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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2012, 01:30:42 PM »
In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

Etc.

I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2012, 01:32:43 PM »
In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

Etc.

I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.
I think Gebre meant "Blond hair/blue eyed whites".

Most importantly, Gebre AND Gabriel agree with me for once.

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Bio-pics are usually the worst genre of film and this looks worse than most.

An absurd trailer to be sure.
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2012, 01:33:44 PM »
How doctrinally sound is "City of God?"

What a weird way to begin to read a text.
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2012, 01:44:52 PM »
Blessed Augustin isn't accepted as a Saint throughout all of Eastern Orthodoxy.  Some say 'yes', some say 'no.'

 Can you find a "no" from before the 20th century?
No, I haven't tried and probably won't as I wasn't propagating the argument but merely shedding light on the fact that he isn't considered a saint by all Eastern Orthodox.  If you took that to mean me, you should've inquired further.
 
Also, "Blessed" and "Saint" are synonymous.
In all cases?  Fr. Seraphim of Platina, who wrote a very balanced biography on Augustine used "Blessed" instead of "Saint".

The used of the title "Blessed" to mean "not-quite-a-saint" is a Roman Catholic practice (DUN DUN DUN!).
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2012, 01:52:13 PM »
There are a few different descriptors used... saint, venerable, blessed, protomartyr, etc. Just because someone has a title attached to their name other than "saint" that doesn't mean that they aren't a saint. Orthodoxwiki has an article titled "Apostle Stephen the Protomartyr," for example, of course not meaning to deny that he is a saint.
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2012, 02:22:23 AM »
In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

Etc.

I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.


But St. Augustine wasn't Roman.



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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2012, 03:18:13 AM »
A few things:

1. St. Augustine is commemorated, IIRC, in both the English Holy Transfiguration Monastery Menaion and in the Simonopetra Synaxarion.  Though both editions have tried to include a wide range of Orthodox saints, their editorial integrity is AFAIK as good as anything out there in the Orthodox world.  That IMO should really settle the issue. 

2. As for Northern Africans, the wikipedia page quotes genetic studies stating that the vast majority of the population of modern Tunisia - be they "Arab" or "Berber" have been found to be genetically similar.   This means that most Tunisian "Arabs" are actually culturally Arab Muslim Berbers (if you want to make such a distinction - in fact, I'd imagine similar is true throughout most the Arab world, to include the Egyptians according to wikipedia).  The Berbers have been acknowledged to be the predominant people in the area since the Greeks first wrote on the area.   

This implies to me that North Africans during Roman times were, with exceptions for traders, soldiers and their descendants, and other migrants, mostly Latin-speaking, toga wearing Berbers.  I would not expect them to look much like sub-saharan Africans.  And yes, they would have been considered Romans - in particular, Augustine was a Roman citizen who apparently felt quite at home when he moved to Rome. 

[that being said, I'd guess that availability of actors/extras vice any sort of historical inquiry is the primary factor in how the North Africans of this movie look.  And as another interesting aside, the wikipedia "research" I did for this states that examination of Egyptian Pharaoh Rameses II's mummy reveals he was a red head]
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2012, 05:51:54 PM »
A few things:

1. St. Augustine is commemorated, IIRC, in both the English Holy Transfiguration Monastery Menaion and in the Simonopetra Synaxarion.  Though both editions have tried to include a wide range of Orthodox saints, their editorial integrity is AFAIK as good as anything out there in the Orthodox world.  That IMO should really settle the issue. 

2. As for Northern Africans, the wikipedia page quotes genetic studies stating that the vast majority of the population of modern Tunisia - be they "Arab" or "Berber" have been found to be genetically similar.   This means that most Tunisian "Arabs" are actually culturally Arab Muslim Berbers (if you want to make such a distinction - in fact, I'd imagine similar is true throughout most the Arab world, to include the Egyptians according to wikipedia).  The Berbers have been acknowledged to be the predominant people in the area since the Greeks first wrote on the area.   

This implies to me that North Africans during Roman times were, with exceptions for traders, soldiers and their descendants, and other migrants, mostly Latin-speaking, toga wearing Berbers.  I would not expect them to look much like sub-saharan Africans.  And yes, they would have been considered Romans - in particular, Augustine was a Roman citizen who apparently felt quite at home when he moved to Rome. 

[that being said, I'd guess that availability of actors/extras vice any sort of historical inquiry is the primary factor in how the North Africans of this movie look.  And as another interesting aside, the wikipedia "research" I did for this states that examination of Egyptian Pharaoh Rameses II's mummy reveals he was a red head]

Rameses II was a ginger?!

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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2012, 02:20:40 AM »

Rameses II was a ginger?!

Apparently so:

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Microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II's hair proved that the king's hair was originally red, which suggests that he came from a family of redheads.  This has more than just cosmetic significance: in ancient Egypt people with red hair were associated with the god Seth, the slayer of Osiris, and the name of Ramesses II's father, Seti I, means "follower of Seth.

Oddly enough, I know a few redheaded Egyptians.
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And for the rest of my life to please Thee
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2013, 03:42:33 AM »
I watched the full thing on youtube today and I have to say, it was pretty bad...It's basically just a badly done bastardization of The Confessions that traded accuracy for entertainment value. For example, the tension between St. Augustine and his father was highly exaggerated in the film. Over all, the whole thing reeks of a classic Evangelical "born again experience" bend. It's a good tear jerker, but really, nothing else. You're better off just reading the book.
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2013, 11:34:56 AM »
youtube trailer here:
http://youtu.be/yAWJFbUYT_w


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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2015, 01:46:06 PM »
Wow $22 for the DVD, no bluray and no vod version? this will not do...

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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2015, 02:49:29 PM »
I watched the full thing on youtube today and I have to say, it was pretty bad...It's basically just a badly done bastardization of The Confessions that traded accuracy for entertainment value. For example, the tension between St. Augustine and his father was highly exaggerated in the film. Over all, the whole thing reeks of a classic Evangelical "born again experience" bend. It's a good tear jerker, but really, nothing else. You're better off just reading the book.

your breaking my heart, it's that bad? I dread to see it then, anybody hear about the Dante Inferno movie coming out?
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2015, 03:03:18 PM »
In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

Etc.

I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.


But St. Augustine wasn't Roman.



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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2015, 03:42:56 PM »
There used to be some good short films on the lives of the saints. I ordered some tapes from Greece once. They were old films, so not in the best condition, but for short dramas they were entertaining. It's too expensive to get the shipping from eBay nowadays, and I don't have a working VCR anymore, but who knows. I think the lives of many saints make for interesting stories. Maybe there will be more such movies in the future.

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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2015, 04:20:43 PM »
I found it to be an excellent movie.

No, it's not a substitute for his works or even for a more educated biography. And I don't think it's meant to be that.

It's a movie, that will entertain people with a healthy topic adding some tweets of St. Augustine wisdom in the middle. Much better than watching things like actual soap operas or "drama" movies.

Let me put in perspective. I remember reading once that around 15-20% of the people in Nasa were there because of Start Trek alone. That's an awful lot of people in the same place because of what is - sorry trekkers - a badly done barely (if at all) scientific sci-fi series.

These things *do* inspire some people at least to go for the real thing. And I'd rather have thousands of people with a shallow notion of St. Augustine, and a couple who start a real Christian life than hundreds of thousands of trekkers and some hundreds who become real scientists.
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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2015, 09:13:16 PM »
The film can be viewed on youtube:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltUxyOUN6Yo

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy7kishOwv8

And don't forget about St. Patrick!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndUfgHopiPI

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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2015, 10:00:07 AM »
Let me put in perspective. I remember reading once that around 15-20% of the people in Nasa were there because of Start Trek alone. That's an awful lot of people in the same place because of what is - sorry trekkers - a badly done barely (if at all) scientific sci-fi series.

Star Trek has phaser fights, miniskirts, hot green chicks, and shirtless Mr. Sulu. Does Restless Heart have comparable perks?

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Re: Restless Heart: The Confessions of Augustine (movie/this fall)
« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2015, 06:31:35 AM »
Well, I watched about three minutes of it and it just looked awful on every artistic level. I couldn't watch any more. And I really am interested in the story. Augustine's "Confessions" is one of my favorite books. Even though I have serious problems with some of his theology, St. Augustine's life deserves to be made into a quality film. But alas, this one wasn't it.


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