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« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2012, 08:52:55 PM »

Lawl at "lineage".

Just like all the "authentic ninja schools" headed by American white people.

Obviously you never watched Bloodsport. That stuff is not to be lulzed over. For real!
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« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2012, 08:55:00 PM »

It seems to me that the Church is no less lawl-worthy than these silly occultists.

Coming from a manwitch.

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« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2012, 09:38:48 PM »

It seems to me that the Church is no less lawl-worthy than these silly occultists.

Coming from a manwitch.

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« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2012, 08:34:00 AM »

Yet, within the fevered imaginations of some, often those who also buy into conspiracy theories and Bigfoot sightings, how relevant are they in our modern society? Decades ago, being a Mason was viewed by some in the immigrant communities as a way to 'buy in' to the American dream of upward mobility or class mobility in some parts of Europe. But since the end of the second world war, the membership and influence of Masons has diminished considerably. Seriously, how many of you really know of any serious Masons under the age of sixty? Just how 'secret' can a 'secret' society remain in today's world of the internets, Facebook, iPhones etc.... In town and city after town and city one can find underutilized or abandoned buildings which once housed large clubs of Masons, Scottish Rite temples, Kalurah temples etc..etc... - in downtown Binghamton, NY, my hometown, the sturdy, size of a city block 1930's Temple has been vacant since I was in high school in the 1970's and is a decrepit, falling apart hulk. The equally large Kalurah temple in town, which once showcased boxing matches, basketball tournaments and circuses has been an Assembly of God church for as long as I can remember going back to the 1960's.
Here in the South, every small, population-600 town has a closed-down Masonic lodge made up of cheap brick or cinderblock.

Locally, the Masons and Eastern Star are little more than a social club for the black community.

I do know a couple of Masons/Eastern Star members in their late-20s/early-30s, but both view it as a sort of cultural oddity they participate in to make their grandparents happy.

I have wondered more than once what it is about Orthodox message boards that seem to attract the Masonic conspiracy wingnuts.
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« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2012, 08:52:28 AM »


How about this one from one of the monolithic churches of Lalibela, Ethiopia -- 12th century. Crazy Adolf was not there.. was he?



Adolf wasn't, but the time-traveling Nazi scientists were. Obviously.

The symbol came from Theosophy in Tibet, and this was the symbol of death.    Either it was an unrelated coincidence, or plotted...

The symbol was also used by Native American Indians with various meanings.
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« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2012, 08:57:28 AM »

Yet, within the fevered imaginations of some, often those who also buy into conspiracy theories and Bigfoot sightings, how relevant are they in our modern society? Decades ago, being a Mason was viewed by some in the immigrant communities as a way to 'buy in' to the American dream of upward mobility or class mobility in some parts of Europe. But since the end of the second world war, the membership and influence of Masons has diminished considerably. Seriously, how many of you really know of any serious Masons under the age of sixty? Just how 'secret' can a 'secret' society remain in today's world of the internets, Facebook, iPhones etc.... In town and city after town and city one can find underutilized or abandoned buildings which once housed large clubs of Masons, Scottish Rite temples, Kalurah temples etc..etc... - in downtown Binghamton, NY, my hometown, the sturdy, size of a city block 1930's Temple has been vacant since I was in high school in the 1970's and is a decrepit, falling apart hulk. The equally large Kalurah temple in town, which once showcased boxing matches, basketball tournaments and circuses has been an Assembly of God church for as long as I can remember going back to the 1960's.
Here in the South, every small, population-600 town has a closed-down Masonic lodge made up of cheap brick or cinderblock.

Locally, the Masons and Eastern Star are little more than a social club for the black community.

I do know a couple of Masons/Eastern Star members in their late-20s/early-30s, but both view it as a sort of cultural oddity they participate in to make their grandparents happy.

I have wondered more than once what it is about Orthodox message boards that seem to attract the Masonic conspiracy wingnuts.

It's not just Orthodox message boards, but pretty much any message board where pictures and topics concerning anything may be posted. I've seen the conspiracy wingnuts on video game boards, auto boards, surf boards, and just about any other board you can shake an electron at.  Roll Eyes If they can spot a right angle they can "spot" Masonic influence.
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« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2012, 09:12:38 AM »

Lawl at "lineage".

Just like all the "authentic ninja schools" headed by American white people.

Every fat, middle-aged white bujinkan master actually traces their lineage back to the original Japanese theater performers who created the legend of black gi'd assassins.

Or, you know, it's bad isshin-ryu karate plus foil weapons.
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« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2012, 09:53:55 AM »

Yet, within the fevered imaginations of some, often those who also buy into conspiracy theories and Bigfoot sightings, how relevant are they in our modern society? Decades ago, being a Mason was viewed by some in the immigrant communities as a way to 'buy in' to the American dream of upward mobility or class mobility in some parts of Europe. But since the end of the second world war, the membership and influence of Masons has diminished considerably. Seriously, how many of you really know of any serious Masons under the age of sixty? Just how 'secret' can a 'secret' society remain in today's world of the internets, Facebook, iPhones etc.... In town and city after town and city one can find underutilized or abandoned buildings which once housed large clubs of Masons, Scottish Rite temples, Kalurah temples etc..etc... - in downtown Binghamton, NY, my hometown, the sturdy, size of a city block 1930's Temple has been vacant since I was in high school in the 1970's and is a decrepit, falling apart hulk. The equally large Kalurah temple in town, which once showcased boxing matches, basketball tournaments and circuses has been an Assembly of God church for as long as I can remember going back to the 1960's.
Here in the South, every small, population-600 town has a closed-down Masonic lodge made up of cheap brick or cinderblock.

Locally, the Masons and Eastern Star are little more than a social club for the black community.

I do know a couple of Masons/Eastern Star members in their late-20s/early-30s, but both view it as a sort of cultural oddity they participate in to make their grandparents happy.

I have wondered more than once what it is about Orthodox message boards that seem to attract the Masonic conspiracy wingnuts.

It's not just Orthodox message boards, but pretty much any message board where pictures and topics concerning anything may be posted. I've seen the conspiracy wingnuts on video game boards, auto boards, surf boards, and just about any other board you can shake an electron at.  Roll Eyes If they can spot a right angle they can "spot" Masonic influence.

History Channels fuel their fever.
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« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2012, 10:02:58 AM »

Yet, within the fevered imaginations of some, often those who also buy into conspiracy theories and Bigfoot sightings, how relevant are they in our modern society? Decades ago, being a Mason was viewed by some in the immigrant communities as a way to 'buy in' to the American dream of upward mobility or class mobility in some parts of Europe. But since the end of the second world war, the membership and influence of Masons has diminished considerably. Seriously, how many of you really know of any serious Masons under the age of sixty? Just how 'secret' can a 'secret' society remain in today's world of the internets, Facebook, iPhones etc.... In town and city after town and city one can find underutilized or abandoned buildings which once housed large clubs of Masons, Scottish Rite temples, Kalurah temples etc..etc... - in downtown Binghamton, NY, my hometown, the sturdy, size of a city block 1930's Temple has been vacant since I was in high school in the 1970's and is a decrepit, falling apart hulk. The equally large Kalurah temple in town, which once showcased boxing matches, basketball tournaments and circuses has been an Assembly of God church for as long as I can remember going back to the 1960's.
Here in the South, every small, population-600 town has a closed-down Masonic lodge made up of cheap brick or cinderblock.

Locally, the Masons and Eastern Star are little more than a social club for the black community.

I do know a couple of Masons/Eastern Star members in their late-20s/early-30s, but both view it as a sort of cultural oddity they participate in to make their grandparents happy.

I have wondered more than once what it is about Orthodox message boards that seem to attract the Masonic conspiracy wingnuts.

It's not just Orthodox message boards, but pretty much any message board where pictures and topics concerning anything may be posted. I've seen the conspiracy wingnuts on video game boards, auto boards, surf boards, and just about any other board you can shake an electron at.  Roll Eyes If they can spot a right angle they can "spot" Masonic influence.

History Channels fuel their fever.

History Channel?  When was the last time the History Channel actually had any shows on history.  Oh wait, Ancient Aliens is real history I forgot  Roll Eyes

What we need is a Conspiracy Channel.
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« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2012, 10:34:50 AM »

Yet, within the fevered imaginations of some, often those who also buy into conspiracy theories and Bigfoot sightings, how relevant are they in our modern society? Decades ago, being a Mason was viewed by some in the immigrant communities as a way to 'buy in' to the American dream of upward mobility or class mobility in some parts of Europe. But since the end of the second world war, the membership and influence of Masons has diminished considerably. Seriously, how many of you really know of any serious Masons under the age of sixty? Just how 'secret' can a 'secret' society remain in today's world of the internets, Facebook, iPhones etc.... In town and city after town and city one can find underutilized or abandoned buildings which once housed large clubs of Masons, Scottish Rite temples, Kalurah temples etc..etc... - in downtown Binghamton, NY, my hometown, the sturdy, size of a city block 1930's Temple has been vacant since I was in high school in the 1970's and is a decrepit, falling apart hulk. The equally large Kalurah temple in town, which once showcased boxing matches, basketball tournaments and circuses has been an Assembly of God church for as long as I can remember going back to the 1960's.
Here in the South, every small, population-600 town has a closed-down Masonic lodge made up of cheap brick or cinderblock.

Locally, the Masons and Eastern Star are little more than a social club for the black community.

I do know a couple of Masons/Eastern Star members in their late-20s/early-30s, but both view it as a sort of cultural oddity they participate in to make their grandparents happy.

I have wondered more than once what it is about Orthodox message boards that seem to attract the Masonic conspiracy wingnuts.

It's not just Orthodox message boards, but pretty much any message board where pictures and topics concerning anything may be posted. I've seen the conspiracy wingnuts on video game boards, auto boards, surf boards, and just about any other board you can shake an electron at.  Roll Eyes If they can spot a right angle they can "spot" Masonic influence.
Of course you run across it all around the Internet, because the Internet is part of the Masonic conspiracy.
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« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2012, 10:50:58 AM »

Yet, within the fevered imaginations of some, often those who also buy into conspiracy theories and Bigfoot sightings, how relevant are they in our modern society? Decades ago, being a Mason was viewed by some in the immigrant communities as a way to 'buy in' to the American dream of upward mobility or class mobility in some parts of Europe. But since the end of the second world war, the membership and influence of Masons has diminished considerably. Seriously, how many of you really know of any serious Masons under the age of sixty? Just how 'secret' can a 'secret' society remain in today's world of the internets, Facebook, iPhones etc.... In town and city after town and city one can find underutilized or abandoned buildings which once housed large clubs of Masons, Scottish Rite temples, Kalurah temples etc..etc... - in downtown Binghamton, NY, my hometown, the sturdy, size of a city block 1930's Temple has been vacant since I was in high school in the 1970's and is a decrepit, falling apart hulk. The equally large Kalurah temple in town, which once showcased boxing matches, basketball tournaments and circuses has been an Assembly of God church for as long as I can remember going back to the 1960's.
Here in the South, every small, population-600 town has a closed-down Masonic lodge made up of cheap brick or cinderblock.

Locally, the Masons and Eastern Star are little more than a social club for the black community.

I do know a couple of Masons/Eastern Star members in their late-20s/early-30s, but both view it as a sort of cultural oddity they participate in to make their grandparents happy.

I have wondered more than once what it is about Orthodox message boards that seem to attract the Masonic conspiracy wingnuts.

It's not just Orthodox message boards, but pretty much any message board where pictures and topics concerning anything may be posted. I've seen the conspiracy wingnuts on video game boards, auto boards, surf boards, and just about any other board you can shake an electron at.  Roll Eyes If they can spot a right angle they can "spot" Masonic influence.
Of course you run across it all around the Internet, because the Internet is part of the Masonic conspiracy.

I forgot that to connect to the internet you must use a computer which is full of right angles (so obviously part of the Masonic conspiracy), and connect to the web via an ethernet cable (and we all know that ether is an unknown magic substance - thereby alluding to the Masons dark pact with Satan), not to mention if you use a Mac the logo is an apple with a bite missing (which symbolizes Adam and Eve in the Garden, and we all know it was Satan who convinced them to eat of the apple) or if you use Windows you are selling your soul to the devil (the eyes are said to be windows to the soul, what better way to steal it than through the computer monitor you stare at all day?). And Linux? Well that was made by a man named Linus Torvalds, obviously a communist, and communism was started by the Masons to overthrow the Capitalist Amercia ('MURIKA!!!) and bring us all under their wings and in league with Lucifer Baphomet who is the god they worship.
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« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2012, 03:52:21 PM »

Yet, within the fevered imaginations of some, often those who also buy into conspiracy theories and Bigfoot sightings, how relevant are they in our modern society? Decades ago, being a Mason was viewed by some in the immigrant communities as a way to 'buy in' to the American dream of upward mobility or class mobility in some parts of Europe. But since the end of the second world war, the membership and influence of Masons has diminished considerably. Seriously, how many of you really know of any serious Masons under the age of sixty? Just how 'secret' can a 'secret' society remain in today's world of the internets, Facebook, iPhones etc.... In town and city after town and city one can find underutilized or abandoned buildings which once housed large clubs of Masons, Scottish Rite temples, Kalurah temples etc..etc... - in downtown Binghamton, NY, my hometown, the sturdy, size of a city block 1930's Temple has been vacant since I was in high school in the 1970's and is a decrepit, falling apart hulk. The equally large Kalurah temple in town, which once showcased boxing matches, basketball tournaments and circuses has been an Assembly of God church for as long as I can remember going back to the 1960's.
Here in the South, every small, population-600 town has a closed-down Masonic lodge made up of cheap brick or cinderblock.

Locally, the Masons and Eastern Star are little more than a social club for the black community.

I do know a couple of Masons/Eastern Star members in their late-20s/early-30s, but both view it as a sort of cultural oddity they participate in to make their grandparents happy.

I have wondered more than once what it is about Orthodox message boards that seem to attract the Masonic conspiracy wingnuts.

It's not just Orthodox message boards, but pretty much any message board where pictures and topics concerning anything may be posted. I've seen the conspiracy wingnuts on video game boards, auto boards, surf boards, and just about any other board you can shake an electron at.  Roll Eyes If they can spot a right angle they can "spot" Masonic influence.
Of course you run across it all around the Internet, because the Internet is part of the Masonic conspiracy.

I forgot that to connect to the internet you must use a computer which is full of right angles (so obviously part of the Masonic conspiracy), and connect to the web via an ethernet cable (and we all know that ether is an unknown magic substance - thereby alluding to the Masons dark pact with Satan), not to mention if you use a Mac the logo is an apple with a bite missing (which symbolizes Adam and Eve in the Garden, and we all know it was Satan who convinced them to eat of the apple) or if you use Windows you are selling your soul to the devil (the eyes are said to be windows to the soul, what better way to steal it than through the computer monitor you stare at all day?). And Linux? Well that was made by a man named Linus Torvalds, obviously a communist, and communism was started by the Masons to overthrow the Capitalist Amercia ('MURIKA!!!) and bring us all under their wings and in league with Lucifer Baphomet who is the god they worship.

As a Templar Knight, Mason, Magician, Gnostic, Satanist i can say with certain authority that this is 100% true.
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« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2012, 04:03:43 PM »

I tried to find the clip in the Newsradio episode in which Jimmy and Joe are standing before the Masonic judge, but I could only find the episode in it's entirety (albeit split into three parts). In any even, the secret word is...

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I tried to find the clip in the Newsradio episode in which Jimmy and Joe are standing before the Masonic judge, but I could only find the episode in it's entirety (albeit split into three parts). In any even, the secret word is...


LOL!  I can't believe I didn't think of that first.
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I tried to find the clip in the Newsradio episode in which Jimmy and Joe are standing before the Masonic judge, but I could only find the episode in it's entirety (albeit split into three parts). In any even, the secret word is...


LOL!  I can't believe I didn't think of that first.

I noticed that you didn't quote the secret word posted above... This obviously means that you must be a Mason and probably Scottish Rite since you wear a kilt! I have found you out, there is no denying it!  Grin
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« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2012, 05:29:21 PM »

Also, Orthodox Churches read from the Bible, which is a well-known Masonic symbol.

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« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2012, 05:36:46 PM »

Also, Orthodox Churches read from the Bible, which is a well-known Masonic symbol.



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« Reply #62 on: June 08, 2012, 05:50:59 PM »

You're all forgetting the Grand Master in charge of the whole new world hanky-pank:

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« Reply #63 on: June 08, 2012, 05:54:58 PM »

You're all forgetting the Grand Master in charge of the whole new world hanky-pank:


I was recently able to  pin a local Baptist minister as a mason because he opened a prayer with “Grand Master of the Universe...”

But around here nobody hides their masonic affiliations – they wear big rings, place the metal decals on their cars, I even saw a bumper sticker that said, “Proud to be a Mason and a Christian.”
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« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2012, 05:10:08 PM »

Hello,

Something which will stop me from considering converting is the wide use of masonic imagery inside the Orthodox churches. I have noticed that the all seeing eye and skull and cross bones is very common. If anyone has any knowledge of Freemasonry or the New World Order then they will know that such symbols are give aways that something is not as it should be.

You may think I am insane but I believe what I believe.

Please may you explain these symbols in the Orthodox Church?

Which existed first, the Orthodox Church or Freemasonry?

This was going to be my response.  The Orthodox Church was around LONG before the Freemasons.  Freemasons use imagery from many places as they do not subscribe to any one religion.  They only state there is a God, no specifics.  Freemasons are not a religious cult anyway. 
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« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2012, 11:42:29 PM »

Lawl at "lineage".

Just like all the "authentic ninja schools" headed by American white people.

Every fat, middle-aged white bujinkan master actually traces their lineage back to the original Japanese theater performers who created the legend of black gi'd assassins.

Or, you know, it's bad isshin-ryu karate plus foil weapons.

I refuse to accept as legitimate any school of nin-jutsu which does not preach the importance of announcing the names of one's techniques while executing them.

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« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2012, 11:53:39 PM »

You're all forgetting the Grand Master in charge of the whole new world hanky-pank:

For what it's worth, that is a nice robe.
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« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2012, 12:26:10 AM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Hello,

Something which will stop me from considering converting is the wide use of masonic imagery inside the Orthodox churches. I have noticed that the all seeing eye and skull and cross bones is very common. If anyone has any knowledge of Freemasonry or the New World Order then they will know that such symbols are give aways that something is not as it should be.

You may think I am insane but I believe what I believe.

Please may you explain these symbols in the Orthodox Church?

Both Free Masonry, the various related political cults, and the Orthodox Church all draw upon the same rich well of inspiration, the Holy Bible.  Free Masonry is entirely saturated with Biblical imagery and symbolism, down to every detail.  Essentially, at its core, this conspiracy is recreation (or perpetuation depending on whose doing the telling) of the Old Testament worship.  Orthodox IS the Old Testament worship in  perpetuity, sanctified by Grace in the New Covenant of Christ's Blood, and so we naturally will see the same imagery and symbolism present.  However, Freemasonry is NOT Orthodox, realistically its a kind of Jeffersonian Deistic Judaism.  Further, in regards to running the world, well, conspiracies are what they are, mythic interpretations of some grains of truth and fact.  There is always truth in myth, but there is always hyperbole as well Wink

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« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2012, 01:28:37 AM »

As an ex-Freemason I must say this thread was a great read  laugh
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« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2012, 05:23:49 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

The devolution of this thread..



stay blessed,
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« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2012, 05:29:54 PM »

The eye is not a masonic emblem, and while I'm at it the Great Seal of the USA isn't masonic either. As far as anyone knows, Charles Thomson, who formulated the seal, was not a mason. Masons did eventually start using the eye, but it's pretty clear from the history of this that they borrowed it from the great seal because It's So Cool.

I can see how Ortho-sticklers might object to the iconography of the eye, but at any rate it's rare even in the west. The examples I know of are in central Europe.


Right, the eye predated masonry.  It is still in 500+ year old iconostasi of Churches in Greece and Cyprus, and elsewhere.  It is not ideal perhaps, but still, I agree that masonry adopted it from Christian circles rather than the other way around
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« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2012, 05:31:24 PM »

As an ex-Freemason I must say this thread was a great read  laugh

Well, at least the Pirates have one fan
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« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2012, 05:45:49 PM »

Lawl at "lineage".

Just like all the "authentic ninja schools" headed by American white people.

What about Stephen K. Hayes? "In 1993, Hayes was awarded the rare judan (tenth degree black belt) in Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu from Hatsumi.[3]
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« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2012, 05:47:42 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

The devolution of this thread..



stay blessed,
habte selassie

When I first scrolled down through the thread and just caught a glimpse of this I got excited... really excited... "Dattaswami is back!" I thought. Darn. Reality can be such a bummer.

As an ex-Freemason I must say this thread was a great read  laugh

Well, at least the Pirates have one fan

I'm a fan for the time being.
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« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2012, 06:01:44 PM »

As an ex-Freemason I must say this thread was a great read  laugh

Well, at least the Pirates have one fan
lol yes there not many of us left around after so many years of heartbreak. There all most in first place again will have to wait for after the All Star's break to see if they fall apart like they all ways do
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