Yes indeed, we are talking about peoples' lives here, but that means we must be equally careful not to further provoke hostilities. I am not saying blind appeasement, but there must be compromise.
What more do the Christians have to compromise, Habte? In Egypt, they regularly forgo the justice due to them in the inherently unequal and unjust "reconciliation councils" following incidents of violence and terror committed against them, specifically to hopefully avoid further violence at the hands of enraged Muslim mobs. Yet it somehow never seems to work out that way. The attacks and degradations just keep coming. And what kinds of things enrage Muslims? Just about anything that a Christian does, and even many things that Christians absolutely do NOT do (see: the fake Camelia Shehata debacle, for which 50+ Christians in Iraq
were viciously murdered). Did you watch the video of HG Bp. Suriel? There is a reason why the message from HG is clear: "We are a patient people, but enough is enough!
" Not just in Egypt but throughout the Middle East we are one "compromise" away from just giving up and becoming Muslims. So, no, I do not believe in compromise, either. And, thank God, neither do our Bishops believe in compromise
when it comes to the right of the people to assert their right to their Christian religion. There is absolutely nothing we have to compromise on. What could we? We take the crosses off our churches so that the Muslims are not offended, and they burn them down, anyway. We produce the necessary documents to prove that we have the right to work the land legally belonging to our monasteries, and the monastery is attacked and the monks are kidnapped and tortured? What can we do? Again, there is nothing left to compromise
, save fleeing the entire region and eventually the world. That's what happens when you give fascists permission to take from you whatever they want, whether they're Muslims or whatever it is they are. Eventually, they come knocking on your door at your in the lands to which you've immigrated, after annexing them as well. I've already read reports from Copts in areas of Western Europe that have become heavily Islamicized that Muslims come to their door, telling them it is time to go to the mosque and pray.
No more compromises.
My brother, isn'tthat is what living in a society is all about?
That's what living in a civilized society is about. That's not what living in an Islamic
society is about.
In any given society, there will be diversity, but diversity by itself doesn't automatically equate to hostility or division.
Again, we're not talking about "any given society", but actual, individual Islamic societies. Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, etc. These are not "any given society", and a growing number of them are becoming increasingly (alarmingly) Islamicized in recent years, particularly following the so-called "Arab Spring" uprisings. I know people from Tunisia. They tell that the current rise of Islamism in their home country is just as foreign to them and their way of being Muslim as it would be if it were foisted upon us in the United States.
It didn't say, "Love your Christian neighbor, and be divided against those who are different."
Of course. The trouble is, the Muslims (the ones committing seemingly endless violence against us around the world for doctrinal reasons
) do not see it this way. So the problem is in fact not that Muslims are not our neighbors, but in their
reckoning, we are not theirs. They see our loving nature as weak and evidence that we are pushovers. I do not believe that we are.
I really don't understand your position, should the Arab world go back to the Jim Crow style segregation they had in the past? Should we make Muslims wear yellow Crescent and Stars to distinguish themselves in public in Western countries? Really, what do you want out the world?
My position is that we have the right -- given to us by GOD
and not through any Muslim protection, declaration, or interference -- to live and worship in our traditional lands without being beholden to the sick, power-hungry perversions of those who say that "Islam is the solution". We have the right to live in friendship and peace with all of humanity, both Christian and non-Christian, and we have the right to call every person, regardless of their background, to worship of the true God in the uncreated and undivided Holy Trinity, not by force
(as the invading Muslim armies originally spread their demonic religion into Egypt and around the world), but by both example and disputation. Unfortunately, no major Muslim school of thought agrees that we have such rights, and increasingly the rest of the world is also (out of its own ignorance of history and the danger presented to all people of conscience by violent and determined Islamic expansionism and resurgence) demanding that the Muslim's
rights to practice their faith (including the parts that subjugate non-Muslims) take precedence over our rights, as well. That is absolutely unacceptable. I seek the liquidation of no one, only the rights that are given by God to His servants and worshipers, the Christians.
Sorry, we're not going to suddenly mass convert a billion Muslims, and we surely can't go for the Final Solution
See above. I am advocating nothing of the sort.
and we also can't maintain a rigidly divided/segregated society, because that in the long run only promotes further hostility, inequality, division, and strife.
Take it up with the Muslims. They're the ones shouting "Islamiyya! Islamiyya!", "The Copts are our guests!", "Obama, Obama -- we are all Osama!" and other stupid, divisive, and threatening slogans at their dumb rallies and meetings. No one would more desire to get along and live in peace than the Christians of the Middle East. The problem is entirely
on the other side.
And yes in Egypt we saw tangible examples of this. We saw Muslims and Christians organizing, centralizing, cooperating. That fostered an environment towards unity rather then division. It was not based on politics, or ideology, or religion, it was based on the reality of the facts on the ground. Christians live there, Muslims live there, and we all need to learn to get along. Its not that we necessarily already get along, but that shouldn't stop us from trying no matter how daunting the task seems at the present junction. That takes risk and sacrifice from both sides, and it also takes a sincere leap of faith, something which we Christians should obviously have the upper hand at
You seem to have not followed subsequent events. The uprisings in Egypt and around the Middle East have done nothing to promote unity between Christians and Muslims in any long-lasting or comforting way. Rather, it has given the worst elements of these respective societies the context that they need in order to unleash their violent, regressive, hideous ideologies upon the world. And we are far fewer than they are. This is the reality of the situation. The much lauded "moderates" are quiet as church mice, as usual, and the loudest and stupidest (and most popular) of the Islamic world are busy planning for a future without us. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but some day, and sooner than they might have expected before all of this chaos happened.