime should go to prison does not mean he's consumed by vengeance or condemnation. Do you think he should be left alone to commit more crimes against children? Where does the eternal hand-wringing end?

Just punishment is one thing, but maybe you should read this thread again, but I dare say it was devolving to lynch mob mentalities..

Also folks also should be careful not to insert themselves as the intended subject of ANY of my posts unless I drop specific names.  I rarely decide to address any individual opinions here to attack the individuals, more so, I see the vibe and atmosphere of a thread and speak on that.  In that regard, this thread was hectic and needed a bit of coolness on the fire.  It is not personal to anyone here, just about the topic, not necessarily the opinions of any of the specific posters.

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The problem is, if you attack the "vibe" of the thread anyone and everyone can feel personally attacked as they have added to the "vibe".
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« Reply #134 on: June 27, 2012, 03:20:30 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!




Just because someone feels that a perpetrator of a crime should go to prison does not mean he's consumed by vengeance or condemnation. Do you think he should be left alone to commit more crimes against children? Where does the eternal hand-wringing end?

Just punishment is one thing, but maybe you should read this thread again, but I dare say it was devolving to lynch mob mentalities..

Also folks also should be careful not to insert themselves as the intended subject of ANY of my posts unless I drop specific names.  I rarely decide to address any individual opinions here to attack the individuals, more so, I see the vibe and atmosphere of a thread and speak on that.  In that regard, this thread was hectic and needed a bit of coolness on the fire.  It is not personal to anyone here, just about the topic, not necessarily the opinions of any of the specific posters.

stay blessed,
habte selassie

The problem is, if you attack the "vibe" of the thread anyone and everyone can feel personally attacked as they have added to the "vibe".

Hence the disclosure.  Also, perhaps "attack" is not my best choice of words, do my two responses on this thread really come across as hostile or attacking? I hope not, if so I need to edit, because that was not my intentions.  I did want to "attack" the fire-and-brimstone that was getting caustically tossed around back and forth on this thread, and I wanted to drive home a point of love.  So if I failed, I apologize, and if anyone here feels personally attacked, I apologize for that too.

stay blessed,
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