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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2012, 01:52:30 PM »
Methodism might not be for me, but there is a really booming non-denominational church in the area which I think could meet my needs.  Join up there, invest in one of those massive study Bibles, join some twenty/thirty-something groups, get involved with their outreach, I think something good could come from it.

you'll find plenty of cute girls there thats for sure. you might even be able to take your favorite beverage into the service.

You forgot to mention that all of those cute girls will like the same things you do and find you extremely attractive, and that church social events will serve only your favorite foods.

thanks for filling in that part.

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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2012, 02:02:22 PM »
Meh, I think you're trolling, but if not, I wish you the best mate. I hope you find whatever you want to find.

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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2012, 08:43:22 AM »
Methodism might not be for me, but there is a really booming non-denominational church in the area which I think could meet my needs.  Join up there, invest in one of those massive study Bibles, join some twenty/thirty-something groups, get involved with their outreach, I think something good could come from it.

you'll find plenty of cute girls there thats for sure. you might even be able to take your favorite beverage into the service.

You forgot to mention that all of those cute girls will like the same things you do and find you extremely attractive, and that church social events will serve only your favorite foods.

thanks for filling in that part.

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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2012, 01:58:12 AM »
I've never really given much thought to why I shouldn't be a Methodist.  I've never even been to a Methodist service before, but you see Methodist churches all over the place.  And they're United, right?  So, I don't see how it could be a bad idea.

I think all this stress on preserving the ancient faith is a bunch of fundamentalist malarkey.  Just because the apostles were uneducated and illiterate and Jewish literalists, incapable of interpretation, incapable of living the spirit of Christ.  Who cares if the apostles established bishops in their stead?  History has shown that the farther an organization proceeds from its founder, the less it resembles the original aims and structure of its founder: look at the Franciscans, the Lutherans, even the Muslims.  Christ didn't come to establish a church or institute a series of sacraments; such a view is presentist and anachronistic.  That one formed around his person and his teachings is obvious, but we call such phenomenon a "cult."  The apostles were frightened, zealous, marginalized Jews no different that the radical mentality of suicide bombers in the Mid East today, willing to be martyred for some delusion.

I thought about doing what I normally do, which is answering every objection, but I won't with you, for I sense that something else is going on. Are you a little depressed at the moment?

I am asking because what you wrote have various competing ideas that don't mesh too well, and you just seem down for some reason.
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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2012, 12:46:18 PM »

I thought about doing what I normally do, which is answering every objection, but I won't with you, for I sense that something else is going on. Are you a little depressed at the moment?

I am asking because what you wrote have various competing ideas that don't mesh too well, and you just seem down for some reason.

I'm genuinely impressed that you are able to pick up on the fact that I was depressed when I originally posted nearly everything in this thread (and other threads) last week.

I am no longer having these thoughts.  Or, at least, I'm no longer expressing these particular doubts in such an incomprehensible manner.

In short, everything expressed in this thread is sort of moot for me right now.
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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2012, 01:50:50 PM »
Please consider the following from two Evangelical theologians on the four principal views on the progression of Early Christianity.

1. "...Adolf Von Harnack:...Hellenism influenced the post-New Testament Church to the point of eradicating the original sense of the Gospel message."

2. "...(Cardinal Newman):...the Christianity that originated with Jesus and his apostles was merely the starting point of a series of theological developments that continued to evolve over the centuries."

3. The Bauer-Ehrman thesis that there were many varieties of Christianities that were eventually suppressed by the proto-orthodox led by the Church of Rome (my paraphrase of Chapter 1).

4. "...(Father) John Behr, dean and professor of Patristics at St. Vladimir's (Orthodox) theological seminary: ...the theology that the emanated from the new testament, continued through the church fathers, was guarded by the apologists, and solidified in the ecumenical church councils represents a continuous uninterrupted stream. The theology espoused by the orthodox clarified, elucidated, and expanded the theology of the new testament without deviating from it, and the creeds accurently represent the essence of the apostolic faith."

The Heresy of Orthodoxy: How Contemporary Culture's Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity, by Andreas Kostenberger and Michael Kruger, Crossway, 2010, page 53.

The Evangelical authors agree with Father Behr, making it most unlikely that your claim is correct; preserving the ancient faith is not merely fundamentalist malarkey but is of critical importance. I am not saying that you are not free to become anything you want; what I am pointing out is that there are only four ways at looking at Early Christianity, which is indeed the truest Christianity. It is up to you to choose.
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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2012, 02:24:51 PM »
The Heresy of Orthodoxy: How Contemporary Culture's Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity, by Andreas Kostenberger and Michael Kruger, Crossway, 2010, page 53.

I really need to read that book.  My intellectual mode of thought has unfortunately been infected by the Bauer-Ehrman(-Pagels) thesis a little too strongly.
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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2012, 04:06:30 PM »
The Heresy of Orthodoxy: How Contemporary Culture's Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity, by Andreas Kostenberger and Michael Kruger, Crossway, 2010, page 53.

I really need to read that book.  My intellectual mode of thought has unfortunately been infected by the Bauer-Ehrman(-Pagels) thesis a little too strongly.
I weep for you  :laugh:

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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2012, 05:16:47 PM »
Please consider the following from two Evangelical theologians on the four principal views on the progression of Early Christianity.

1. "...Adolf Von Harnack:...Hellenism influenced the post-New Testament Church to the point of eradicating the original sense of the Gospel message."

2. "...(Cardinal Newman):...the Christianity that originated with Jesus and his apostles was merely the starting point of a series of theological developments that continued to evolve over the centuries."

3. The Bauer-Ehrman thesis that there were many varieties of Christianities that were eventually suppressed by the proto-orthodox led by the Church of Rome (my paraphrase of Chapter 1).

4. "...(Father) John Behr, dean and professor of Patristics at St. Vladimir's (Orthodox) theological seminary: ...the theology that the emanated from the new testament, continued through the church fathers, was guarded by the apologists, and solidified in the ecumenical church councils represents a continuous uninterrupted stream. The theology espoused by the orthodox clarified, elucidated, and expanded the theology of the new testament without deviating from it, and the creeds accurently represent the essence of the apostolic faith."

The Heresy of Orthodoxy: How Contemporary Culture's Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity, by Andreas Kostenberger and Michael Kruger, Crossway, 2010, page 53.

The Evangelical authors agree with Father Behr, making it most unlikely that your claim is correct; preserving the ancient faith is not merely fundamentalist malarkey but is of critical importance. I am not saying that you are not free to become anything you want; what I am pointing out is that there are only four ways at looking at Early Christianity, which is indeed the truest Christianity. It is up to you to choose.
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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2012, 05:21:12 PM »
Methodism might not be for me, but there is a really booming non-denominational church in the area which I think could meet my needs.  Join up there, invest in one of those massive study Bibles, join some twenty/thirty-something groups, get involved with their outreach, I think something good could come from it.

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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2012, 05:35:54 PM »
And this is a good thing because ... ?
(given previous posts, I suspect I could make a good guess or two, but it might help if you actually spelled it out).

It bypasses all this inane intermediary tripe.  I could literally teach these classes which the priest is giving, and he knows it.

Then it is probably not doctrine which you must learn.

Long ago, my priest put it to me this way:

You probably know what the Orthodox Faith entails because you have read extensively.
What is now necessary is to acquire the ethos of Orthodoxy, and to start on the path of theosis.
For this one needs to acquire humility, love, patience, obedience and the rest of the virtues.

How do we acquire the virtues?
By praying and patiently waiting on the Lord.
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Re: Becoming Methodist
« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2012, 05:41:04 PM »
Rome and Constantinople were not built in a day, and neither can we expect to become saints in one day.

Patience little grasshopper. Patience.
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