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Offline AClaire11

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Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« on: February 03, 2015, 10:32:56 PM »
My husband and I are still working out some things in our journey to becoming Orthodox, and we're also hoping to have our first child soon.  If we have a child while still catechumens, will our child be baptized right away or would we have to wait until we are baptized ourselves?

Sorry if this has already been answered.  I searched and wasn't able to find anything.

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2015, 11:15:35 PM »
It seems to me that having you child baptized while you are a Catechumen would be up to your priest.

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 11:22:48 PM »
The "easiest" solution would be to have the child and the three of you can be baptized and chrismated in one sitting ... depending on your priest.  Most babies in the Orthodox faith are baptized between 40 days and 1 year of age.  You and your husband would have almost 2 years to complete the cathechumenate.  I don't believe that starting a family would derail one's path towards Orthodoxy.

I've seen entire families (with infants) received into Orthodoxy by baptism (for the youngest) and chrismation (for the adults).

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 11:47:03 PM »
It seems to me that having you child baptized while you are a Catechumen would be up to your priest.

Why wouldn't it be up to the parents? It would only harm the child if his/her Baptism is delayed.
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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 12:04:49 AM »
It seems to me that having you child baptized while you are a Catechumen would be up to your priest.

Why wouldn't it be up to the parents? It would only harm the child if his/her Baptism is delayed.

The priest performs the Baptism.  He must agree to perform it.  He may be more than willing, or he may be reluctant.  It depends on him.

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 12:19:22 AM »
If your priest works in the same way as mine has in the past, once the parents are received in, the child will too by baptism, chrismation and tonsure.  Usually, this is all done on Great and Holy Saturday.
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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 12:43:03 AM »
My husband and I are still working out some things in our journey to becoming Orthodox, and we're also hoping to have our first child soon.  If we have a child while still catechumens, will our child be baptized right away or would we have to wait until we are baptized ourselves?

Sorry if this has already been answered.  I searched and wasn't able to find anything.

Your Priest would likely either have worked this out with his Bishop or will do so once you ask.
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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 01:20:58 AM »
Thank you so much for all the replies!  I'll definitely bring it up with the priest when we finally receive our good news.  It's good to know that it's not too normal for the baby to be baptized when they're about 1yo.  Hopefully it's not too hard to find a baptismal outfit in that size, haha

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 01:32:07 AM »
My husband and I are still working out some things in our journey to becoming Orthodox, and we're also hoping to have our first child soon.  If we have a child while still catechumens, will our child be baptized right away or would we have to wait until we are baptized ourselves?

Sorry if this has already been answered.  I searched and wasn't able to find anything.
I've seen it done (for one thing, the sponsors would be Orthodox already). In the one case the girl was older (9 or so), and after her baptism, at DL, she came up with her yet unchrismated parents for the prayer of the catechumens.  The priest had to stop for a moment and gently tell her she wasn't a catechumen anymore.
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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 01:34:00 AM »
Thank you so much for all the replies!  I'll definitely bring it up with the priest when we finally receive our good news.  It's good to know that it's not too normal for the baby to be baptized when they're about 1yo.  Hopefully it's not too hard to find a baptismal outfit in that size, haha

I was baptized at 11 months.  My Godfather (may his memory be eternal) agreed with the Priest (may his memory be eternal) that I was a heavy child.   :angel:

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 01:03:13 PM »
I do not think it's a good idea to baptize your child unless you are not yet sure whether you become Orthodox and bring her up in faith.

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 01:56:35 PM »
I do not think it's a good idea to baptize your child unless you are not yet sure whether you become Orthodox and bring her up in faith.

I agree.  We wouldn't do so unless we were sure.

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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2015, 01:41:34 PM »
I've seen it done (for one thing, the sponsors would be Orthodox already). In the one case the girl was older (9 or so), and after her baptism, at DL, she came up with her yet unchrismated parents for the prayer of the catechumens.  The priest had to stop for a moment and gently tell her she wasn't a catechumen anymore.

For some reason this story makes me smile and warms my heart. It must be a little unusual for a child to be "older" in the faith than her own parents. :)
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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2015, 01:46:33 PM »
It's certainly not categorical that a child with non-Orthodox parents (and you are not non-Orthodox parents) will not be baptized. The Church stands ready to receive souls.
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Re: Can your child be baptized if you are still a catechumen?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2015, 12:46:28 AM »
We have couple in our Church who did this, so it can be done but as said previously it's up to the Priest.
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