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« on: June 04, 2012, 03:04:41 AM »

In your opinion, who are the top ten greatest Saints in the Church NOT mentioned in the Scriptures? This is my list, in order from least to greatest.

#10) St. Constantine

#9) St. Nicholas

#8) St. John Chrysostom

#7) St. Maximus the Confessor

#6) St. Antony of Egypt

#5) St. Moses the Ethiopian

#4) St. Augustine of Hippo

#3) St. Athanasius

#2) St. Mary of Egypt

#1) St. Monica
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2012, 03:13:49 AM »

James which Constantin is that? the Emperor?
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 03:18:32 AM »

James which Constantin is that? the Emperor?

Yes. Even though he did some bad things, I still think he deserves a spot on the list since he legalized Christianity and spread it across the empire; without him we might have died out. I still like St. Monica the best though because of her meekness and nurturing, motherly personality.
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2012, 03:23:35 AM »

James which Constantin is that? the Emperor?

Yes. Even though he did some bad things, I still think he deserves a spot on the list since he legalized Christianity and spread it across the empire; without him we might have died out. I still like St. Monica the best though because of her meekness and nurturing, motherly personality.

I think your list is interesting, and the fact that St.Monica made the first is quite lovely and endearing IMO Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2012, 03:42:03 AM »

St. Gregory
St. John
St. George
St. Basil
St. Constantine
St. Peter
St. Mary
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2012, 03:46:36 AM »

Asteriktos, you have to number them and no biblical saint allowed Tongue and you got only as far as 7 lol
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2012, 03:51:28 AM »

1.   St. Anthony
2.   St. Cyril
3.   St. Athanasius
4.   St. Ephrem the Syrian
5.   St. Shenouda the Archimandrite
6.   St. Basil the Great
7.   St. John the Short
8.   St. Moses the Ethiopian
9.   St. Mattai
10. Amma Syncletica

All the numbers after 4 are pretty much only there so that I could remember to stop when I got to 10.
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2012, 03:51:42 AM »

Asteriktos, you have to number them and no biblical saint allowed Tongue and you got only as far as 7 lol

I'm sorry Hiwot, but I did include 10, I just didn't mention which of the several St. Gregorys, St. Johns and St. Marys I meant, and none of them were biblical saints. You have to guess which saints I meant to be indicating, though. First person to guess all ten correctly gets a frozen pizza mailed to their house straight from the local Walmart! And... go! Cool
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 03:54:25 AM »

Pizza during the Apostles' fast? You devil! police

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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 04:01:17 AM »

Asteriktos, you have to number them and no biblical saint allowed Tongue and you got only as far as 7 lol

I'm sorry Hiwot, but I did include 10, I just didn't mention which of the several St. Gregorys, St. Johns and St. Marys I meant, and none of them were biblical saints. You have to guess which saints I meant to be indicating, though. First person to guess all ten correctly gets a frozen pizza mailed to their house straight from the local Walmart! And... go! Cool

Ah! hehehe ok, the first of the Gregorys should be the Theologian well I like him best, then of Nissa, St. John ofc the Goldenmouth whoelse goes before St. John of shanghai hmm? then St. Mary of Egypt. and St. Mary of Magdalene I don't know in what order though. lol how did I do?

Edit, dang it! St mary of magdalene is biblical! there I lost lol

Edit: wait wait let me think ... Smiley


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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2012, 04:21:36 AM »

While I don't like the premise of ranking Saints, I'll just list ten of my personal favorites in no particular order:

1. St. Gebre Menfes Kidus (my patron saint)
2. St. Anthony the Great
3. St. Athanasius
4. St. Moses the Ethiopian
5. St. Mary of Egypt
6. St. Tekle Haimanot
7. St. Augustine (heck, if H.H. Pope Shenouda calls him a Saint, that's good enough for me.  Wink )
8. St. Basil the Great
9. St. Cyril
10. St. John Chrysostom



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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 04:22:02 AM »

1. St. Athanasius the great,
2.St. Abba Anthony the great
3.St. Gregory the Theologian
4.St.John Chrysostom
5.St. Basil the Great
6.St. Cyrill of Alexandria
7.St. Ephraim the Syrian
8.St. Mary of Egypt
9.St. Isaac the Syrian
10.St. Mosses the Ethiopian
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2012, 04:26:31 AM »


All the numbers after 4 are pretty much only there so that I could remember to stop when I got to 10.


hahaha, I could have added quite a few more lol
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 04:51:50 AM »

1. St. Athanasius the great,
2.St. Abba Anthony the great
3.St. Gregory the Theologian
4.St.John Chrysostom
5.St. Basil the Great
6.St. Cyrill of Alexandria
7.St. Ephraim the Syrian
8.St. Mary of Egypt
9.St. Isaac the Syrian
10.St. Mosses the Ethiopian


St. Isaac the Syrian is definitely one of my favorites (and I love all the others on your list also.)


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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2012, 04:54:00 AM »

I love yours as well Gebre Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2012, 05:09:24 AM »

I also love all of both of yours, but on the other hand, is anyone really going to not love a saint? Wink
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2012, 05:13:28 AM »

...is anyone really going to not love a saint? Wink

Hehe...I have my moments with St. Basil when I have to stand attentively for an even longer time while participating in his extended, extremely long Liturgy. Apparently St. Basil must have had some pretty comfortable shoes if he developed a liturgy that long...
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2012, 05:23:29 AM »

Hmm? Is St. Basil's liturgy extremely long in comparison to St. John Chrysostom's? Your comment confuses me because of course St. Basil's liturgy is a shortening of the original Alexandrian rite given to us by St. Mark...and I don't think anyone in those days had comfortable shoes! (We take our shoes off anyway, so that's neither here nor there.)
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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2012, 05:28:37 AM »

Hmm? Is St. Basil's liturgy extremely long in comparison to St. John Chrysostom's?

Maybe not 'extremely' long, but it is significantly longer than the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom by about one hour.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2012, 05:36:50 AM »

No particular order,

St Gregory of Nyassa
St John Chrysostom
St Moses the Ethiopian
Sts Cyril & Methodius
St Cyprian of Carthage
St Lawrence of Rome
St Nicholas of Myra
St Patrick
St Basil the Great
St Macrina the Younger

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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2012, 05:55:28 AM »

St John Golden Mouth
St Anthony the Great
St Gregory the theologian
St. John of the Ladder.
Blessed Augustine
Cyrill of Alexandria
.St. Athanasius
St. Swithun
St. Constantine
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2012, 06:02:33 AM »

hey Azul, Origen has a very special place in my heart too.
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2012, 06:05:12 AM »

St. Gregory
St. John
St. George
St. Basil
St. Constantine
St. Peter
St. Mary


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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2012, 06:06:51 AM »

hey Azul, Origen has a very special place in my heart too.

I can't imagine making such a list.

But I did think about just listing Origen.

Or Plato.
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hey Azul, Origen has a very special place in my heart too.

I can't imagine making such a list.

But I did think about just listing Origen.

Or Plato.

Great Ones to grace this world indeed!
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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2012, 12:12:22 PM »

How did only one person put St. Isaac in their list?  St. Isaac of Nineveh is the only saint you ever need.
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In your opinion, who are the top ten greatest Saints in the Church NOT mentioned in the Scriptures? This is my list, in order from least to greatest.

#10) St. Constantine

#9) St. Nicholas

#8) St. John Chrysostom

#7) St. Maximus the Confessor

#6) St. Antony of Egypt

#5) St. Moses the Ethiopian

#4) St. Augustine of Hippo

#3) St. Athanasius

#2) St. Mary of Egypt

#1) St. Monica
This is an interesting question, and of course, there are other saints who also deserve to be in the top ten.  I don't have any problem with your list; however, an Orthodox priest (Antioch) told me that Augustine was Blessed, but not a saint. I don't remember exactly, but I think that the objections to his sainthood were based in part on the overly rationalistic tone of parts of his theology, together with his filioque belief.
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In your opinion, who are the top ten greatest Saints in the Church NOT mentioned in the Scriptures? This is my list, in order from least to greatest.

#10) St. Constantine

#9) St. Nicholas

#8) St. John Chrysostom

#7) St. Maximus the Confessor

#6) St. Antony of Egypt

#5) St. Moses the Ethiopian

#4) St. Augustine of Hippo

#3) St. Athanasius

#2) St. Mary of Egypt

#1) St. Monica
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Come on everyone, you know it had it to happen. We really have to start having over/unders on this sorta stuff. PM me if you want to get in on the action in the future.
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2012, 01:58:54 PM »

St. Augustine is a Saint no matter what he wrote and what others think about him.
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2012, 02:15:15 PM »

10. Pope St. Leo the Great
9. St. Vladimir of Kiev
8. St. Ambrose of Milan
7. St. Agnes
6. St. Anthony the Great
5. St. Patrick, Apostle to the Irish
4. St. Maximus the Confessor
3. St. Athanasius the Great
2. St. John Chrysostom
1. St. Nicholas of Myra
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St. Augustine is a Saint no matter what he wrote and what others think about him.
According to Christos Yannaras, Augustine is "the fount of every distortion and alteration in the Church's truth in the West" (The Freedom of Morality, p. 151n.).
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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2012, 02:23:19 PM »

In your opinion, who are the top ten greatest Saints in the Church NOT mentioned in the Scriptures? This is my list, in order from least to greatest.

#10) St. Constantine

#9) St. Nicholas

#8) St. John Chrysostom

#7) St. Maximus the Confessor

#6) St. Antony of Egypt

#5) St. Moses the Ethiopian

#4) St. Augustine of Hippo

#3) St. Athanasius

#2) St. Mary of Egypt

#1) St. Monica
This is an interesting question, and of course, there are other saints who also deserve to be in the top ten.  I don't have any problem with your list; however, an Orthodox priest (Antioch) told me that Augustine was Blessed, but not a saint. I don't remember exactly, but I think that the objections to his sainthood were based in part on the overly rationalistic tone of parts of his theology, together with his filioque belief.

Come on everyone, you know it had it to happen. We really have to start having over/unders on this sorta stuff. PM me if you want to get in on the action in the future.

I assume there's some way to also factor in whether the objection will come from an Orthodox or a Roman Catholic? (That part actually surprised me this time around).
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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2012, 02:39:08 PM »

St. Augustine is a Saint no matter what he wrote and what others think about him.

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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2012, 02:40:09 PM »

I also don't like ranking saints, but here are some of my favorite non-biblical saints.

St. Basil the Fool has to be one of my favorites.  In fact, I love all the holy trolls.  Their method appeals to me because I can simultaneously laugh at their antics and be touched by what they are trying to get across.

St. Nicholas is one of my favorites.  He was truly a man full of love, angelic in actions, though even he when confronted by the vile filth of Arius has no choice but to give him a licking.

St. John of Shanghai is my family patron and I have kept an Icon of St. George for many years.

I like St. Alexander of the Neva and St. Mercurius.  They are role models for us and keep a little bit of that Old Testament goodness alive.

St. Pachomius and St. Anthony of the desert I always love to read together.  Great men.

I have been reading the commentary on the Gospel of John by Theophylact.  I have always heard him referred to as "the Blessed" rather than "St." but wikipedia says that the Serbian and Russian churches consider him a saint.  That's good enough for me.  I cannot help but love his writing because nto only is he full of fervor for Orthodoxy and an enemy of heresy, but he is also the master of dissing heretics.  (Concerning Appolinarians [sp?]: "May you and your followers perish.")

St. Tsar Nicholas II.  The jury is out as to whether he was a good political ruler, but he died for the faith, and that is enough for me.
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2012, 02:43:01 PM »

an Orthodox priest (Antioch) told me that Augustine was Blessed, but not a saint

That priest is out of his mind. Someone call the Metropolitan!

"Blessed" is an epithet (cf. Blessed Xenia, Blessed Theophylact) like "Venerable", "Righteous", etc. We don't have specific titles for not-quite-saints who are at various stages in the canonization process.

But seriously...

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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2012, 02:43:36 PM »

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I assume there's some way to also factor in whether the objection will come from an Orthodox or a Roman Catholic? (That part actually surprised me this time around).

Yeah, really...I thought the RC was all about St. Augustine. I know he is recognized as a saint in the Coptic Orthodox Church, and the Antiochian priest I've listened to talk about him (Fr. Andrew Damick, on his AFR podcast) has stated unequivocally that Augustine is also a saint in the EO tradition. So I think your Antiochian priest friend is just wrong, Stanley. Also, St. Augustine being "the fount of every distortion and alteration in the Church's truth in the West" in some person's opinion does not actually preclude him from being a saint in the East/Orient, as we did not adopt the distortions and alterations of the Western church in the first place. Wink
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2012, 02:52:05 PM »

an Orthodox priest (Antioch) told me that Augustine was Blessed, but not a saint


But seriously...



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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2012, 02:59:24 PM »

While Origen certainly is an important theologian, I am not aware of any Church that formally considers him to be a saint.

As for St. Augustine, some of his theology is extremely controversial, but (and that's probably the only point where I agree with Fr. Seraphim Rose) that does not disqualify him from personal holiness and from being a model in piety.
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2012, 02:59:44 PM »

A picture of Christos Yannaras:



A picture of Augustine:



For some reason the latter seems more trustworthy.
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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2012, 02:59:57 PM »

someone should throw St. Theophan in their list. Just sayin...
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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2012, 03:00:06 PM »

an Orthodox priest (Antioch) told me that Augustine was Blessed, but not a saint

That priest is out of his mind.
His objection was based in part on St. Augustine's teaching on the filioque.
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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2012, 03:02:09 PM »

an Orthodox priest (Antioch) told me that Augustine was Blessed, but not a saint

That priest is out of his mind.
His objection was based in part on St. Augustine's teaching on the filioque.

You are a Roman Catholic. Why does it bother you that we revere one of the most imporant Saints of your own tradition? Shouldn't you rather be happy that we have something in common?
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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2012, 03:18:18 PM »

10. St. Pantaleimon
9. St. Dymphna
8. St. Raphael of Brooklyn
7. St. Brendan
6. St. George
5. St. David of Wales
4. St. Leo
3. St. Lucia
2. St. Catherine of Alexandria
1. St. Patrick


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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2012, 03:19:22 PM »

I find it disturbing that no one has mentioned St. Germanus I of Constantinople yet.
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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2012, 03:27:04 PM »

I find it disturbing that no one has mentioned St. Germanus I of Constantinople yet.

You just did.
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