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We now have a Deacon, but...
« on: June 14, 2012, 07:51:45 PM »
How do I address him?  Do I shake his hand?  Give him a High Five? 
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2012, 07:53:08 PM »
How do I address him?  Do I shake his hand?  Give him a High Five? 

Sure, shake his hand, give him a high five!

Address him as "brother or deacon".
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 08:00:20 PM »
How do I address him?  Do I shake his hand?  Give him a High Five? 

Sure, shake his hand, give him a high five!

Address him as "brother or deacon".

"Father-Deacon" or "Father" are correct forms of address, if you worry about such things.

Greeks will generally kiss the hand of a deacon, while Slavs will not (or so I understand).
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 08:48:52 PM »
Thanks, fellas.  I'm not so much worried per se, I just don't want to make him feel uncomfortable by this hillbilly.  :)
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 11:19:54 PM »
do what everyone else does :P

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2012, 11:22:43 PM »
Thanks, fellas.  I'm not so much worried per se, I just don't want to make him feel uncomfortable by this hillbilly.  :)

If you are anywhere near as obscene in real life as those gyrating hips are in your avatar, then I'd just avoid him altogether!

But yeah... I'd just go with "Dcn. X" unless everyone was doing something different, but that's just me.

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 11:38:43 PM »
The most common address at my parish was:  "You're a deacon?"
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2012, 11:50:10 PM »
The most common address at my parish was:  "You're a deacon?"

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 07:28:25 PM »
I guess I always found my self saying Deacon-X.. but otherwise I would say Father. I do not think its the best idea to just do as everyone else does.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 07:33:33 PM »
How about "Father Deacon"?  Calling him "Deacon X" has a Black Muslim-y feel to it.  :P :)
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 07:37:57 PM »
How about "Father Deacon"?  Calling him "Deacon X" has a Black Muslim-y feel to it.  :P :)

haha funny. But I meant to replace X with his name. So if his name is Joseph, for example, call him Deacon Joseph, or else, call him Father.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 09:19:48 PM »
At our church, the deacon changes regularly, as well as sometimes the position of deacon is filled by a seminarian who grew up in our parish (I know his younger brothers rather well). Since the deacon is generally this person who we know, many people just call him by his name. When we have another deacon, Father Deacon is appropriate.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2012, 09:24:10 PM »
At our church, the deacon changes regularly, as well as sometimes the position of deacon is filled by a seminarian who grew up in our parish (I know his younger brothers rather well). Since the deacon is generally this person who we know, many people just call him by his name. When we have another deacon, Father Deacon is appropriate.

Defiantly agree with the above.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2012, 09:33:02 PM »
How about "Father Deacon"?  Calling him "Deacon X" has a Black Muslim-y feel to it.  :P :)

Amen  :angel:   um... what?

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 10:26:47 PM »
How about "Father Deacon"?  Calling him "Deacon X" has a Black Muslim-y feel to it.  :P :)

Amen  :angel:   um... what?
That's an interesting theme...I'm guessing that was before my time  ;D
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2012, 10:47:04 PM »
^Went off the air sometime in the early 90's I think.  It's just the first thing I thought of when I saw Gabriel's post, don't know why.

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2012, 11:01:26 PM »
^Went off the air sometime in the early 90's I think.  It's just the first thing I thought of when I saw Gabriel's post, don't know why.
It seems like the correlation could be logical :)
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2012, 11:25:37 PM »
How do I address him?  Do I shake his hand?  Give him a High Five? 

Sure, shake his hand, give him a high five!

Address him as "brother or deacon".

"Father-Deacon" or "Father" are correct forms of address, if you worry about such things.

Greeks will generally kiss the hand of a deacon, while Slavs will not (or so I understand).

It is not protocol among Greek style Orthodox Christians to kiss the hand of a deacon, who does not have the liturgical authority to "bless."
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2012, 11:58:21 PM »
How do I address him?  Do I shake his hand?  Give him a High Five? 

Give him a high five.  Just like when Deacon Earnest Fry does the up high and down low with Clarence, as Clarence says "yo Deak." 

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2012, 12:00:54 AM »
How do I address him?  Do I shake his hand?  Give him a High Five? 

Sure, shake his hand, give him a high five!

Address him as "brother or deacon".

"Father-Deacon" or "Father" are correct forms of address, if you worry about such things.

Greeks will generally kiss the hand of a deacon, while Slavs will not (or so I understand).

It is not protocol among Greek style Orthodox Christians to kiss the hand of a deacon, who does not have the liturgical authority to "bless."

Nor among anyone that I know.  Again, the Amen Philadelphia high five will work just fine (remember, "yo Deak"). 

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2012, 06:13:57 AM »
Deacons are usually very tall...
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2012, 07:18:29 AM »
I've never seen people kissing a deacon's hand in a Greek church.

Deacons are usually very tall...

Ours is about 5 feet. Tiny fella.

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2012, 07:20:52 AM »
I once saw a fella do a kind of high five priest blessing thing. The priest low fived the other's cupped hand and then the man receiving the blessing kissed it.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2012, 07:24:26 AM »
I once saw a fella do a kind of high five priest blessing thing. The priest low fived the other's cupped hand and then the man receiving the blessing kissed it.

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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2012, 07:43:05 AM »
I've never seen people kissing a deacon's hand in a Greek church.

Deacons are usually very tall...

Ours is about 5 feet. Tiny fella.

In real I've never seen one smaller than 6.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2012, 08:42:24 PM »
I've never seen people kissing a deacon's hand in a Greek church.

Deacons are usually very tall...

Ours is about 5 feet. Tiny fella.

Hmmm, I always thought it odd, but I have been instructed on multiple occasions to kiss the deacon's hand.

What about during liturgy? For example, when handing him the censer?
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2012, 08:47:24 PM »
What about during liturgy? For example, when handing him the censer?

We don't.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2012, 08:51:52 PM »
What about during liturgy? For example, when handing him the censer?

We don't.

I also thought it was improper, and refrained from so doing, until "corrected".

It's probable the people who have "corrected" me are simply wrong, so to Gabriel -- please just listen to everyone else in this thread, hah.
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Re: We now have a Deacon, but...
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2012, 09:12:51 PM »
I've also never seen / heard of anyone kiss a deacons hand
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2012, 09:14:36 PM »
While we're on the topic, isn't it easier for the Slavs to tell deacons from priests outside of the liturgical context due to the pectoral cross?
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