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Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« on: June 22, 2012, 11:01:08 PM »
Jury convicts Jerry Sandusky

Jerry Sandusky was convicted Friday of sexually assaulting 10 boys over 15 years, accusations that shattered the image of Penn State football and led to the firing of Hall of Fame coach Joe Paterno.

Sandusky, a 68-year-old retired defensive coach who once was Paterno's heir apparent, was found guilty on 45 of 48 counts.

Sandusky showed little emotion as the verdict was read. The judge ordered him to be taken to the county jail to await sentencing in about three months. He faces the possibility of life in prison. The charges carry a minimum 60-year sentence and 448 years at maximum...
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 11:07:27 PM »
I like that the police chief gave the credit to the victims who came forward to testify.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 11:12:10 PM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 11:22:30 PM »
448 years, that should do it...

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 11:23:50 PM »
Where he's going, he's gonna be playing defensive every day and I hope he loses every day.  
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 11:34:03 PM »
Where he's going, he's gonna be playing defensive every day and I hope he loses every day.  
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 11:36:40 PM »
Where he's going, he's gonna be playing defensive every day and I hope he loses every day.  
Calm down man. Non bis in idem, you know.

His jail time amore won't be legal, so no double jeopardy.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 12:49:07 AM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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Did you seriously just compare pornography to the sexual abuse of young boys?
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 09:35:06 AM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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And the Women who have had abortions to be logically consistent. Maybe there can be a big midnight round up

Oh and Hugh Heffner.. To the dungeon with him !
« Last Edit: June 23, 2012, 09:35:29 AM by Marc1152 »
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 01:49:41 PM »
Are you just referring to kiddieporn, or to other porn.  MILF porn and grannyporn would need a different verse.  I am not sure that the Bible even covers most German porn because I'm not sure that even God could have forseen that.


Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2012, 05:27:57 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2012, 05:31:36 PM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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And the Women who have had abortions to be logically consistent. Maybe there can be a big midnight round up

Oh and Hugh Heffner.. To the dungeon with him !


Many women don't really understand that they are murdering an actual child. They have been sold a lie that they are merely removing a blob of tissue. The abortionists are under no such dilusions. They know exactly what they are doing. So, yes, to the dugeon with abortionists, pedophiles, and pornographers!


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 05:31:45 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2012, 07:24:00 PM »
I've got the pitch forks, who's ready for a witch hunt?!
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2012, 08:57:59 PM »
I am not sure that the Bible even covers most German porn because I'm not sure that even God could have forseen that.

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2012, 09:36:18 PM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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And the Women who have had abortions to be logically consistent. Maybe there can be a big midnight round up

Oh and Hugh Heffner.. To the dungeon with him !


Many women don't really understand that they are murdering an actual child. They have been sold a lie that they are merely removing a blob of tissue. The abortionists are under no such dilusions. They know exactly what they are doing. So, yes, to the dugeon with abortionists, pedophiles, and pornographers!


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I hope this means if they repent they don't have to bei n the dungeon anymore ;)
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2012, 09:38:29 PM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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And the Women who have had abortions to be logically consistent. Maybe there can be a big midnight round up

Oh and Hugh Heffner.. To the dungeon with him !


Many women don't really understand that they are murdering an actual child. They have been sold a lie that they are merely removing a blob of tissue. The abortionists are under no such dilusions. They know exactly what they are doing. So, yes, to the dugeon with abortionists, pedophiles, and pornographers!


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I hope this means if they repent they don't have to bei n the dungeon anymore ;)


Of course I pray for their repentance. I wish that for them more than punishment. But until then...


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2012, 11:32:34 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2012, 11:40:01 PM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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And the Women who have had abortions to be logically consistent. Maybe there can be a big midnight round up

Oh and Hugh Heffner.. To the dungeon with him !


Many women don't really understand that they are murdering an actual child. They have been sold a lie that they are merely removing a blob of tissue. The abortionists are under no such dilusions. They know exactly what they are doing. So, yes, to the dugeon with abortionists, pedophiles, and pornographers!


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But that's a decision for a jury.. Ignorance is not a defense if you have killed someone ( "I didnt know the gun was loaded"), it's only a mitigating factor come sentencing time.

So once you are in office we should expect a lot of knocks on the door in the middle of the night and women dragged off to face "justice".  That's if your  premise is to be consistent and taken to it's logical end.

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2012, 11:46:37 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks


Keep spouting your spurious "free speech" matra while the children suffer. If only you cared as much about the peace and well being of innocent children as you do about your own right to look at porn.


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2012, 11:49:51 PM »
Good. Now if we could only sentence pornographers and abortionists to the same fate.

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [St. Matthew 18:6]


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And the Women who have had abortions to be logically consistent. Maybe there can be a big midnight round up

Oh and Hugh Heffner.. To the dungeon with him !


Many women don't really understand that they are murdering an actual child. They have been sold a lie that they are merely removing a blob of tissue. The abortionists are under no such dilusions. They know exactly what they are doing. So, yes, to the dugeon with abortionists, pedophiles, and pornographers!


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But that's a decision for a jury.. Ignorance is not a defense if you have killed someone ( "I didnt know the gun was loaded"), it's only a mitigating factor come sentencing time.



If abortion ever becomes illegal again, I would have no problem with trial by jury for anyone complicit in abortion. It should be treated like any other homicide, judged by motives, intent, premeditation, etc.



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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2012, 12:52:45 AM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2012, 09:01:05 AM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

I have to agree with Marc here.  While comedians and pornographers are not the same thing (although with some modern "comedy", it is hard to tell), they are both protected by the same Amendment of the Constitution.  So are Priests.  We are not a Theocracy, so get over it.  If you don't like that then move to Iran.  Once you start determining what is protected speech by your own morals, you have NO reason to cry when the majority, who may find your speech spreading the Gospel offensive, decide to silence you.  Nobody forces you to watch porn.  And as for much of what you have listed above, I can find cases where every one of those can be applied to religion.  Maybe we should ban religion.  It has caused FAR more destruction and bloodshed than any pornography.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2012, 01:36:35 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

I have to agree with Marc here.  While comedians and pornographers are not the same thing (although with some modern "comedy", it is hard to tell), they are both protected by the same Amendment of the Constitution.  So are Priests.  We are not a Theocracy, so get over it.  If you don't like that then move to Iran.  Once you start determining what is protected speech by your own morals, you have NO reason to cry when the majority, who may find your speech spreading the Gospel offensive, decide to silence you.  Nobody forces you to watch porn.  And as for much of what you have listed above, I can find cases where every one of those can be applied to religion.  Maybe we should ban religion.  It has caused FAR more destruction and bloodshed than any pornography.

Relax, friend.  You're expending unnecessary energy as no one has yet argued for the abolition of pornography (although in a perfect world...).  But I would like for you to reconsider your argument that religion has caused more problems than pornography based on some demonstrable facts.  Save for Islam perhaps, Christianity nor Judaism advocates violence.  That guilt belongs solely to individuals using religion to advance their personal desires.  Christianity is responsible for charities, education, and more importantly salvation.  Christianity raises people and cultures up; transforming them completely.  I submit that pornography, though protected, has absolutely zero socially redeeming value.  It takes a beautiful gift from God and completely transforms it into something cruel and base.  What worries me, in addition to what I listed above, is that pornographers have been successful in getting their products into the wrong age-appropriate hands.  Rather than argue that everything should be "protected speech" simply out of fear that Christianity might lose it's protection, we should be trying to bring pornographers to Christ.  And let me remind you, though society might try to stamp out Christianity we both know that nothing, not even the gates of Hell, will prevail in that endeavor. 
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2012, 02:47:18 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks


Keep spouting your spurious "free speech" matra while the children suffer. If only you cared as much about the peace and well being of innocent children as you do about your own right to look at porn.


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It seems to me that very weak arguments often try to appeal to how the issue effects children.

I think children will be better served by growing up in a country where there is free speech. I think they would not be well served by a country where people are threatend with Prison when they offend someone's religious sensibilities.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2012, 02:56:17 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

Yes comedians who had what they used to call "Blue" acts were thrown into jail for violating obscenity Laws. It's the exact same issue.

If you think porn is unhealthy then persuade people of your position. Threatening people with jail and dungeons is juvenile, wont every actually happen and convinces people that Christians are the ones who are evil...
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2012, 03:41:56 PM »
Yet another thread I can't play in.

A lot of interesting things said.

Marc actually stumbling over the ideological use of "children" as we have moved to a more permissive and perverse society as a the god we must appease or protect rather than God.

There is always some nebulous other to appease or protect within psyche or society.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2012, 04:12:34 PM »
...(sic)... as we have moved to a more permissive and perverse society as a the god we must appease or protect rather than God.  There is always some nebulous other to appease or protect within psyche or society.
This is pure gold for those who have understanding.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2012, 04:22:46 PM »
I'm all for Free Speech to a point.  I'm just saddened when Christians use this argument as a means to defend evangelizing.  Did St. Paul try to change the law so that he could preach without fear?  I think we've grown accustomed to too much comfort as Christians in America.  It seems that the idea of martyrdom is too disturbing an idea to our comfortable climate-controlled disposable lives.  I never thought I'd see the day when Christians would defend pornography.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2012, 04:25:14 PM »
If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  

Because disagreement amounts to stifling free speech.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
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If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  

Because disagreement amounts to stifling free speech.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2012, 04:40:04 PM »
...(sic)... as we have moved to a more permissive and perverse society as a the god we must appease or protect rather than God.  There is always some nebulous other to appease or protect within psyche or society.
This is pure gold for those who have understanding.


I have no idea what he is talking about. Glad you got something out of it.
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2012, 05:48:07 PM »
"As a the god..."  ?

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
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"As a the god..."  ?

 ???

typo, take away the a.

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2012, 06:10:31 PM »
...(sic)... as we have moved to a more permissive and perverse society as a the god we must appease or protect rather than God.  There is always some nebulous other to appease or protect within psyche or society.
This is pure gold for those who have understanding.


I have no idea what he is talking about. Glad you got something out of it.

Glad you didn't.

I started to attempt to explain what seems plainly obvious to me, then I realized how pointless it would be.

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2012, 06:24:57 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...

 Nobody forces you to watch porn.


Countless children are forced to watch porn every day my friend. Why don't we prioritize protecting their freedom? I'm all for individual liberties, including the freedom to volitionally engage in sinful behavior; but when one ostensible individual liberty infringes upon the safety and well being of others, then it reveals itself to be not a liberty but a license of destruction and abuse.


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2012, 06:27:00 PM »
I'm all for Free Speech to a point.  I'm just saddened when Christians use this argument as a means to defend evangelizing.  Did St. Paul try to change the law so that he could preach without fear?  I think we've grown accustomed to too much comfort as Christians in America.  It seems that the idea of martyrdom is too disturbing an idea to our comfortable climate-controlled disposable lives.  I never thought I'd see the day when Christians would defend pornography.


Amen brother. I actually believe that "free speech" is an idol of secularism which taken to its logical conclusion can only lead to anarchy and chaos.


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2012, 06:30:34 PM »
Children all over the world suffer from the effects of pornography. Many children are exposed to pornography by adults at a very young age, and many pedophiles use pornography (not only child pornogrpahy) to lure children into their demonic trap. So anyone who thinks there is no link or correlation between pornography and child abuse is simply ignorant or naive. Get your heads out of the sand. In fact, I would argue that Hugh Heffner and Larry Flynt have negatively affected far more children than this sick S.O.B. Sandusky. Just because they haven't physically abused children themselves does not mean that children have not suffered from their actions.


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..It's kind of a free speech thing. We used to throw comedians in jail when they talked dirty during their acts. Lenny Bruce was literally pulled down from the stage by the cops. Worry about your own morality and leave the rest of us in peace.   Thanks

If it's a free speech thing, then why are you stifling his free speech?  And surely, please tell me it ain't so- you surely aren't comparing comedians to pornographers are you?  Really?  I'm with Gebre 100% on the Porn Crusade.  

Pornography:

1 has lead to sex crimes.
2 is the number one addiction in the US.
3 ruins marriages.
4 ruins self-esteem of both men and women.
5 creates unhealthy and unrealistic fantasies.

etc...


If you think porn is unhealthy then persuade people of your position. Threatening people with jail and dungeons is juvenile, wont every actually happen and convinces people that Christians are the ones who are evil...


Ummm... apparrently you haven't noticed, but that's exactly what I'm trying to do here. And I haven't threatened anyone with jail or dungeons. I don't work for Babylon.


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2012, 07:15:17 PM »
Something I think a lot of Free Speech advocates forget is that with the freedom of speech comes the responsibility to use that freedom wisely. Sometimes this responsibility needs to be enforced with legal bounds on our free speech. (Originally, IIRC, the freedom of speech guaranteed in the Bill of Rights was merely the freedom to speak publicly against the government without fear of retribution. It didn't protect the "freedom" to say whatever you damn well please.)
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2012, 07:30:37 PM »
Something I think a lot of Free Speech advocates forget is that with the freedom of speech comes the responsibility to use that freedom wisely. Sometimes this responsibility needs to be enforced with legal bounds on our free speech. (Originally, IIRC, the freedom of speech guaranteed in the Bill of Rights was merely the freedom to speak publicly against the government without fear of retribution. It didn't protect the "freedom" to say whatever you damn well please.)


Good point. As John D. Rockefeller said, "I believe that every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty." But the problem with Rockefeller's ideal (and with our society) is that we have legislated liberties and facilitated opportunities without requiring responsibility, obligation, and duty. We live in a culture where every man and woman is free to do what they please while innocent children are enslaved by these "liberties." The ideals of secularism appear innocuous and even noble at face value, but they mask a corrosive tide of evil that cannot be stanched once it is unleashed.


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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2012, 08:13:12 PM »
I am not sure that the Bible even covers most German porn because I'm not sure that even God could have forseen that.

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2012, 09:21:47 PM »
Something I think a lot of Free Speech advocates forget is that with the freedom of speech comes the responsibility to use that freedom wisely. Sometimes this responsibility needs to be enforced with legal bounds on our free speech. (Originally, IIRC, the freedom of speech guaranteed in the Bill of Rights was merely the freedom to speak publicly against the government without fear of retribution. It didn't protect the "freedom" to say whatever you damn well please.)

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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2012, 09:48:30 PM »
...(sic)... as we have moved to a more permissive and perverse society as a the god we must appease or protect rather than God.  There is always some nebulous other to appease or protect within psyche or society.
This is pure gold for those who have understanding.


I have no idea what he is talking about. Glad you got something out of it.

Glad you didn't.

I started to attempt to explain what seems plainly obvious to me, then I realized how pointless it would be.



oh don't bother . I was just saying that if you put a gun to my head and said I had five minutes to explain what you wrote, I'd be a goner.... If you told me my dear children would be executed if i didn't explain your post, well...........bye kids.

I am sure it's me and not you. 
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2012, 10:10:21 PM »
...(sic)... as we have moved to a more permissive and perverse society as a the god we must appease or protect rather than God.  There is always some nebulous other to appease or protect within psyche or society.
This is pure gold for those who have understanding.


I have no idea what he is talking about. Glad you got something out of it.

Glad you didn't.

I started to attempt to explain what seems plainly obvious to me, then I realized how pointless it would be.



oh don't bother . I was just saying that if you put a gun to my head and said I had five minutes to explain what you wrote, I'd be a goner.... If you told me my dear children would be executed if i didn't explain your post, well...........bye kids.

I am sure it's me and not you.  


Don't forget this thread, Marc.
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,44950.msg756893.html#msg756893
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Re: Sandusky Found Guilty on 45 of 48 Counts
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2012, 10:23:01 PM »
I'm all for Free Speech to a point.  I'm just saddened when Christians use this argument as a means to defend evangelizing.  Did St. Paul try to change the law so that he could preach without fear?  I think we've grown accustomed to too much comfort as Christians in America.  It seems that the idea of martyrdom is too disturbing an idea to our comfortable climate-controlled disposable lives.  I never thought I'd see the day when Christians would defend pornography.


Amen brother. I actually believe that "free speech" is an idol of secularism which taken to its logical conclusion can only lead to anarchy and chaos.


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