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« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2012, 11:07:43 PM »

Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

I have to agree with Marc here.  While comedians and pornographers are not the same thing (although with some modern "comedy", it is hard to tell), they are both protected by the same Amendment of the Constitution.  So are Priests.  We are not a Theocracy, so get over it.  If you don't like that then move to Iran.  Once you start determining what is protected speech by your own morals, you have NO reason to cry when the majority, who may find your speech spreading the Gospel offensive, decide to silence you.  Nobody forces you to watch porn.  And as for much of what you have listed above, I can find cases where every one of those can be applied to religion.  Maybe we should ban religion.  It has caused FAR more destruction and bloodshed than any pornography.

Relax, friend.  You're expending unnecessary energy as no one has yet argued for the abolition of pornography (although in a perfect world...).  But I would like for you to reconsider your argument that religion has caused more problems than pornography based on some demonstrable facts.  Save for Islam perhaps, Christianity nor Judaism advocates violence.  That guilt belongs solely to individuals using religion to advance their personal desires.  Christianity is responsible for charities, education, and more importantly salvation.  Christianity raises people and cultures up; transforming them completely.  I submit that pornography, though protected, has absolutely zero socially redeeming value.  It takes a beautiful gift from God and completely transforms it into something cruel and base.  What worries me, in addition to what I listed above, is that pornographers have been successful in getting their products into the wrong age-appropriate hands.  Rather than argue that everything should be "protected speech" simply out of fear that Christianity might lose it's protection, we should be trying to bring pornographers to Christ.  And let me remind you, though society might try to stamp out Christianity we both know that nothing, not even the gates of Hell, will prevail in that endeavor. 

I cannot even begin to start arguing with such an ignorance of history . . . as much as I would really like to.  To reconsider my position and agree with you would only mean that we would both be wrong.  Of course, TRUE Christianity would have none of these effects.  However, that is not what I wrote.  I did not even mention so-called Christianity.  I wrote RELIGION.  Even leaving Islam aside, I would think that the Inquisition killed more people than Porn.  Then we have the 30 years war.  There are the battles between Protestant and RC in Ireland.  Child abuse?  Is there any organization that did a better job of systematic child molestation than the Roman Catholic Church?  And what about the extinction of the native populations of North and South America?  Care to read what the Methodists did to the Aleuts after the US purchased Alaska?  The victims of these actions can be numbered with some research.  Do you have any numbers for the victims of porn?  Do they come close to even one of the events that I have mentioned?  My guess is no.

Now, in case one thinks that this an argument for porn and against religion, it is not.  In a perfect world, I would like to see no porn and everyone be TRUE Christians.  But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.
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« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2012, 11:11:45 PM »

I'm all for Free Speech to a point.  I'm just saddened when Christians use this argument as a means to defend evangelizing.  Did St. Paul try to change the law so that he could preach without fear?  I think we've grown accustomed to too much comfort as Christians in America.  It seems that the idea of martyrdom is too disturbing an idea to our comfortable climate-controlled disposable lives.  I never thought I'd see the day when Christians would defend pornography.

Even Paul cautioned people not to needlessly seek martyrdom.  And I don't see any Christians defending pornography.  I see people here defending free speech as institutionalized in our Constitution.  Unfortunately, I have seen too much of the day where people abandon rational argument and result to emotional BS like your last statement when their arguments fail.
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« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2012, 11:17:18 PM »

Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

 Nobody forces you to watch porn.


Countless children are forced to watch porn every day my friend. Why don't we prioritize protecting their freedom? I'm all for individual liberties, including the freedom to volitionally engage in sinful behavior; but when one ostensible individual liberty infringes upon the safety and well being of others, then it reveals itself to be not a liberty but a license of destruction and abuse.


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Yes, the children FORCED to watch porn everyday are probably countless only because so few exist and they are so unknown that no accurate account can be made.  If it could be PROVEN that children are FORCED to watch porn in this country, those forcing them would be arrested under current statutes present in virtually all of our States.  ALLOWING something to exist is often protected by law.  FORCING one to participate in things is very often illegal.  They are really two separate concepts.
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« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2012, 11:20:28 PM »

I'm all for Free Speech to a point.  I'm just saddened when Christians use this argument as a means to defend evangelizing.  Did St. Paul try to change the law so that he could preach without fear?  I think we've grown accustomed to too much comfort as Christians in America.  It seems that the idea of martyrdom is too disturbing an idea to our comfortable climate-controlled disposable lives.  I never thought I'd see the day when Christians would defend pornography.


Amen brother. I actually believe that "free speech" is an idol of secularism which taken to its logical conclusion can only lead to anarchy and chaos.


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How can there be virtue without choice?  Is virtue something that is legislated or proclaimed by judicial fiat?  A free society and its freedoms exist so that one may choose the good.  I grant that most people, including myself, would abuse that, but restrictions and threats to make people obedient is only a negative reaction in fear of punishment rather than a joyful embrace of right.

Agreed.  It would be much better if all of the "good Christians" would lead the kind of life that would make the "sinners" out there want to be good Christians rather than try to use a secular government to ban everything that they do not like because their example is insufficient to convert those that do these things.
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« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2012, 11:43:27 PM »

What are your thoughts on how far the Sandusky Scandal goes?

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Jerry Sandusky has been convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse less than eight months after Penn State and the world were rocked with the revelations that the former football coach had sexually assaulted numerous children.

Sadly justice may have only been partially served with the corporate controlled media and most of the world ignoring the initial claims that Sandusky was running a child sex ring through his foundation, Second Mile.
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« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2012, 11:52:58 PM »

I hope Sandusky comes to repentence while in prison.
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2012, 12:02:33 AM »

I hope Sandusky comes to repentence while in prison.
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2012, 01:32:16 AM »

Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

 Nobody forces you to watch porn.


Countless children are forced to watch porn every day my friend. Why don't we prioritize protecting their freedom? I'm all for individual liberties, including the freedom to volitionally engage in sinful behavior; but when one ostensible individual liberty infringes upon the safety and well being of others, then it reveals itself to be not a liberty but a license of destruction and abuse.


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Yes, the children FORCED to watch porn everyday are probably countless only because so few exist and they are so unknown that no accurate account can be made.  If it could be PROVEN that children are FORCED to watch porn in this country, those forcing them would be arrested under current statutes present in virtually all of our States.  ALLOWING something to exist is often protected by law.  FORCING one to participate in things is very often illegal.  They are really two separate concepts.


To assert that not many children are affected by being subjected to pornography is a very ignorant assertion my friend. The problem with many of these secular "freedoms" is that there is no way to monitor or control how these "freedoms" are used to harm others. Children living in an environment where they are routinely exposed to pornography is equivalent to them being forced to look at it since they have no choice in the matter. This is quite common. And while I cannot prove it, I am afraid that there are more pedophiles out there than we realize. Why not put the welfare of children before our own freedom to pursue licentious depravities?


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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2012, 01:32:59 AM »

I hope Sandusky comes to repentence while in prison.
^Exactly  Smiley


Amen.



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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2012, 01:43:41 AM »

I'm all for Free Speech to a point.  I'm just saddened when Christians use this argument as a means to defend evangelizing.  Did St. Paul try to change the law so that he could preach without fear?  I think we've grown accustomed to too much comfort as Christians in America.  It seems that the idea of martyrdom is too disturbing an idea to our comfortable climate-controlled disposable lives.  I never thought I'd see the day when Christians would defend pornography.


Amen brother. I actually believe that "free speech" is an idol of secularism which taken to its logical conclusion can only lead to anarchy and chaos.


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How can there be virtue without choice?  Is virtue something that is legislated or proclaimed by judicial fiat?  A free society and its freedoms exist so that one may choose the good.  I grant that most people, including myself, would abuse that, but restrictions and threats to make people obedient is only a negative reaction in fear of punishment rather than a joyful embrace of right.


People will always have freedom of choice. No legislation can negate free will. But the secularists have done a masterful job of defending things like abortion and pornography as protecting human volition. But the law cannot thwart free will. People can always excercise their freedom to break the law. Women had abortions before it was legal, pornographers printed porn before it was legal, people drank alcohol during prohibition, etc. So this idea that we have to protect anything and everything in the name of "free speech" and "freedom of choice" is absurd. Those who are truly concerned that legislation infringes upon human volition should advocate the abolition of all laws altogether, because every law is essentially a restraint or a parameter on freedom.


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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2012, 01:51:47 AM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.


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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2012, 02:02:33 AM »

I moved from that area a year and a half ago.  This verdict fills me with joy.  Watching this whole ugly mess unfold has been very disturbing for me.  My son still lives in State College.  I live in fear that he ever decide to attend that school.  This Sandusky affair is just a tiny peek into the ugliness that goes on at that school.  And that initial riot when Paterno was suspended?  Not an unusual occurrence at all.  The students rioted 3 times in the 4 years I lived out there--thousands of out-of-control students tearing up in the streets, overturning cars, bringing down lamp posts--always over football.  I worked overnight in Giant grocery store out there, and the students routinely (almost nightly) came in drunk, high, covered in vomit, blood, urine.  A frequent complaint concerns students urinating on people's houses and right in the doorway of businesses, and the smell it creates.  

Their notoriety as the number one party school in the country is unfortunately well-earned, and rather than see that distinction as the badge of shame that it truly is, they actually brag about it.  Over and above regular college partying.  Way.  Sorry if this all sounds like griping or trolling, but I've got a real bad taste in my mouth for that school.  It's both the gift and the curse of State College.  By virtue of PSU, that area is one of the most richly diverse areas I've ever lived in or even heard about.  It was one of the few things that made living within a mile and a half of that university a pleasure.  The school itself is an embarrassment.  I've lived in close proximity to OSU, YSU, UB, ESU, and Canisius.  There's no comparison.  

The cabal-istic way this tragedy was covered up from the start seems to be the general way they deal with stuff like this.  
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2012, 02:05:00 AM »

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Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

I couldn't have said it better.  In that kind of world--where deviance is tolerated--makes hostages of everyone else.  There's no freedom to be found in a society like that.  
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If it is not odd enough that Mr. Spanier was complicit in not reporting the Sandusky rape to the police, Mr. Spanier has a direct link to the sordid “Franklin Scandal” in Omaha, Nebraska (child kidnaping for sexual abuse and trafficking scandal). Looking at Mr. Spanier’s biography, one can easily see that he served as Chancellor at University of Nebraska-Lincoln from 1991 to 1995 right towards the end of the Franklin scandal.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2810206
It seems like alot of news about this.
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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2012, 09:47:26 AM »

I hope Sandusky comes to repentence while in prison.
^Exactly  Smiley

There is an interesting thing about some pedophiles in Prison. They will tell you straight up that they know how evil this is. They will tell you that it is a compulsion that they cant control and that you better keep them locked up because if let free they are sure they would do it again.
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« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2012, 09:56:57 AM »

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Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

I couldn't have said it better.  In that kind of world--where deviance is tolerated--makes hostages of everyone else.  There's no freedom to be found in a society like that.  

ya..How very noble.. However when religious folks start talking about throwing people into Prison based on points of religious morality, my teeth start to itch.

I think I'll stick with the Constitution.

I've never personally been forced to watch porn, but the idea  would have had some appeal at certain points in my life.
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 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?
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« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2012, 10:52:11 AM »

I hope Sandusky comes to repentence while in prison.
^Exactly  Smiley

There is an interesting thing about some pedophiles in Prison. They will tell you straight up that they know how evil this is. They will tell you that it is a compulsion that they cant control and that you better keep them locked up because if let free they are sure they would do it again.
I know and that's sad. Do you think if prisons were better at rehabilitation maybe these people won't do it again?
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« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2012, 11:49:45 AM »

I hope Sandusky comes to repentence while in prison.
^Exactly  Smiley

There is an interesting thing about some pedophiles in Prison. They will tell you straight up that they know how evil this is. They will tell you that it is a compulsion that they cant control and that you better keep them locked up because if let free they are sure they would do it again.
I know and that's sad. Do you think if prisons were better at rehabilitation maybe these people won't do it again?

There are special programs in many facilities to treat sex offenders. Lot's of therapy and even
"Castration" drugs that take they led out of your pencil.. It's a very tough thing to treat as I understand it.
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« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2012, 11:55:55 AM »

Sometimes a man needs some alone time with his computer in his Den.

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BOOM BOOM BOOM

Police: "We know you're in there and we know what you are doing. Come out with your hands up"

Police: "Both hands'

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I cannot even begin to start arguing with such an ignorance of history
I stand by my comments.  Molesting priests, the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the political machinations of the 30 years war, etc... Horrible as these are, they are the machinations of people who happened to be Christians; Christians and Christianity are two different things.  If you ban RELIGION, you ban Christianity.   
 
But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.
This is a defeatist mentality and not becoming of a Christian man.  The same rights that allow pornographers to print their trash also gives me the rights to work for legislation to curb them.  I'm not advocating jail, dungeons, iron maidens or anything else to halt their freedoms; but as a Christian I cannot be comfortable with my Bible while this trash is allowed to ruin lives.  So what to do?  As I said before, enter new legislation and pray.  But being complacent with sin just so I can have a Bible is antithetical to Christianity when the Bible admonishes me to do something about the sin in the world. 
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« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2012, 12:34:05 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

I have no problem with a little violence as long as no one is killed.  Jesus had no problem with giving the money changers a beat down and breaking their tables.  Turning a blind eye or making deals is not the way of a Christian.
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« Reply #67 on: June 25, 2012, 01:00:42 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.

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« Reply #68 on: June 25, 2012, 01:14:28 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

I have no problem with a little violence as long as no one is killed.  

I was specifically addressing Gebre's outspoken advocacy of pacifism in other places. It seems exceptions occur when we are A. cracking down on pornogrophers to protect our kids; and B. beating our kids.
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« Reply #69 on: June 25, 2012, 01:35:36 PM »

And we find ourselves back to my unintelligible post about the fetishizing of children as the super big power which determines our discussion of morality especially sexual morality.

I'll spare Gebre the use of his particular fetish and denial as a case study of my point.
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« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2012, 01:53:34 PM »

Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

 Nobody forces you to watch porn.


Countless children are forced to watch porn every day my friend. Why don't we prioritize protecting their freedom? I'm all for individual liberties, including the freedom to volitionally engage in sinful behavior; but when one ostensible individual liberty infringes upon the safety and well being of others, then it reveals itself to be not a liberty but a license of destruction and abuse.


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Yes, the children FORCED to watch porn everyday are probably countless only because so few exist and they are so unknown that no accurate account can be made.  If it could be PROVEN that children are FORCED to watch porn in this country, those forcing them would be arrested under current statutes present in virtually all of our States.  ALLOWING something to exist is often protected by law.  FORCING one to participate in things is very often illegal.  They are really two separate concepts.


To assert that not many children are affected by being subjected to pornography is a very ignorant assertion my friend. The problem with many of these secular "freedoms" is that there is no way to monitor or control how these "freedoms" are used to harm others. Children living in an environment where they are routinely exposed to pornography is equivalent to them being forced to look at it since they have no choice in the matter. This is quite common. And while I cannot prove it, I am afraid that there are more pedophiles out there than we realize. Why not put the welfare of children before our own freedom to pursue licentious depravities? Conjecture

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« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2012, 01:53:34 PM »

I hope Sandusky comes to repentence while in prison.
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There is an interesting thing about some pedophiles in Prison. They will tell you straight up that they know how evil this is. They will tell you that it is a compulsion that they cant control and that you better keep them locked up because if let free they are sure they would do it again.
I know and that's sad. Do you think if prisons were better at rehabilitation maybe these people won't do it again?

It isn't really the problem of prisons, necessarily.  Rather, there would need to be a serious effort on the part of the pedophile and a psychologist/psychiatrist/other psychoanalyst, to reduce their risk of offending.  In that regard, the prison probably could make for a better opportunity, but I imagine there isn't a great deal of interest in state legislators for spending more money to help pedophiles.
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« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2012, 02:33:56 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Most Christians don't need to perpetrate violence to deal with society's ills.  There are always plenty of Christians willing to perpetrate violence for them so they don't have to.  

BTW, when you come to power, Gebre, please give me a call and we can deal with the abortionists and paedophiles.  I will keep it nice and quiet so everyone will have plausible deniability.  They will even be given fair trials...right before they're "sentenced".




Besides, the whole Pr0n debate is senseless.  If we'd just legalize prostitution the porn addiction would end.

Failing that we could just make marriage a more rational option.  Do it younger and remove the cash and prizes from divorce settlements.  But ha, I'm just making funny talk here.  Changing society would take too much effort.  Just stick with the prostitutes.  
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« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2012, 04:18:08 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Most Christians don't need to perpetrate violence to deal with society's ills.  There are always plenty of Christians willing to perpetrate violence for them so they don't have to.  

BTW, when you come to power, Gebre, please give me a call and we can deal with the abortionists and paedophiles.  I will keep it nice and quiet so everyone will have plausible deniability.  They will even be given fair trials...right before they're "sentenced".




Besides, the whole Pr0n debate is senseless.  If we'd just legalize prostitution the porn addiction would end.

Failing that we could just make marriage a more rational option.  Do it younger and remove the cash and prizes from divorce settlements.  But ha, I'm just making funny talk here.  Changing society would take too much effort.  Just stick with the prostitutes.  

Decriminalizing prostitution doesn't change "illegal" prostitution. Go to any Western European country where prostitution is regulated. The market for illegal prostitution remains.

Wrote an entire monograph 140 varieties of as . . . what forum are we in?

Too little time to correct the misconceptions here on the impact of pr0n and now prostitution on illegal sexual behavior.

In short, pr0n mitigates it. Prostitution changes the game very little.
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« Reply #74 on: June 25, 2012, 04:45:54 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

I have no problem with a little violence as long as no one is killed.  

I was specifically addressing Gebre's outspoken advocacy of pacifism in other places. It seems exceptions occur when we are A. cracking down on pornogrophers to protect our kids; and B. beating our kids.

We have a very unruly young boy at our parish. ADD X1000 . I told his parents. "You know, you only have to beat them once"
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« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2012, 05:08:47 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Most Christians don't need to perpetrate violence to deal with society's ills.  There are always plenty of Christians willing to perpetrate violence for them so they don't have to.  

BTW, when you come to power, Gebre, please give me a call and we can deal with the abortionists and paedophiles.  I will keep it nice and quiet so everyone will have plausible deniability.  They will even be given fair trials...right before they're "sentenced".




Besides, the whole Pr0n debate is senseless.  If we'd just legalize prostitution the porn addiction would end.

Failing that we could just make marriage a more rational option.  Do it younger and remove the cash and prizes from divorce settlements.  But ha, I'm just making funny talk here.  Changing society would take too much effort.  Just stick with the prostitutes.  

Decriminalizing prostitution doesn't change "illegal" prostitution. Go to any Western European country where prostitution is regulated. The market for illegal prostitution remains.

Wrote an entire monograph 140 varieties of as . . . what forum are we in?

Too little time to correct the misconceptions here on the impact of pr0n and now prostitution on illegal sexual behavior.

In short, pr0n mitigates it. Prostitution changes the game very little.

I think your second line, after the ellipses, will keep me back from most of my opinions on the matter.  We may have to take this to PM.
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« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2012, 07:32:30 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon. 


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« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2012, 07:41:32 PM »

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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon.

Solomon did not cut the baby.

Funny "get out" clause at the end of the first sentence. Why not go all the way and stop after the word 'opinion'? Why weasel out of it?

Does the local district attorney know that you feel this way? There are people serving time for acting on 'thoughts' like that. You could, of course, try to do something to encourage adoption, but that doesn't foster your apparently entertaining fantasy of killing doctors. It sucks when you have to forgive people and find something else to do.

Why don't you care about saving the 'baby' of the doctor's mother?

I could point out that God spared Cain, and Jesus forgave the people who crucified Him, but you probably think God was wrong then too.
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« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2012, 07:53:40 PM »

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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon.

Solomon did not cut the baby.

Funny "get out" clause at the end of the first sentence. Why not go all the way and stop after the word 'opinion'? Why weasel out of it?

Does the local district attorney know that you feel this way? There are people serving time for acting on 'thoughts' like that. You could, of course, try to do something to encourage adoption, but that doesn't foster your apparently entertaining fantasy of killing doctors. It sucks when you have to forgive people and find something else to do.

Why don't you care about saving the 'baby' of the doctor's mother?

I could point out that God spared Cain, and Jesus forgave the people who crucified Him, but you probably think God was wrong then too.


Like I said, some people love to make straw man caricatures of my position. That's easier than actually discussing the issue in a reasonable manner, although it's also quite cowardly. Your slanderous accusations and deliberate misrepresentation of my views does not deserve a response. Honest people on this forum know and understand that I desire the salvation of all people, pedophiles and abortionists included. They may disagree with me about pacifism, but they are honest enough to realize that I mourn the suffering and death of anyone created in God's holy image. So disagree with me all you want, but I would ask you to excercise the integrity not to slander me in such a dishonest manner. Thank you.


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« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2012, 07:55:06 PM »


 But this is not a perfect world, so I am quite willing to let the pornographers print their porn as long as I am guaranteed the right to have my Bible.


Perhaps this is where we most profoundly disagree. I will gladly give up my own rights and freedoms to ensure that innocent children are protected. From my limited knowledge of the gospel, it seems that this is what Our Lord would desire for me to do. I'm not interested in preserving an egalitarian utopia where I'm content to tolerate baby killing and pornography as long as I can read my Bible and go to Church.

How do you plan to jail the pornographers without the use of violence?

Gebre's denial of his own violence is extreme. In his first post in this thread IIRC, his reliance on violence rather blatant.




I know people love to make straw man caricatures of my pacifist position, but that's hardly productive to an honest discussion. I've been quite clear in condemning violence against abortionists. I've also been quite clear in stating that I view this culture as a manifestation of Babylon, and therefore I don't think Christians should get involved in politics, the military, etc. To denounce the evils of Babylon and desire to see the innocent spared from these evils is in no way inconsistent with my pacifist position. I can believe thoroughly in nonviolence and still rejoice that an SOB like Sandusky is arrested and sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. Even Babylon gets some things right. We must live in this world, but we are not to be of this world. (Cf St. John 15:19)

The world relies on violence and force, and sometimes there are instances of justice that result from such violence and force; and when these instances of justice occur, I rejoice. The problem is that the violence and force of the world produce much more injustice than justice. And to explain my position once again, let me reiterate that I have never said that using violence or force to rescue the innocent is unjust. I simply said that it is not the most Christian way, it is not the way of Christ. To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon. 


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« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2012, 08:06:46 PM »

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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon.

Slander? Who are you kidding?

Read it again. You're the one who wrote it.

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Holy cow he really wrote that? Smh
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« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2012, 08:39:18 PM »

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To kill an abortionist in order to save unborn babies is not sinful in my opinion, but it is not Christian either. King Solomon's sword was not unjust, but we are called to follow Christ not Solomon.

Slander? Who are you kidding?

Read it again. You're the one who wrote it.



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I see many people here falling back on the legal law to defend immoral behaviors and damaging practices. I would just like to remind you all of Kohlberg's system of ethical development. People who use legal authority to justify their ethical decisions are generally seen as lower on the scale of ethical development whereas people like Gebre Menfes Kidus who make their ethical decisions regardless of whatever the legal authority says are seen as higher in ethical development. Something to think about.
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« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2012, 09:06:46 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.
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I see many people here falling back on the legal law to defend immoral behaviors and damaging practices. I would just like to remind you all of Kohlberg's system of ethical development. People who use legal authority to justify their ethical decisions are generally seen as lower on the scale of ethical development whereas people like Gebre Menfes Kidus who make their ethical decisions regardless of whatever the legal authority says are seen as higher in ethical development. Something to think about.

We are not talking about decisions that we make.  We are talking about forcing our morals on others because we do not have the sanctity to convert them by our example - and using the force of a secular state to do it because we are too cowardly to do it ourselves. 
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« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2012, 09:21:03 PM »

I can't help it if I agree with him. My mother had me at fifteen; she could have easily aborted me and most people in her situation would have advised her to get an abortion. But she stayed strong and kept me. People who get abortions are quite frankly, lazy, or, at least not as tough and admirable as my mother was. Me and my mother are living proof that abortion is never the answer. I do feel very ill of people who get abortions and those who perform the practice. Would you find it immoral to kill a serial killer to protect a victim? Most likely no, so why would you find an abortionist any different from a serial killer? He makes his career off of deceiving young girls who are a few fries short of a happy meal and killing their offspring.

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

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I see many people here falling back on the legal law to defend immoral behaviors and damaging practices. I would just like to remind you all of Kohlberg's system of ethical development. People who use legal authority to justify their ethical decisions are generally seen as lower on the scale of ethical development whereas people like Gebre Menfes Kidus who make their ethical decisions regardless of whatever the legal authority says are seen as higher in ethical development. Something to think about.

We are not talking about decisions that we make.  We are talking about forcing our morals on others because we do not have the sanctity to convert them by our example - and using the force of a secular state to do it because we are too cowardly to do it ourselves. 

What would you say then when the decisions of others affect other people? Bad decisions affect all people. The notion that they affect only you yourself is a postmodern atheistic lie. I think that we have a right to force our morals on people because our morals are the only way to ensure that no one is ever harmed.
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« Reply #88 on: June 25, 2012, 09:23:29 PM »

Who is Kolberg? And who cares?

If you feel sorry for Gebre, you're out to lunch, too.

And I thought you couldn't spell win without i and by i, I mean, me.

Who loves it when biro gets wound up?



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« Reply #89 on: June 25, 2012, 09:23:55 PM »

It just gets worse and worse.
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