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« on: December 29, 2012, 11:54:29 PM »

Ok, a probably obscure topic here. When was St. Gregory first called "the Theologian," and when was St. Symeon first called "the New Theologian"? Also, when did these become official, or at least normative.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2012, 04:20:34 AM »

While I don't know the answer to your question, it is my understanding that "New" and "Theologian" are two different titles. That is, St. Symeon the New was later given the title Theologian.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2012, 11:16:40 AM »

St Gregory was acclaimed "the Theologian" by the Fathers of the Council of Chalcedon.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2012, 12:00:26 PM »

St Gregory was acclaimed "the Theologian" by the Fathers of the Council of Chalcedon.
Interesting, because in the Coptic Orthodox Liturgy of St. Basil he is also called "the Theologian." Is this an example of the two Churches "cross-breading" even after the events of the council?

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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2012, 12:03:17 PM »

Perhaps the Fathers of Chalcedon weren't the first to call St. Gregory of Nazianzus "the Theologian" but merely recognised what was already done by many people.
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