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Etiquette for Noobs
« on: August 19, 2017, 11:53:20 PM »
What is the absolute least that any visitor to any church should be careful to observe?
Pretend you're an evangelical.

1. Crossing oneself either right to left or according to one's tradition.
2. Veneration of the icons
3. Smelling of the incense.
4. Standing at the appropriate times, according to a doctor's recommendation.
5. Something else.

Thanks! By the way, it's a poll, so everybody has to vote. Just kidding. Don't vote if you don't want to. How's that for psychology?
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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 03:51:33 PM »
Any church, or any Orthodox church? If the latter, I would say wear respectful clothing (no shirts with swear words, beach wear, etc.) and don't go out of your way to be rude or distracting.
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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 03:58:02 PM »
I have to confess, on this subject, the first time I watched a video of the Divine Liturgy (on Youtube, an Antiochian parish in Montreal), I incorrectly assumed the deacon's doors led to the bathroom.   :-[

Fortunately, before I even reached the end of that video, I realized their true function. 

Had I not, that could have caused the most extreme example of a N00b breach of etiquette imaginable.

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I've only been through the deacons doors in an EO church once, an Old Calendarist parish actually, where the priest, who was a very nice man, wanted to show me the Table of Prothesis and a few other things I had never seen before.

In the Coptic church, we go through the iconostasis into rooms on either side of the altar where we receive the Eucharist.
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Re: Etiquette for Noob
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 04:01:52 PM »
Any church, or any Orthodox church? If the latter, I would say wear respectful clothing (no shirts with swear words, beach wear, etc.) and don't go out of your way to be rude or distracting.

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Also, its a good idea to keep clear of the center of the Solea, especially the area around the icon on display that dy, during the liturgy itself, and obviously, do not block the deacons doors or the Holy Doors.  I think its a good idea not to venerate the icons on the iconostasis during the liturgy. 

You should try to avoid moving around excessively.  The last thing you want to do is inadvertantly get in the way of the Great Entrance, and there isnt always an obvious aisle like in a Protestant church.
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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2017, 04:40:44 PM »
I have to confess, on this subject, the first time I watched a video of the Divine Liturgy (on Youtube, an Antiochian parish in Montreal), I incorrectly assumed the deacon's doors led to the bathroom.   :-[

Fortunately, before I even reached the end of that video, I realized their true function. 

Had I not, that could have caused the most extreme example of a N00b breach of etiquette imaginable.

I thought about adding "Don't try to go into the altar" to my list above, but I thought that would be too obvious.

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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2017, 04:44:07 PM »
What is the absolute least that any visitor to any church should be careful to observe?
Pretend you're an evangelical.

1. Crossing oneself either right to left or according to one's tradition.
2. Veneration of the icons
3. Smelling of the incense.
4. Standing at the appropriate times, according to a doctor's recommendation.
5. Something else.

Thanks! By the way, it's a poll, so everybody has to vote. Just kidding. Don't vote if you don't want to. How's that for psychology?

What I did was just show up and watch . . .  after a few months of intermittent visiting to the same parish I slowly began to participate directly.  Crossing came first, next the bows and prostrations, veneration of icons next and finally the lighting of candles.

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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2017, 06:05:23 PM »
Make sure you make the sign of the cross for the Holy Trinity at least. What you're asking was a question for me for much longer than it should have been, as the parishes we've attended are very mixed, many converts and backgrounds, and so simply observing others produced little but confusion. It really helped me to attend a different parish a few times where everyone followed a (Russian) pattern. In my experience, some middle-aged Greeks do as little as possible, maybe with an idea that that's American.
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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2017, 06:08:42 PM »
Bring some food & drink for coffee hour. 8)
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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 02:15:59 AM »
Stand when everyone stands and rotate when everyone rotates.
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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 02:39:03 AM »
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There are other things, however, which are different in different places and countries... In regard to these and all other variable observances which may be met anywhere, one is at liberty to comply with them or not as he chooses; and there is no better rule for the wise and serious Christian in this matter, than to conform to the practice which he finds prevailing in the Church to which it may be his lot to come. For such a custom, if it is clearly not contrary to the faith nor to sound morality, is to be held as a thing indifferent, and ought to be observed for the sake of fellowship with those among whom we live.

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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 04:42:03 AM »
Make sure you make the sign of the cross for the Holy Trinity at least.

I don't particularly agree with this. If a "noob" feels comfortable, certainly, but that may be something that comes later. I've been to parishes where every mention of the Holy Trinity (or any of its parts), the Theotokos, etc. elicits a near-uniform sign of the cross response from the parishioners. And I've been to parishes where only a smattering of folks do this, and only on rare occasion.

I'm not saying you shouldn't make the sign of the cross, but I don't think it's a "must" for a new attendee.

I like Asteriktos' (and St. Augustine's...) advice. Don't overthink it. Aim for generally respecting the services, particularly during Gospel readings and the procession of communion. Basically, Nick's instructions.
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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 06:35:42 AM »
Stand when everyone stands and rotate when everyone rotates.

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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 09:48:04 AM »
Stand when everyone stands and rotate when everyone rotates.

That's what it's all about.

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Re: Etiquette for Noobs
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2017, 05:37:16 PM »
Stand when everyone stands and rotate when everyone rotates.

That's what it's all about.

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