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The Righteous Gentiles?
« on: June 10, 2012, 01:21:16 PM »
Christ describes in the Gospels how in the end times, people outside the Church "will hate one another" and "the love of many will grow cold." Contrary to this, with rising secularism we've witnessed increased tolerance and humanitarianism in liberal churches. How can we reconcile this apparent contradiction?

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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2012, 01:25:48 PM »
Maybe(and this is a maybe) we are not in the end times.
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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2012, 01:30:40 PM »
Maybe(and this is a maybe) we are not in the end times.

But considering the trend I mentioned it's counterintuitive. As Christianity loses influence we should be seeing more hatred and intolerance, not less, even if we're not yet in the "end times."
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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2012, 01:36:13 PM »
Maybe(and this is a maybe) we are not in the end times.

But considering the trend I mentioned it's counterintuitive. As Christianity loses influence we should be seeing more hatred and intolerance, not less, even if we're not yet in the "end times."

I wouldn't say so necessarily. Christianity might be losing influence but the culture and mindset in the western world is still based largely on the christian faith.
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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 01:53:10 PM »
Maybe(and this is a maybe) we are not in the end times.

But considering the trend I mentioned it's counterintuitive. As Christianity loses influence we should be seeing more hatred and intolerance, not less, even if we're not yet in the "end times."

I wouldn't say so necessarily. Christianity might be losing influence but the culture and mindset in the western world is still based largely on the christian faith.

Even so, that would seem to be a victory for liberal Christianity. But maybe there is a lag and the worst is yet to come? Sure there is more profligacy and spiritual isolation but I can't see society ripping itself apart at this point.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2012, 02:00:31 PM »
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But maybe there is a lag and the worst is yet to come?

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Sure there is more profligacy and spiritual isolation but I can't see society ripping itself apart at this point.
I agree. The World have been in much deeper trouble than it is now.
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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2012, 03:41:09 PM »
Christ describes in the Gospels how in the end times, people outside the Church "will hate one another" and "the love of many will grow cold." Contrary to this, with rising secularism we've witnessed increased tolerance and humanitarianism in liberal churches. How can we reconcile this apparent contradiction?
We just finished a century that contained the most genocide and bloodshed in human history. That's a lot of hate and coldness.

I'd say some tolerant attitudes by the episcopalians aren't enough to brush all that aside.
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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2012, 04:06:39 PM »
The all-inclusiveness of liberal Christianity that tells people it's all right to live as they desire and pay no attention to the ideas of sin or asceticism because truth is their own and no one else can dictate it to them is, in my opinion, hardly the true Christian love of the Gospel.
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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2012, 04:38:01 PM »
Christ describes in the Gospels how in the end times, people outside the Church "will hate one another" and "the love of many will grow cold." Contrary to this, with rising secularism we've witnessed increased tolerance and humanitarianism in liberal churches. How can we reconcile this apparent contradiction?

Tolerance is just hate without assault.
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Re: The Righteous Gentiles?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2012, 06:54:56 PM »
The all-inclusiveness of liberal Christianity that tells people it's all right to live as they desire and pay no attention to the ideas of sin or asceticism because truth is their own and no one else can dictate it to them is, in my opinion, hardly the true Christian love of the Gospel.

Thank you, this is what I needed. Although it's still a ways off from the hatred alluded to by Christ.