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Offline pious1

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Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« on: June 08, 2012, 04:05:13 PM »
Anyone familiar with this "bishop" I know he has no affiliation with the UOCUSA, UOCC, or UOCKP. It states he is the rep of the UAOC (Ukrainian Autocephalaus Church under Met Mefodiy) but if this is the type of fruit loop that the UAOC appoints in the US, no wonder the UOCUSA renounced autocephally back in 1995.
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 04:07:27 PM »
Hasn't he been on here before?  I remember some vagante bishop coming on here in the past couple years defending his ecclessial community.
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 05:21:57 PM »
Nope, my bad.  Wrong Bishop Michael.
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 05:23:41 PM »
Fruitloop? Lol.

Tell me about this guy, whats his deal? I don't know anything about him.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 05:24:02 PM »
Hasn't he been on here before?  I remember some vagante bishop coming on here in the past couple years defending his ecclessial community.

Was that the Swedish guy?
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2012, 04:50:24 AM »
While I think I know of him from elsewhere (trying to remember where and when), the OP's characterization of the gentleman in the thread title - unsupported by anything that I see anywhere in the links offered - seems a bit extreme and possibly actionable were he so inclined.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2012, 05:03:49 AM »
ok - I'm seeing where the OP was coming from ...

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An Interview - this is a cached link to a blog that apparently isn't o/l any longer, so it may not work ...

the last link above tells me where I've heard the name before ...

before he ukrainianized his name, he was just plain old Bishop Michael Champion - still UOAC-C - but also Archbishop of the Iglesia Liberación Latina - a joint effort reportedly by the Reformed Church in America and the UAOC-C

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2012, 06:10:00 AM »
I'm not sure what is supposed to occur at this point. There is this "bishop", he's gay, he wants to spread the word of Christ amongst "inmigrant and marginalized people" and we're supposed to do what?

I just don't understand the problem.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2012, 08:19:52 AM »
It states he is the rep of the UAOC (Ukrainian Autocephalaus Church under Met Mefodiy)

Only since 2005, if I'm understanding Wikipedia rightly

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In 2004–2005 In UAOC-Sobornopravna in the USA took place the events that changed cardinally the status of UAOC-Sobornopravna in Ukraine. UAOC-Sobornopravna of North and South America became UAOC of North and South America and Diaspora and, headed by metropolitan Michael (Yavchak-Champion) joined with UAOC in Ukraine, declaring Metropolitan Mefodiy (Kudriakov) to be their Primate.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2012, 08:55:17 PM »
Well, I don't think that any gay Bishop would be widely accepted in all the EO faith.  :)

Since an EO bishop is celibate,  I don't see why "Gay" would even come into play.
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2012, 01:26:35 AM »
Looks like OP just hates Gay's.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 10:14:41 AM »
Looks like OP just hates Gay's.

I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church. Also I was curious if there is actually any presence of his UAOC here in the states as I was unable via google to find any parishes and his website www.uaoc.org looks outdated and not kept up the past few years. I'm also curious as to who ordained him because although his websites claim being part of the UOAC in Ukraine under Met Mefodiy, I see no evidence. Maybe he is a breakaway renegade bishop like Archbishop Ihor Ischienko formerly of the UAOC in Ukraine but who now leads his own branch in Kharkiv of maybe 20 parishes.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 10:26:12 AM »
I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church.

Why? As long as he is not advocating non-Orthodox ethics why should his sexual orientation bother anyone?
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2012, 10:35:49 AM »
I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church.

Why? As long as he is not advocating non-Orthodox ethics why should his sexual orientation bother anyone?

Generally people, especially clergy, should keep their specific passions and struggles between themselves and their confessors.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 10:46:02 AM »
I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church.

Why? As long as he is not advocating non-Orthodox ethics why should his sexual orientation bother anyone?

Generally people, especially clergy, should keep their specific passions and struggles between themselves and their confessors.

I'm actually quite suprised that someone could come up with such a reasonable-ish explanation. I could agree that as a general rule but not at this point. Should hierarchs conceal their lust for women i.e. heterosexuality?

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 11:46:46 PM »
He doesn't have a beard ...
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2012, 12:06:23 AM »
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 12:12:02 AM »
And here he is with his epitrachelion on:

http://youtu.be/PEXq5C-XT-g

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2012, 12:27:08 AM »
I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church.

Why? As long as he is not advocating non-Orthodox ethics why should his sexual orientation bother anyone?

Generally people, especially clergy, should keep their specific passions and struggles between themselves and their confessors.

agreed.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2012, 10:51:23 AM »
I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church.

Why? As long as he is not advocating non-Orthodox ethics why should his sexual orientation bother anyone?

Generally people, especially clergy, should keep their specific passions and struggles between themselves and their confessors.

I'm actually quite suprised that someone could come up with such a reasonable-ish explanation. I could agree that as a general rule but not at this point. Should hierarchs conceal their lust for women i.e. heterosexuality?

Conceal? Or just not talk about it publicly. While there are few exceptions (widowed priests who became bishops, St. Augustine and what he put into the Confessions), I would say that I do not know the sexual orientation or proclivities of 99% of Orthodox bishops past or present--and I'm good with that.
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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2012, 05:05:14 PM »
This topic of sick clergy hits the nail for me on the Orthodox Church. We agree that homosexuality is a disorder, right? Why doesn't God, Jesus Christ, heal his own clergy for the sake of His own Church and His own name? Unless of course the Orthodox Church has nothing to do with Him to begin with.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2012, 05:26:03 PM »
This topic of sick clergy hits the nail for me on the Orthodox Church. We agree that homosexuality is a disorder, right? Why doesn't God, Jesus Christ, heal his own clergy for the sake of His own Church and His own name? Unless of course the Orthodox Church has nothing to do with Him to begin with.

Christ doesn't work magic for us sinners to make us well without personal effort. The clergy are just like you and me, no different, they aren't more "protected" from sin, they are still human beings with free will who are just as broken as us. God doesnt take their free will away because they are clergy...

You'll find this is true of every religion around the world and of so-called non-religions. "no man lives who does not sin"

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2012, 05:26:18 PM »
The man we are talking about is not a member of the Church.

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Re: Gay renegade Ukrainian Bishop
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2012, 06:51:16 PM »
This topic of sick clergy hits the nail for me on the Orthodox Church. We agree that homosexuality is a disorder, right? Why doesn't God, Jesus Christ, heal his own clergy for the sake of His own Church and His own name? Unless of course the Orthodox Church has nothing to do with Him to begin with.
I wouldn't categorize sin as a disorder, rather a condition.  We all have our weaknesses in this world.  What matters is our ability to deal with them.  Clergy are just as human as we are.  God will heal the Church.  Give it time.  He works on his own clock, not ours.