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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2012, 01:59:47 PM »

Mom! J Michael is touching me! he's touching me!

Ok, he stopped touching me but now he's looking at me! Make him stop looking at me!

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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2012, 02:55:00 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2012, 03:11:00 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?
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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2012, 03:18:28 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2012, 03:37:12 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley

That's a relief! 

Now, knock it off with the spit-balls, okay!?!?  Grin
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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2012, 05:35:14 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley

For the RC's or for the Orthodox?  1/3 of the council of Basle is ok with the RCC, and 1/4 of Constance, and then of course Florence trumps the others on papal supremacy.  Even Vatican I is in fractions as the official name of the RCC there is indeed "Roman" whereas this was nullified by Vatican II which reduced it to "Catholic."   We may have less whole numbers but also have less fractions.  Wink
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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2012, 05:44:32 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley

For the RC's or for the Orthodox?  1/3 of the council of Basle is ok with the RCC, and 1/4 of Constance, and then of course Florence trumps the others on papal supremacy.  Even Vatican I is in fractions as the official name of the RCC there is indeed "Roman" whereas this was nullified by Vatican II which reduced it to "Catholic."   We may have less whole numbers but also have less fractions.  Wink

Well, I can google for the dates and details, but off the top of my head...

Nicea = 1
Constantinople = 1 (even though the actual council broke up, and was reconvened later, I'll still count this as one)
Ephesus = 1
Chalcedon = 1 (leaving aside that a large chunk of the Church rejected it, which I guess is true to a lesser extent for Ephesus)
Justinian's Thing = 1
That one in 680 = 1
Trullo = 1/2 (it met like 10 years after #6, so ain't no way I'm counting it as the same)
The 787 Icon council
Photian Council (the Orthodox one that sort of settled things down, not the Catholic one)
Palamite Councils (multiple councils, at least three, and maybe as high as six, but I'm fine with them be grouped together).

= 9 1/2

(yes, I'm only being 1/4 serious  Grin )
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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2012, 05:50:19 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley

For the RC's or for the Orthodox?  1/3 of the council of Basle is ok with the RCC, and 1/4 of Constance, and then of course Florence trumps the others on papal supremacy.  Even Vatican I is in fractions as the official name of the RCC there is indeed "Roman" whereas this was nullified by Vatican II which reduced it to "Catholic."   We may have less whole numbers but also have less fractions.  Wink

Well, I can google for the dates and details, but off the top of my head...

Nicea = 1
Constantinople = 1 (even though the actual council broke up, and was reconvened later, I'll still count this as one)
Ephesus = 1
Chalcedon = 1 (leaving aside that a large chunk of the Church rejected it, which I guess is true to a lesser extent for Ephesus)
Justinian's Thing = 1
That one in 680 = 1
Trullo = 1/2 (it met like 10 years after #6, so ain't no way I'm counting it as the same)
The 787 Icon council
Photian Council (the Orthodox one that sort of settled things down, not the Catholic one)
Palamite Councils (multiple councils, at least three, and maybe as high as six, but I'm fine with them be grouped together).

= 9 1/2

(yes, I'm only being 1/4 serious  Grin )

Trullo being 1/2 is the archsemiheresy of Ambrosism.  The 6th is 680 (dogmas)+Trullo (canons)=1, despite what Fr. Ambrose says.  So says the 7th, so says the Rudder and Kormchaya Kniga.   
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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2012, 09:40:10 AM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley

For the RC's or for the Orthodox?  1/3 of the council of Basle is ok with the RCC, and 1/4 of Constance, and then of course Florence trumps the others on papal supremacy.  Even Vatican I is in fractions as the official name of the RCC there is indeed "Roman" whereas this was nullified by Vatican II which reduced it to "Catholic."   We may have less whole numbers but also have less fractions.  Wink

Well, I can google for the dates and details, but off the top of my head...

Nicea = 1
Constantinople = 1 (even though the actual council broke up, and was reconvened later, I'll still count this as one)
Ephesus = 1
Chalcedon = 1 (leaving aside that a large chunk of the Church rejected it, which I guess is true to a lesser extent for Ephesus)
Justinian's Thing = 1
That one in 680 = 1
Trullo = 1/2 (it met like 10 years after #6, so ain't no way I'm counting it as the same)
The 787 Icon council
Photian Council (the Orthodox one that sort of settled things down, not the Catholic one)
Palamite Councils (multiple councils, at least three, and maybe as high as six, but I'm fine with them be grouped together).

= 9 1/2

(yes, I'm only being 1/4 serious  Grin )

Trullo being 1/2 is the archsemiheresy of Ambrosism.  The 6th is 680 (dogmas)+Trullo (canons)=1, despite what Fr. Ambrose says.  So says the 7th, so says the Rudder and Kormchaya Kniga.   

Pardon my ignorance, but how can you have 1/2 of an *Ecumenical* Council?  Does that mean that 1/2 of it was "Ecumenical" and 1/2 wasn't; or that 1/2 of the proclamations were official and 1/2 unoffical; or that the Holy Spirit was there providing guidance only 1/2 the time, or.........what??  And what is an "archsemiheresy"  Huh Huh



(Just to get it off my chest, because it's a pet peeve of mine with respect especially to "well-educated" people, we don't have "less" whole numbers or fractions or sheep or councils or cups of coffee, etc., etc., we have *fewer* of them  police  angel.  Okay, I feel better now  Grin Grin)
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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2012, 09:51:20 AM »

(Just to get it off my chest, because it's a pet peeve of mine with respect especially to "well-educated" people, we don't have "less" whole numbers or fractions or sheep or councils or cups of coffee, etc., etc., we have *fewer* of them  police  angel.  Okay, I feel better now  Grin Grin)

Nice to find a fellow grammar nazi. Wink  Does apostrophe abuse make you equally apoplectic or is that just my personal cross?

On the question of the Council in Trullo being half a council, I think the post was a humorous take on the fact that its canons are considered an adjunct to the fifth and sixth councils and so we consider it Ecumenical as part of those but not as an Ecumenical Council in its own right.

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« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2012, 10:21:48 AM »

(Just to get it off my chest, because it's a pet peeve of mine with respect especially to "well-educated" people, we don't have "less" whole numbers or fractions or sheep or councils or cups of coffee, etc., etc., we have *fewer* of them  police  angel.  Okay, I feel better now  Grin Grin)

Nice to find a fellow grammar nazi. Wink  Does apostrophe abuse make you equally apoplectic or is that just my personal cross?

I can understand people mixing up its and it's, but some of the apostrophe mistakes I see are just unbelievable.
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« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2012, 10:29:09 AM »

(Just to get it off my chest, because it's a pet peeve of mine with respect especially to "well-educated" people, we don't have "less" whole numbers or fractions or sheep or councils or cups of coffee, etc., etc., we have *fewer* of them  police  angel.  Okay, I feel better now  Grin Grin)

Nice to find a fellow grammar nazi. Wink  Does apostrophe abuse make you equally apoplectic or is that just my personal cross?

I can understand people mixing up its and it's, but some of the apostrophe mistakes I see are just unbelievable.

One of my personal peeves is seeing people (and in this instance I must, lamentably, include the BBC) abbreviating 1990s (for example) as 90's rather than '90s. After all, what can actually belong to a 90?

(Sorry everyone for the brief derailment - feel free to ignore my confessed affliction and return to the subject at hand)

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« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2012, 10:36:16 AM »

(Just to get it off my chest, because it's a pet peeve of mine with respect especially to "well-educated" people, we don't have "less" whole numbers or fractions or sheep or councils or cups of coffee, etc., etc., we have *fewer* of them  police  angel.  Okay, I feel better now  Grin Grin)

Nice to find a fellow grammar nazi. Wink  Does apostrophe abuse make you equally apoplectic or is that just my personal cross?

On the question of the Council in Trullo being half a council, I think the post was a humorous take on the fact that its canons are considered an adjunct to the fifth and sixth councils and so we consider it Ecumenical as part of those but not as an Ecumenical Council in its own right.

James

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Re: grammar--Apostrophe abuse doesn't bother me nearly as much as the "less/fewer" issue.  At least with apostrophes the issue only comes up in *written* language (you can't actually hear an apostrophe), whereas sooooooooo very many supposedly well-educated people and people who speak publicly (broadcasters, college profs., lawyers, priests, bishops, etc., etc.) grossly confuse "less" and "fewer".  Do they not teach this stuff in school anymore?  Or do people just not care?  I have to admit that every once in a while I get a little confused about apostrophes  Sad.  Please accept my apologies in advance  Wink.
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« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2012, 01:51:00 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley

For the RC's or for the Orthodox?  1/3 of the council of Basle is ok with the RCC, and 1/4 of Constance, and then of course Florence trumps the others on papal supremacy.  Even Vatican I is in fractions as the official name of the RCC there is indeed "Roman" whereas this was nullified by Vatican II which reduced it to "Catholic."   We may have less whole numbers but also have less fractions.  Wink

Well, I can google for the dates and details, but off the top of my head...

Nicea = 1
Constantinople = 1 (even though the actual council broke up, and was reconvened later, I'll still count this as one)
Ephesus = 1
Chalcedon = 1 (leaving aside that a large chunk of the Church rejected it, which I guess is true to a lesser extent for Ephesus)
Justinian's Thing = 1
That one in 680 = 1
Trullo = 1/2 (it met like 10 years after #6, so ain't no way I'm counting it as the same)
The 787 Icon council
Photian Council (the Orthodox one that sort of settled things down, not the Catholic one)
Palamite Councils (multiple councils, at least three, and maybe as high as six, but I'm fine with them be grouped together).

= 9 1/2

(yes, I'm only being 1/4 serious  Grin )

Trullo being 1/2 is the archsemiheresy of Ambrosism.  The 6th is 680 (dogmas)+Trullo (canons)=1, despite what Fr. Ambrose says.  So says the 7th, so says the Rudder and Kormchaya Kniga.    

Pardon my ignorance, but how can you have 1/2 of an *Ecumenical* Council?  Does that mean that 1/2 of it was "Ecumenical" and 1/2 wasn't; or that 1/2 of the proclamations were official and 1/2 unoffical; or that the Holy Spirit was there providing guidance only 1/2 the time, or.........what??  And what is an "archsemiheresy"  Huh Huh



(Just to get it off my chest, because it's a pet peeve of mine with respect especially to "well-educated" people, we don't have "less" whole numbers or fractions or sheep or councils or cups of coffee, etc., etc., we have *fewer* of them  police  angel.  Okay, I feel better now  Grin Grin)

Yes, the entire thing was meant to be humerous to those who have been around a while.  Fr. Ambrose (Irish Hermit) held that Trullo was less than Ecumenical.  That is my point, that there is no such thing as a 1/2 Ecumenical Council, which I think I made clear.  The Vatican does claim that there are partial ecumenical councils (Basle, Constance, etc).

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.  

Since you have already taken the joy out of this litany of posts (one of my pet peeves), I refuse to explain the humor of a word such as "archsemiheresy" in this context  laugh  Wink
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« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2012, 02:11:51 PM »

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.  

Nuh-uh (or nuh'uh Grin).
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« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2012, 03:26:30 PM »

son didn't I tell you to stay away from those creepy old guys?? police

Okay, now it's getting a little creepy.

Creepiness knows no bounds.....



So.....howz about them Ecumenical Councils, anyway?

All 9 1/2 Ecumenical Councils are doing quite well Smiley

For the RC's or for the Orthodox?  1/3 of the council of Basle is ok with the RCC, and 1/4 of Constance, and then of course Florence trumps the others on papal supremacy.  Even Vatican I is in fractions as the official name of the RCC there is indeed "Roman" whereas this was nullified by Vatican II which reduced it to "Catholic."   We may have less whole numbers but also have less fractions.  Wink

Well, I can google for the dates and details, but off the top of my head...

Nicea = 1
Constantinople = 1 (even though the actual council broke up, and was reconvened later, I'll still count this as one)
Ephesus = 1
Chalcedon = 1 (leaving aside that a large chunk of the Church rejected it, which I guess is true to a lesser extent for Ephesus)
Justinian's Thing = 1
That one in 680 = 1
Trullo = 1/2 (it met like 10 years after #6, so ain't no way I'm counting it as the same)
The 787 Icon council
Photian Council (the Orthodox one that sort of settled things down, not the Catholic one)
Palamite Councils (multiple councils, at least three, and maybe as high as six, but I'm fine with them be grouped together).

= 9 1/2

(yes, I'm only being 1/4 serious  Grin )

Trullo being 1/2 is the archsemiheresy of Ambrosism.  The 6th is 680 (dogmas)+Trullo (canons)=1, despite what Fr. Ambrose says.  So says the 7th, so says the Rudder and Kormchaya Kniga.    

Pardon my ignorance, but how can you have 1/2 of an *Ecumenical* Council?  Does that mean that 1/2 of it was "Ecumenical" and 1/2 wasn't; or that 1/2 of the proclamations were official and 1/2 unoffical; or that the Holy Spirit was there providing guidance only 1/2 the time, or.........what??  And what is an "archsemiheresy"  Huh Huh



(Just to get it off my chest, because it's a pet peeve of mine with respect especially to "well-educated" people, we don't have "less" whole numbers or fractions or sheep or councils or cups of coffee, etc., etc., we have *fewer* of them  police  angel.  Okay, I feel better now  Grin Grin)

Yes, the entire thing was meant to be humerous to those who have been around a while.  Fr. Ambrose (Irish Hermit) held that Trullo was less than Ecumenical.  That is my point, that there is no such thing as a 1/2 Ecumenical Council, which I think I made clear.  The Vatican does claim that there are partial ecumenical councils (Basle, Constance, etc).

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.  

Since you have already taken the joy out of this litany of posts (one of my pet peeves), I refuse to explain the humor of a word such as "archsemiheresy" in this context  laugh  Wink


Sheesh....what a grouch   laugh Wink!

Awww....c'mon, Fahder.... laugh
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« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2012, 03:27:23 PM »

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.  

Nuh-uh (or nuh'uh Grin).

Superb usage of The Apostrophe, Peter  Wink!
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« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2012, 04:05:14 PM »

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.  

Nuh-uh (or nuh'uh Grin).

Superb usage of The Apostrophe, Peter  Wink!

You would hate northern and western PA.  They use "wasn't" instead of "were not," and the town of Versailles is pronounced "Vuursayyuls."   Cry
And of course, in Pittsburgh, "where you are" is pronounced "up air."   laugh
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« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2012, 04:23:18 PM »

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.   

Nuh-uh (or nuh'uh Grin).

Superb usage of The Apostrophe, Peter  Wink!

You would hate northern and western PA.  They use "wasn't" instead of "were not," and the town of Versailles is pronounced "Vuursayyuls."   Cry
And of course, in Pittsburgh, "where you are" is pronounced "up air."   laugh

I *love* Pittsburgh and western PA!!  My wife and I are thinking of moving there when certain circumstances allow.  So...consider that fair warning  Grin!

As for the pronunciations, etc....I've learned Hebrew, Texan, British English, and am working on Russian, so I might just be able to squeak by up there  Grin.

Now...please, Fahder, I beg you.....what on earth is an ""archsemiheresy"?  (I promise never again to criticize your incorrect usage of "fewer" and "less".  I promise!!  Really!!!)   Grin
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« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2012, 09:55:04 PM »

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.   

Nuh-uh (or nuh'uh Grin).

Superb usage of The Apostrophe, Peter  Wink!

You would hate northern and western PA.  They use "wasn't" instead of "were not," and the town of Versailles is pronounced "Vuursayyuls."   Cry
And of course, in Pittsburgh, "where you are" is pronounced "up air."   laugh

I have lived in the 'Burgh for twenty years and this sort of thing drives me nuts. They can pronounce Duquesne properly but massacre Coraopolis and DuBois as badly as Versailles.
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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2012, 09:37:42 AM »

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.   

Nuh-uh (or nuh'uh Grin).

Superb usage of The Apostrophe, Peter  Wink!

You would hate northern and western PA.  They use "wasn't" instead of "were not," and the town of Versailles is pronounced "Vuursayyuls."   Cry
And of course, in Pittsburgh, "where you are" is pronounced "up air."   laugh

I have lived in the 'Burgh for twenty years and this sort of thing drives me nuts. They can pronounce Duquesne properly but massacre Coraopolis and DuBois as badly as Versailles.

Ah, yes, I forgot about Dooboys.   Sad
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« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2012, 10:15:08 AM »

The simplicity of the statement "we have less whole numbers..." etc. implied that such an argument is childish, like one among 8 year olds:  "You have less marbles than me," response, "nu uh, I got more than you," hence the emoticon following.  If you think that such an argument is mature and wish to dignify the argument by making it grammatically correct, I suppose you can do so.   

Nuh-uh (or nuh'uh Grin).

Superb usage of The Apostrophe, Peter  Wink!

You would hate northern and western PA.  They use "wasn't" instead of "were not," and the town of Versailles is pronounced "Vuursayyuls."   Cry
And of course, in Pittsburgh, "where you are" is pronounced "up air."   laugh

I have lived in the 'Burgh for twenty years and this sort of thing drives me nuts. They can pronounce Duquesne properly but massacre Coraopolis and DuBois as badly as Versailles.

Folks is folks, ain't they?  I lived in Israel for 5 years and met numerous people there who had been there for as long as 20 or 30 years or longer and could barely put together a coherent sentence in Hebrew!
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