The Mancave: A Question for Married Orthodox Pt.1

[GabrieltheCelt]

OK, so most of us have heard of 'The Mancave', a room inside the house, such as the basement or garage or attic or office, or outside the house such as a wood shed or tool room, where "guys can do as they please" without fear of upsetting any female sensibility about house decor or design.  Once upon a time it known as 'The Den' (a name I prefer).  My question is- do any of you married Orthodox have such a place or feel the need for such a place? 

[GabrieltheCelt]

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[ialmisry]

OK, so most of us have heard of 'The Mancave', a room inside the house, such as the basement or garage or attic or office, or outside the house such as a wood shed or tool room, where "guys can do as they please" without fear of upsetting any female sensibility about house decor or design.  Once upon a time it known as 'The Den' (a name I prefer).  My question is- do any of you married Orthodox have such a place or feel the need for such a place? 

I'm not sure about feeling the need.  I know my ex thought I had no right to it.

[Aindriú]

I have a need, but my last mancave became a child's room. Now... I drink. 

[Maximum Bob]

I have a need, but my last mancave became a child's room. Now... I drink. 

  Kids took mine too. Hope to get another one ... someday. 

[JamesR]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness. Not sure if a mancave is really appropriate for the Orthodox man. I understand that women can be such a burden when it comes to decorating and furniture, and that the female in the household might want to furnish your mancave according to her taste, but, to be honest, I think that it is worth it. Let her decorate it the way she wants to, all that matters is that you have a quite place where you can escape the rest of the household. I'm not too picky about the room as long as I have a comfortable chair, bookshelf and coffee maker.

[ialmisry]

I have a need, but my last mancave became a child's room. Now... I drink.  

  Kids took mine too. Hope to get another one ... someday.  

Yeah, the boys got my cave (which their mother was always sticking her nose in before, to complain).  But I still don't drink.  One of the benefits of the divorce. 

[Justin Kissel]

When I was Orthodox and married (good times, good times) I didn't have any particular place my own. I liked being left alone at times during the day, and my wife respected that, so she'd just leave the room for a couple hours (or until I went to wherever she was). I never really had a bunch of guys over to do manly things, so that wasn't a problem. I'm being very unhelpful I suppose.  

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Are you saying that all those mancaves I saw built or remodeled on HGTV are now being used... for...    NO, on second thought, don't tell me!

[Agabus]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness. Not sure if a mancave is really appropriate for the Orthodox man.

Really? I thought I was using it to keep all of my books. I suppose one man's masturbation cave is another man's library?

I did get drunk in there a few times, but some books are meant to be read with a complementary whiskey, especially older, musty volumes.

Alas, though, I gave up my personal space so my daughter could have a bedroom. Such is the white martyrdom of family life.

[dzheremi]

I suppose one man's masturbation cave is another man's library

Sig'd. If I have a life motto, it would be is this.

I did get drunk in there a few times, but some books are meant to be read with a complementary whiskey, especially older, musty volumes.

Walden: You're doin' it wrong.

Alas, though, I gave up my personal space so my daughter could have a bedroom. Such is the white martyrdom of family life.

Yes...a good Christian sacrifice, befitting of a true father. "Give up your mancave and follow me" and all that...

[Timon]

I have a man cave.  Its my little recording studio.  I also have my icon corner in there.  My wife doesnt want me putting icons everywhere in the house.  They arent "cute." 

[dzheremi]

Haha. My friend has a "man cave" that is a little recording studio, too. He's not Orthodox, so no icon corner, but it does feature a dead/fried computer guts corner, for building frankencomputers out of (he's a tech guy at a major medical technology company, so he brings home all kinds of electronics junk that they would otherwise throw out). As far as I can tell, his wife likes it. After all, if all of his instruments and computer junk weren't in there, it'd actually be in the common areas of the house, and then there'd probably be a problem.

(They don't have kids yet, though, so I'm guessing there will be a massive sell-off of a lot of this stuff in a little while...hellllooo, cheap guitar amp!)

[Maximum Bob]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

If you say so I guess, maybe some do but my cave was about a Pepsi collection now in boxes in the basement.

If (when) I reconstitute it the Pepsi stuff will come back, also music: albums and instruments, computers, lots of books, assorted electronics, sofa, easy chairs, a TV, soda machine, fridge, fantasy style posters, the Harley and other motorcycles collection, my colors unless I'm wearing them, and possibly a sword or two or four, and no doubt some Icons. 

[akimori makoto]

I have a man cave.  Its my little recording studio.  I also have my icon corner in there.  My wife doesnt want me putting icons everywhere in the house.  They arent "cute." 

Would she prefer:



?

[ialmisry]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness. Not sure if a mancave is really appropriate for the Orthodox man.

Really? I thought I was using it to keep all of my books. I suppose one man's masturbation cave is another man's library?

I did get drunk in there a few times, but some books are meant to be read with a complementary whiskey, especially older, musty volumes.

Alas, though, I gave up my personal space so my daughter could have a bedroom. Such is the white martyrdom of family life.

LOL. Sounds like my old one.  Including the library...instead of other things...

But I only drank coffee in it, my drug abuse of choice.

Though JamesR's description seems to be what many women think goes on in a mancave...they seem to be very suspicious...makes me wonder what they would do with a womancave if they didn't have total run of the whole house.

St. Paul seems to have left that warning out.

[jmbejdl]

I've never had one and never wanted one. I've never understood the reasoning behind things like 'man-caves' or 'boys' nights out' (or girls' for that matter). I realise that I appear to be in a tiny minority amongst the male population but there genuinely is nobody I'd rather spend my time with than my wife and we really share everything (well in so far as it's possible to). That's what I always felt marriage should be about and, thanks to God, for me it is. And I'm not recently married either - we'll have our 11th anniversary in couple of months.

James

[Mivac]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness. Not sure if a mancave is really appropriate for the Orthodox man.

Really? I thought I was using it to keep all of my books. I suppose one man's masturbation cave is another man's library?

I did get drunk in there a few times, but some books are meant to be read with a complementary whiskey, especially older, musty volumes.

Alas, though, I gave up my personal space so my daughter could have a bedroom. Such is the white martyrdom of family life.

LOL. Sounds like my old one.  Including the library...instead of other things...

But I only drank coffee in it, my drug abuse of choice.

Though JamesR's description seems to be what many women think goes on in a mancave...they seem to be very suspicious...makes me wonder what they would do with a womancave if they didn't have total run of the whole house.

St. Paul seems to have left that warning out.

The womancave is the mancave taken over by the woman for her crafting supplies.  (special note: half the garage is crafting supplies)

[Timon]

The womancave is the mancave taken over by the woman for her crafting supplies.

Yes.  My wife was really into sewing and making pillows for a while.  My studio looked nice until there was girly fabric, pins and needles, thread, etc. laying around.

[KBN1]

My whole life is a mancave.   

[NicholasMyra]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Dude...

[DavidH]

"The womancave is the mancave taken over by the woman for her crafting supplies.  (special note: half the garage is crafting supplies)"

Sweet Holy Moses, is nothing sacred these days?

[DavidH]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Dude...

A proper Orthodox Mancave is refreshingly low brow while remaining deified.

[Schultz]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

[ZealousZeal]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness. Not sure if a mancave is really appropriate for the Orthodox man.

Really? I thought I was using it to keep all of my books. I suppose one man's masturbation cave is another man's library?

I did get drunk in there a few times, but some books are meant to be read with a complementary whiskey, especially older, musty volumes.

Alas, though, I gave up my personal space so my daughter could have a bedroom. Such is the white martyrdom of family life.

LOL. Sounds like my old one.  Including the library...instead of other things...

But I only drank coffee in it, my drug abuse of choice.

Though JamesR's description seems to be what many women think goes on in a mancave...they seem to be very suspicious...makes me wonder what they would do with a womancave if they didn't have total run of the whole house.

St. Paul seems to have left that warning out.

LOL. I'm a lady but I'll admit, this did make me laugh.

[ialmisry]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Sure they don't.  Just ask them.

[vamrat]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness. Not sure if a mancave is really appropriate for the Orthodox man.

I assure you, a man cave is necessary for these exact reasons.  When the entire apartment is taken up by the woman's stuff these activities need to find a place to reside...and sometimes the living room becomes the only acceptable option.

[Schultz]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Sure they don't.  Just ask them.

We know different women.

[dcommini]

My wife actually wants me to have a mancave. And honestly I would prefer to have a place where I can go to relax and smoke my pipe, read, and sip my tea (or other beverage) that has some solitude. Now would I keep my wife and daughter completely out? Never (unless I'm smoking, after which I would vacuum and use an air purifier). I love my family too much to keep them out of my life.

The last few times I had a "mancave" or a den/study I never kept it all to myself, and my wife used it a lot as well since that is where the main computer was.

[Schultz]

My wife actually wants me to have a mancave. And honestly I would prefer to have a place where I can go to relax and smoke my pipe, read, and sip my tea (or other beverage) that has some solitude. Now would I keep my wife and daughter completely out? Never (unless I'm smoking, after which I would vacuum and use an air purifier). I love my family too much to keep them out of my life.

The last few times I had a "mancave" or a den/study I never kept it all to myself, and my wife used it a lot as well since that is where the main computer was.

I'm pretty much the same way.  At the moment, my "mancave'' is the basement where the laundry gets done as well as where our pantry is (blasted tiny galley kitchens!).  It's where I go to practice my guitar playing and do some home recording, muck about on the computer, and where my "private" icon corner is (which isn't all that private, just where the quietest part of the house is usually).  We moved the fake fireplace from upstairs in the living room down there and it has quite a homely feel to it.  It's very much "my" stuff down there, but it's not "my" mancave.

[ialmisry]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Sure they don't.  Just ask them.

We know different women.

LOL.  Did the sarcasm get derailed somewhere?

[Schultz]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Sure they don't.  Just ask them.

We know different women.

LOL.  Did the sarcasm get derailed somewhere?

What I meant was that the women I'm friends with would probably not lie about it like the women you know

[JamesR]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

[ZealousZeal]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

Don't let's be silly. Jack on the rocks has been my drink of choice for years. Which isn't to say that I don't like wine (but give me red or give me death), only that I do love whiskey.

[KBN1]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

You need to stop watching Desperate Housewives.

[Schultz]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

You need to stop watching Desperate Housewives.

That would be a start, but not a complete cure.

[witega]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

Don't let's be silly. Jack on the rocks has been my drink of choice for years. Which isn't to say that I don't like wine (but give me red or give me death), only that I do love whiskey.

Point of clarification: Jack Daniels is to real whiskey as clown masses are to actual worship.

[Golgotha]

I imagine if I get married my hobbies will be confined to a cave. Pipe smoking, large amps/speaker cabinets, Orthodox items, home brew, tea stashes, etc. I'm a bit eccentric  

[ZealousZeal]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

Don't let's be silly. Jack on the rocks has been my drink of choice for years. Which isn't to say that I don't like wine (but give me red or give me death), only that I do love whiskey.

Point of clarification: Jack Daniels is to real whiskey as clown masses are to actual worship.

 

I was waiting for something like that to pop up. I can't help it, I like Jack.

[ialmisry]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Sure they don't.  Just ask them.

We know different women.

LOL.  Did the sarcasm get derailed somewhere?

What I meant was that the women I'm friends with would probably not lie about it like the women you know

Well then the sarcasm is right on track.

[Timon]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

Don't let's be silly. Jack on the rocks has been my drink of choice for years. Which isn't to say that I don't like wine (but give me red or give me death), only that I do love whiskey.

Point of clarification: Jack Daniels is to real whiskey as clown masses are to actual worship.

 

I was waiting for something like that to pop up. I can't help it, I like Jack.

Woodford Reserve here.  When im on a budget, I go Evan Williams Black Label.  Dont knock it till you try it. Surprisingly good for $13-$14 for a whole liter.

[witega]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

Don't let's be silly. Jack on the rocks has been my drink of choice for years. Which isn't to say that I don't like wine (but give me red or give me death), only that I do love whiskey.

Point of clarification: Jack Daniels is to real whiskey as clown masses are to actual worship.

 

I was waiting for something like that to pop up. I can't help it, I like Jack.

Well, you're a grown woman, and what you choose to do to your palette in the privacy of your own home is your own business. But James is still young and impressionable so we owe it to him try to set a better example...

:-p

[vamrat]

Eh mancaves generally imply manly sins such as porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Because females do not engage in porn, masturbation, excessive drinking or other forms of crudeness.

Well they gossip and speak ill of other women, so imagine the mancave but replace the men with women and the whiskey with white wine and add the gossiping element and then you have the woman-cave.

Don't let's be silly. Jack on the rocks has been my drink of choice for years. Which isn't to say that I don't like wine (but give me red or give me death), only that I do love whiskey.

Point of clarification: Jack Daniels is to real whiskey as clown masses are to actual worship.

 

I was waiting for something like that to pop up. I can't help it, I like Jack.

Don't listen to the naysayers.

BTW, will you marry me?

[dzheremi]

She's already married. I know...I too was crushed...a woman who likes Louie CK and whiskey? Of course she's married! Why wouldn't she be?

[vamrat]

She's already married. I know...I too was crushed...a woman who likes Louie CK and whiskey? Of course she's married! Why wouldn't she be?

I thought I'd read that too...but not to worry, once homosexuality gets excepted we'll need a new perversion to push, so perhaps we all can make a push for polyandry!

[Justin Kissel]

She's already married. I know...I too was crushed...a woman who likes Louie CK and whiskey? Of course she's married! Why wouldn't she be?

I thought I'd read that too...but not to worry, once homosexuality gets excepted we'll need a new perversion to push, so perhaps we all can make a push for polyandry!

Give me open marriage if you will, or make me take up the heavy burden of monogamy if you must, but do not think, good sir, that I would allow you to force a perversion like polyandry on me!

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