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« on: June 15, 2012, 12:55:38 AM »

youtube trailer here:
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 01:04:23 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 01:14:03 AM »

I was so hoping this was about the Augustin in Chicago...
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 01:43:33 AM »

I've always imagined St. Augustine to be black...

Aside from that, I think this looks really interesting. I would definitely see it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 02:48:46 AM »

I can't wait to see it Cheesy St. Augustine is the best saint ever!

EDIT: I don't like the way they've portrayed St. Monica; she does not look or seem to act as humble and meek as she is known to be. Also, I concede on my previous point; St. Monica is actually the greatest saint ever.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 02:51:05 AM »

I can't wait to see it Cheesy St. Augustine is the best saint ever!

Same for me !  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 07:44:01 AM »

"It is impossible that the son of so many tears should perish."  Cool
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 08:43:51 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 09:41:15 AM »

I can't wait to see it Cheesy St. Augustine is the best saint ever!

EDIT: I don't like the way they've portrayed St. Monica; she does not look or seem to act as humble and meek as she is known to be. Also, I concede on my previous point; St. Monica is actually the greatest saint ever.

Where do you get this idea that St. Monica is portrayed in such a way?  She has one line in the trailer and the only other time we see her is when she's embracing her son at the end.

This certainly looks worthwhile.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 09:57:50 AM »

it looks very well done, certainly a timely story.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 01:22:02 PM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 01:35:21 PM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

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Reasons?

I think it was a good trailer.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2012, 02:14:51 PM »

This movie looks amazing. I know what movie I'll campaign to see  Cool
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2012, 02:15:36 PM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

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Why? I really have no understanding of how one could not get excited for this movie.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 02:25:30 PM »

I wonder if it will have the part where he stole fruit from poor people and threw it to pigs   Wink
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2012, 05:09:13 AM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

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It's gonna be a cinemastic masterpiece and you know it!
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2012, 07:30:08 AM »

It is going to be really, really bad.  Is there any hope that it might be so bad that it is hilarious?
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Soon  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2012, 05:03:41 PM »

First- The trailer looks silly.  I wasn't aware that North Africans/Meditteranean folks were so white. 

Second- Why do the Latins pronounce his name as Uh-GUHS-tin instead of AH-goo-steen?

Third-  Blessed Augustin isn't accepted as a Saint throughout all of Eastern Orthodoxy.  Some say 'yes', some say 'no.'
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2012, 05:58:17 PM »

Cool. Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2012, 07:20:33 PM »

I look forward to seeing it, even though I am a bit ashamed to say that I know little about St. Augustine.  Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2012, 07:49:35 PM »

I look forward to seeing it, even though I am a bit ashamed to say that I know little about St. Augustine.  Tongue
Start reading more. He is an incredible saint and my appreciation and respect for him increased even more by reading his biography and his works. Don't believe the hype about the negative light the Orthodox Church sheds on him.
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I look forward to seeing it, even though I am a bit ashamed to say that I know little about St. Augustine.  Tongue
Start reading more. He is an incredible saint and my appreciation and respect for him increased even more by reading his biography and his works. Don't believe the hype about the negative light the Orthodox Church sheds on him.

I'm not advocating ignoring his works; by all means read him.  However, the Orthodox Church has condemned some of his theology and, therefore, one has to be careful.  I think it's telling when the Reformers love reading and quoting him.  I think if you're an Eastern Orthodox Christian, you need to seriouly consider how and why the Church arrived at it's conclusions. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2012, 08:34:53 PM »

Augustinianism didn't become much of an issue until the Franks, but to solely focus on that rather than say his Confessions is disingenuous to say the least. The latter is one of the greatest Christian writings ever made and it's influence has hardly diminished.

But seriously I've never understood why the Orthodox Church has been so unfairly harsh towards St. Augustine. St. Jerome did alot more damage than him, yet he hardly gets a bad rap.

However then again the Orthodox Church would rather glorify saints like Nichols II and Justinian so...
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But seriously I've never understood why the Orthodox Church has been so unfairly harsh towards St. Augustine.

I come to his defense all the time...  angel
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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2012, 08:53:58 PM »

But seriously I've never understood why the Orthodox Church has been so unfairly harsh towards St. Augustine.

I come to his defense all the time...  angel
I kind of leave it up to JamesR now.
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But seriously I've never understood why the Orthodox Church has been so unfairly harsh towards St. Augustine.

I come to his defense all the time...  angel
I kind of leave it up to JamesR now.

The next time someone really challenges on this I'm gonna redo/compile my older posts... just need the motivation  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2012, 09:41:51 PM »

I don't know much about Augustine, since I have been concentrating on the East.  Can anyone recommend a good biography, or, if I had only time to read one work by him, which one?
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2012, 09:51:02 PM »

I don't know much about Augustine, since I have been concentrating on the East.  Can anyone recommend a good biography, or, if I had only time to read one work by him, which one?

Read his Confessions and then City of God.

Everything else pales in comparison.
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2012, 09:59:56 PM »

Pretty much what Schultz said. I haven't read his On The Trinity yet, but it's on my to-do list.

Frankly City of God is very much worth reading, I enjoyed his take on Hell.
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I look forward to seeing it, even though I am a bit ashamed to say that I know little about St. Augustine.  Tongue
Start reading more. He is an incredible saint and my appreciation and respect for him increased even more by reading his biography and his works. Don't believe the hype about the negative light the Orthodox Church sheds on him.

I don't think it's possible for me to read anymore than I already do. Grin But I thank you for the recommendation and think I'd better get a copy of Confessions. It's been on my to-read list for too long.
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2012, 10:19:18 PM »

If you don't know Latin, this is the best translation currently available:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Confessions-Augustine-Translation-Century/dp/1565480848
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Third-  Blessed Augustin isn't accepted as a Saint throughout all of Eastern Orthodoxy.  Some say 'yes', some say 'no.'

They can choose to not accept his Sainthood all they want but the fact that an Ecumenical Council clearly stated that he is Saint would like to have a word with them. Plus, why do we blame Augustine for everything? He corrected many of the errors he made in his 'Retractions' and most of the heretical 'Augustinian' notions came not directly from St. Augustine but from Anselm's interpretation of the works of St. Augustine.
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2012, 10:53:43 PM »

As a recovering alcoholic I identify with Augustine very much, whether he is a saint or not.  I'm almost happy that he's not recognized as a saint by the OC.  It makes him that much more special to me and even easier to identify with.

I also admire his mother.  Isn't she the patron saint of alcoholics?
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2012, 11:03:29 PM »

As a recovering alcoholic I identify with Augustine very much, whether he is a saint or not.  I'm almost happy that he's not recognized as a saint by the OC.  It makes him that much more special to me and even easier to identify with.

I also admire his mother.  Isn't she the patron saint of alcoholics?
Well he was considered a Father of the Church at the 5th Ecumenical Council, but the system of canonization wasn't done until later. However the Fathers in that decree are saints so if the shoe fits.
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If I recall correctly, St. Augustine was actually mentioned by the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th Ecumenical Councils, never in a negative way.
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If I recall correctly, St. Augustine was actually mentioned by the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th Ecumenical Councils, never in a negative way.
Further evidence of how large his influence is, and like you said in a positive manner.

Honestly it would be better to question St. Jerome, who I believe was one of the princpal people involved in the Great Schism than St. Augustine. The former thought he knew better than the Church.
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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2012, 11:15:08 PM »

How doctrinally sound is "City of God?"
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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2012, 11:18:25 PM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

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I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.


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Honestly it would be better to question St. Jerome,

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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2012, 12:12:33 AM »

I'm assuming this will be going straight to DVD. Too bad, a good movie on a figure like Blessed Augustine would've been great.

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How doctrinally sound is "City of God?"
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2012, 11:30:59 AM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

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I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2012, 11:33:51 AM »

Blessed Augustin isn't accepted as a Saint throughout all of Eastern Orthodoxy.  Some say 'yes', some say 'no.'

To everyone who matters, it's a "yes." Can you find a "no" from before the 20th century?

Also, "Blessed" and "Saint" are synonymous. The used of the title "Blessed" to mean "not-quite-a-saint" is a Roman Catholic practice (DUN DUN DUN!).
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2012, 11:59:26 AM »

That I didn't know of this earlier, is outrage!!!  The movie looks like something I will want to see.

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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2012, 01:30:42 PM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

Etc.

I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.
I think Gebre meant "Blond hair/blue eyed whites".
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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2012, 01:32:43 PM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

Etc.

I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.
I think Gebre meant "Blond hair/blue eyed whites".

Most importantly, Gebre AND Gabriel agree with me for once.

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Bio-pics are usually the worst genre of film and this looks worse than most.

An absurd trailer to be sure.
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2012, 01:33:44 PM »

How doctrinally sound is "City of God?"

What a weird way to begin to read a text.
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« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2012, 01:44:52 PM »

Blessed Augustin isn't accepted as a Saint throughout all of Eastern Orthodoxy.  Some say 'yes', some say 'no.'

 Can you find a "no" from before the 20th century?
No, I haven't tried and probably won't as I wasn't propagating the argument but merely shedding light on the fact that he isn't considered a saint by all Eastern Orthodox.  If you took that to mean me, you should've inquired further.
 
Also, "Blessed" and "Saint" are synonymous.
In all cases?  Fr. Seraphim of Platina, who wrote a very balanced biography on Augustine used "Blessed" instead of "Saint".

The used of the title "Blessed" to mean "not-quite-a-saint" is a Roman Catholic practice (DUN DUN DUN!).
Interesting.  Where can I read more about this?
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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2012, 01:52:13 PM »

There are a few different descriptors used... saint, venerable, blessed, protomartyr, etc. Just because someone has a title attached to their name other than "saint" that doesn't mean that they aren't a saint. Orthodoxwiki has an article titled "Apostle Stephen the Protomartyr," for example, of course not meaning to deny that he is a saint.
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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2012, 02:22:23 AM »

In case, I wasn't clear above.

This looks terrible.

Awful.

Horrible.

Etc.

I'm afraid I agree with you. I'll probably still watch it, but it doesn't look very well done to me. Why does every religious movie portray Africans as European? Bizarre.

The Romans inhabiting North Africa were generally of European descent.


But St. Augustine wasn't Roman.



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« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2012, 03:18:13 AM »

A few things:

1. St. Augustine is commemorated, IIRC, in both the English Holy Transfiguration Monastery Menaion and in the Simonopetra Synaxarion.  Though both editions have tried to include a wide range of Orthodox saints, their editorial integrity is AFAIK as good as anything out there in the Orthodox world.  That IMO should really settle the issue. 

2. As for Northern Africans, the wikipedia page quotes genetic studies stating that the vast majority of the population of modern Tunisia - be they "Arab" or "Berber" have been found to be genetically similar.   This means that most Tunisian "Arabs" are actually culturally Arab Muslim Berbers (if you want to make such a distinction - in fact, I'd imagine similar is true throughout most the Arab world, to include the Egyptians according to wikipedia).  The Berbers have been acknowledged to be the predominant people in the area since the Greeks first wrote on the area.   

This implies to me that North Africans during Roman times were, with exceptions for traders, soldiers and their descendants, and other migrants, mostly Latin-speaking, toga wearing Berbers.  I would not expect them to look much like sub-saharan Africans.  And yes, they would have been considered Romans - in particular, Augustine was a Roman citizen who apparently felt quite at home when he moved to Rome. 

[that being said, I'd guess that availability of actors/extras vice any sort of historical inquiry is the primary factor in how the North Africans of this movie look.  And as another interesting aside, the wikipedia "research" I did for this states that examination of Egyptian Pharaoh Rameses II's mummy reveals he was a red head]
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« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2012, 05:51:54 PM »

A few things:

1. St. Augustine is commemorated, IIRC, in both the English Holy Transfiguration Monastery Menaion and in the Simonopetra Synaxarion.  Though both editions have tried to include a wide range of Orthodox saints, their editorial integrity is AFAIK as good as anything out there in the Orthodox world.  That IMO should really settle the issue. 

2. As for Northern Africans, the wikipedia page quotes genetic studies stating that the vast majority of the population of modern Tunisia - be they "Arab" or "Berber" have been found to be genetically similar.   This means that most Tunisian "Arabs" are actually culturally Arab Muslim Berbers (if you want to make such a distinction - in fact, I'd imagine similar is true throughout most the Arab world, to include the Egyptians according to wikipedia).  The Berbers have been acknowledged to be the predominant people in the area since the Greeks first wrote on the area.   

This implies to me that North Africans during Roman times were, with exceptions for traders, soldiers and their descendants, and other migrants, mostly Latin-speaking, toga wearing Berbers.  I would not expect them to look much like sub-saharan Africans.  And yes, they would have been considered Romans - in particular, Augustine was a Roman citizen who apparently felt quite at home when he moved to Rome. 

[that being said, I'd guess that availability of actors/extras vice any sort of historical inquiry is the primary factor in how the North Africans of this movie look.  And as another interesting aside, the wikipedia "research" I did for this states that examination of Egyptian Pharaoh Rameses II's mummy reveals he was a red head]

Rameses II was a ginger?!
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« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2012, 02:20:40 AM »


Rameses II was a ginger?!

Apparently so:

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Microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II's hair proved that the king's hair was originally red, which suggests that he came from a family of redheads.  This has more than just cosmetic significance: in ancient Egypt people with red hair were associated with the god Seth, the slayer of Osiris, and the name of Ramesses II's father, Seti I, means "follower of Seth.

Oddly enough, I know a few redheaded Egyptians.
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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2013, 03:42:33 AM »

I watched the full thing on youtube today and I have to say, it was pretty bad...It's basically just a badly done bastardization of The Confessions that traded accuracy for entertainment value. For example, the tension between St. Augustine and his father was highly exaggerated in the film. Over all, the whole thing reeks of a classic Evangelical "born again experience" bend. It's a good tear jerker, but really, nothing else. You're better off just reading the book.
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« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2013, 11:34:56 AM »


This has been spoken of again, and thus the circle is completed...
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