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Came across this comparison table on a Protestant friend's facebook page. Of course it's meant to be against the Roman Catholic church, but I'm sure he would be happy to apply it to the Orthodox church if he knew it existed.  There's a fair amount here, especially on the religion side, that I know is just not true of anyone. (unless maybe some of you ex-Roman Catholics out there would say "Oh no, that is what the Roman church practiced")  I think there are some things on the gospel side that the Orthodox church may actually own. But I'm also sure that most of this is just good old fashioned Protestant thought both about themselves and about others. Thoughts on any of the points, all of them?  Religion Gospel If I obey, I'm accepted I'm accepted so I obey If I'm good God will love me I'm bad and Jesus loves bad people. People: Good and Bad People: Repentant or not Focus: What I do or can't do Focus: What Jesus did Produces: pride and despair Produces: Humility and Confidence Motivated by fear Motivated by love |
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 11:34:14 PM » |
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I'd like to see how RC's are motivated by fear, I've never heard of that.
BTW I thought about you yesterday, MB, there was this weird bird feeder that was a motorcycle shop.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 11:46:58 PM » |
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Motorcyle shop bird feeder? Cool.
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Prov. 3: 5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.
Psalm 37:23 The Lord guides a man safely in the way he should go.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 02:01:55 AM » |
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I think all of them, except the last two on the Religion side, are acceptable...
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 02:03:44 AM » |
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First on Gospel side?
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 01:15:28 PM » |
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This false dichotomy of religion vs. Gospel or religion vs. faith seems to be quite a fad in certain circles. What it really is, of course, is "my pet beliefs=good."
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 02:25:57 PM » |
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The non-legalistic attitude of Orthodoxy makes these Protestant doubts pretty much irrelevant to us.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 08:39:54 PM » |
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First on Gospel side?
What's your question on that one? |
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Prov. 3: 5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 09:10:16 PM » |
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If I obey, I'm accepted I'm accepted so I obey Non-Protestant Christians don't determine that one was "never saved" based on their actions. If I'm good God will love me I'm bad and Jesus loves bad people. Jesus Prayer. People: Good and Bad People: Repentant or not Either way, it's a judgement call on someone else. Focus: What I do or can't do Focus: What Jesus did Synergism. Produces: pride and despair Produces: Humility and Confidence Non-Protestants don't try to categorize other people saved "saved" and "unsaved". Motivated by fear Motivated by love Read any Protestant tract. Just a few initial thoughts. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 09:56:50 PM » |
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Religion Gospel Motivated by fear Motivated by love Read any Protestant tract. Good point, now I used to distribute a few that weren't fear based, but the person I got this from would not likely hesitate to use a Chick tract. edited to remove my comment from the quote |
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Prov. 3: 5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2012, 10:24:25 PM » |
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I don't think that protestants understand that the scriptures were voted in by the church. If they do they often say "it was God's will" just to justify themselves. I don't find the comparison accurate either.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2012, 12:04:57 PM » |
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Came across this comparison table on a Protestant friend's facebook page. Of course it's meant to be against the Roman Catholic church, but I'm sure he would be happy to apply it to the Orthodox church if he knew it existed. There's a fair amount here, especially on the religion side, that I know is just not true of anyone. (unless maybe some of you ex-Roman Catholics out there would say "Oh no, that is what the Roman church practiced") I think there are some things on the gospel side that the Orthodox church may actually own. But I'm also sure that most of this is just good old fashioned Protestant thought both about themselves and about others. Thoughts on any of the points, all of them? Religion Gospel If I obey, I'm accepted I'm accepted so I obey If I'm good God will love me I'm bad and Jesus loves bad people. People: Good and Bad People: Repentant or not Focus: What I do or can't do Focus: What Jesus did Produces: pride and despair Produces: Humility and Confidence Motivated by fear Motivated by love What bothers me about this list is that it sets up an "either - or" situation. As I reflect on my half-century of experience in Evangelical Protestantism, this is very common. It's very much "my way" vs "the wrong way"; "Catholic" vs "Christian"; "saved" vs "damned" (just ask me which you are, says the Evangelical Prot). I know that's overgeneralizing, but it is common. Life isn't that simple. God isn't that simple. I'm really not comfortable with the attitude that I sense in pitting one set of values against another - or more pointedly as you indicate about the source - pitting one faith group against another. I fail to see how it is "motivated by love" in humility. It's really bumper-sticker theology. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2012, 05:25:51 PM » |
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First on Gospel side?
What's your question on that one? That does not seem right for me to. It implies that the Church should accept every type of behaviour. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2012, 12:07:14 AM » |
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First on Gospel side?
What's your question on that one? That does not seem right for me to. It implies that the Church should accept every type of behaviour. Ah, I read that differently, not that this means I'm right.  I read it that a Protestant of the stripe of the one posting this wouldn't think in terms of the Church accepting, but rather of Christ accepting. That being the case in a Protestant mindset then one would obey God out of love for Christ who we love as the old children's song says "because He first loved me". |
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2012, 07:22:35 AM » |
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Came across this comparison table on a Protestant friend's facebook page. Of course it's meant to be against the Roman Catholic church, but I'm sure he would be happy to apply it to the Orthodox church if he knew it existed. There's a fair amount here, especially on the religion side, that I know is just not true of anyone. (unless maybe some of you ex-Roman Catholics out there would say "Oh no, that is what the Roman church practiced") I think there are some things on the gospel side that the Orthodox church may actually own. But I'm also sure that most of this is just good old fashioned Protestant thought both about themselves and about others. Thoughts on any of the points, all of them? Religion Gospel If I obey, I'm accepted I'm accepted so I obey If I'm good God will love me I'm bad and Jesus loves bad people. People: Good and Bad People: Repentant or not Focus: What I do or can't do Focus: What Jesus did Produces: pride and despair Produces: Humility and Confidence Motivated by fear Motivated by love I think the big problem with this is the labeling of the left column as "Religion" rather than, say, "Pharisaism". |
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2012, 12:57:10 PM » |
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Came across this comparison table on a Protestant friend's facebook page. Of course it's meant to be against the Roman Catholic church, but I'm sure he would be happy to apply it to the Orthodox church if he knew it existed. There's a fair amount here, especially on the religion side, that I know is just not true of anyone. (unless maybe some of you ex-Roman Catholics out there would say "Oh no, that is what the Roman church practiced") I think there are some things on the gospel side that the Orthodox church may actually own. But I'm also sure that most of this is just good old fashioned Protestant thought both about themselves and about others. Thoughts on any of the points, all of them? Religion Gospel If I obey, I'm accepted I'm accepted so I obey If I'm good God will love me I'm bad and Jesus loves bad people. People: Good and Bad People: Repentant or not Focus: What I do or can't do Focus: What Jesus did Produces: pride and despair Produces: Humility and Confidence Motivated by fear Motivated by love I think the big problem with this is the labeling of the left column as "Religion" rather than, say, "Pharisaism". Exactly. Not all religion is bad. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2012, 06:00:29 PM » |
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Came across this comparison table on a Protestant friend's facebook page. Of course it's meant to be against the Roman Catholic church, but I'm sure he would be happy to apply it to the Orthodox church if he knew it existed. There's a fair amount here, especially on the religion side, that I know is just not true of anyone. (unless maybe some of you ex-Roman Catholics out there would say "Oh no, that is what the Roman church practiced") I think there are some things on the gospel side that the Orthodox church may actually own. But I'm also sure that most of this is just good old fashioned Protestant thought both about themselves and about others. Thoughts on any of the points, all of them? Religion Gospel If I obey, I'm accepted I'm accepted so I obey If I'm good God will love me I'm bad and Jesus loves bad people. People: Good and Bad People: Repentant or not Focus: What I do or can't do Focus: What Jesus did Produces: pride and despair Produces: Humility and Confidence Motivated by fear Motivated by love I think the big problem with this is the labeling of the left column as "Religion" rather than, say, "Pharisaism". Yeah, the second one would be a much better label wouldn't it.  |
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