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David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« on: May 12, 2012, 06:45:59 PM »
Anyone like his videos? I saw his video on the Euthyphro Dilemma and I thought it was good.

http://www.piousfabrications.com/

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2012, 12:20:25 AM »
The new round table series is promising, if David is willing to disagree with that Yusef fellow.  ;)
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2012, 10:59:57 AM »
David Withun is very good. Pious Fabrications is a down to earth introduction to the Orthodox faith.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 11:06:59 AM »
Anyone like his videos? I saw his video on the Euthyphro Dilemma and I thought it was good.

http://www.piousfabrications.com/

http://www.youtube.com/user/davidpwithun
His video on same-sex marriage was well done.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 11:33:56 AM »
Some of the most obnoxious and impossible to sit through stuff I've seen in a while.

And I just went to a baseball game.

Uninteresting and uninformative.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2012, 12:14:04 PM »
Some of the most obnoxious and impossible to sit through stuff I've seen in a while.

And I just went to a baseball game.

Uninteresting and uninformative.

Nothing but lose.

What's this?  For the first time in a long while, we might actually see eye to eye.  I forced myself to sit through three of Mr. Withun's talks and came to the conclusion that only the most ardent could suffer through this drivel.  I'll see your uninteresting and uninformative and raise you a condescending and offensive.   
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2012, 12:17:41 PM »
David Withun is very good. Pious Fabrications is a down to earth introduction to the Orthodox faith.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2012, 03:12:08 PM »
I found David Withun's channel early on, and I thought his early videos were really good. I've stopped watching them, since the channel seems to have devolved into ranting and faux-philosophizing. Oh, well.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2012, 03:24:31 PM »
David Withun is very good. Pious Fabrications is a down to earth introduction to the Orthodox faith.

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Lol. Not David. I just find him to be very informative. It is a down to earth explanation of the faith. He is very educated.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2012, 03:49:43 PM »
He is very educated.

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That certainly explains a few things.

I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2012, 10:41:19 AM »
He is very educated.

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That certainly explains a few things.



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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2012, 01:44:21 PM »
He is very educated.

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That certainly explains a few things.



Clarify?

"Very educated" and "down to earth" are almost mutually exclusive.  However, I suppose there are exceptions like with everything.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2012, 01:47:34 PM »
Count me among the "not a fan" crowd. So many words... so little actually said.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2012, 02:16:18 PM »
Subscribed. Watched a video. Unsubscribed.

But then I'm a whiny liberal, so maybe that wasn't the best introduction to him ;D
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2012, 12:32:34 AM »
I'm subscribed to David, Yusef and Gambleor. While a lot of their stuff on Orthodoxy is beginner stuff that would be good for some converts, I mainly watch for the stuff that doesn't always relate to Orthodox theology such as philosophy or politics.

The main thing I don't like is when they quote or talk about Archbishop Lazar Puhalo, ugh...

Watching David's videos has inspired me to read more. However I'm more of a history person than philosophy so I'm not interested in reading Kant, Heidegger, Freud and others.

I've honestly learned quite a bit more about philosophy than I got in school and have found David's segments on atheism to be informative. I've also found Yusef's segments on Islam to also be informative.

Yeah they aren't theologians or "top-notch" philosophers and scholars by any means, but I still like to listen, there aren't many people IRL I can discuss these things with.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2012, 12:48:24 AM »
This thread is the first time I've heard (of) the guy or his videos. I am watching one right now.

GET TO THE POINT AND STAY THERE. Sheesh. Thumbs down. And his constant "uh" pauses are distracting, so even if he had a point (which he does not seem to, but maybe it's in there somewhere) I probably wouldn't be able to focus on it.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2012, 10:53:25 AM »
This thread is the first time I've heard (of) the guy or his videos. I am watching one right now.

GET TO THE POINT AND STAY THERE. Sheesh. Thumbs down. And his constant "uh" pauses are distracting, so even if he had a point (which he does not seem to, but maybe it's in there somewhere) I probably wouldn't be able to focus on it.

He has nearly 400 videos, not all are boring. Of course I enjoy nonfiction books and watching lectures so my standards may be different.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2012, 10:56:07 AM »
Ηe liked several of my comments on the Hyperdox Herman facebook page. I was flattered.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2012, 02:05:07 PM »
This thread is the first time I've heard (of) the guy or his videos. I am watching one right now.

GET TO THE POINT AND STAY THERE. Sheesh. Thumbs down. And his constant "uh" pauses are distracting, so even if he had a point (which he does not seem to, but maybe it's in there somewhere) I probably wouldn't be able to focus on it.

Not everyone can flow like me. It is a skill not to use filler "words" at all when speaking to another person much less when trying to speak semi-extemporaneously to a camera.

Terrible delivery and content as I suggested above.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2012, 04:51:43 PM »
This thread is the first time I've heard (of) the guy or his videos. I am watching one right now.

GET TO THE POINT AND STAY THERE. Sheesh. Thumbs down. And his constant "uh" pauses are distracting, so even if he had a point (which he does not seem to, but maybe it's in there somewhere) I probably wouldn't be able to focus on it.

Not everyone can flow like me. It is a skill not to use filler "words" at all when speaking to another person much less when trying to speak semi-extemporaneously to a camera.

Terrible delivery and content as I suggested above.

I can understand delivery not being that good, but why the content? Is the content just not interesting to you?
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2012, 04:54:04 PM »
Subscribed. Watched a video. Unsubscribed.

But then I'm a whiny liberal, so maybe that wasn't the best introduction to him ;D

You know what pisses me off?  People with lisps who get angry about stupid things and yell about them and then make a video of it like other people give a rat's ass what you think.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2012, 05:02:55 PM »
Subscribed. Watched a video. Unsubscribed.

But then I'm a whiny liberal, so maybe that wasn't the best introduction to him ;D

You know what pisses me off?  People with lisps who get angry about stupid things and yell about them and then make a video of it like other people give a rat's ass what you think.

Who are you talking about?

If you think that was a serious video of him, you really need to watch more. He does not have a lisp, never yells and definitely doesn't have that weird accent.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2012, 05:07:54 PM »
Subscribed. Watched a video. Unsubscribed.

But then I'm a whiny liberal, so maybe that wasn't the best introduction to him ;D

That is a pretty hilarious video. People who take it seriously clearly don't have a sense of humor. lol

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2012, 07:10:31 PM »
For the most part, I like his videos. What I really dislike, though, is that he believes (or at least implies) that the OO are un-Orthodox on one hand, but has no problem using pictures of our Monks, Bishops, Priests, Icons, and Church architecture in his videos. I would at least like some consistency if he believes we are not fully Orthodox. That, on top of the fact that his actions could mislead people into believing that the Orthodox faith and Byzantine religion (AKA "EO") are the same when they aren't.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2012, 07:12:03 PM »
For the most part, I like his videos. What I really dislike, though, is that he calls the OO un-Orthodox on one hand, but has no problem using pictures of our Monks, Bishops, Priests, Icons, and Church architecture in his videos. I would at least like some consistency if he believes we are not fully Orthodox. That, on top of the fact that his actions could mislead people into believing that the Orthodox faith and Byzantine religion are the same when they aren't.

David has specifically complained about the fact that people take something uniquely Byzantine and treat it as if it were "the Orthodox way to do it"...
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2012, 07:15:42 PM »
For the most part, I like his videos. What I really dislike, though, is that he calls the OO un-Orthodox on one hand, but has no problem using pictures of our Monks, Bishops, Priests, Icons, and Church architecture in his videos. I would at least like some consistency if he believes we are not fully Orthodox. That, on top of the fact that his actions could mislead people into believing that the Orthodox faith and Byzantine religion are the same when they aren't.

David has specifically complained about the fact that people take something uniquely Byzantine and treat it as if it were "the Orthodox way to do it"...
You misunderstood me. When I said "the Orthodox faith" I was referring to Oriental Orthodoxy, when I said "the Byzantine religion" I was referring to the Chalcedonian Churches.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2012, 07:27:57 PM »
For the most part, I like his videos. What I really dislike, though, is that he calls the OO un-Orthodox on one hand, but has no problem using pictures of our Monks, Bishops, Priests, Icons, and Church architecture in his videos. I would at least like some consistency if he believes we are not fully Orthodox. That, on top of the fact that his actions could mislead people into believing that the Orthodox faith and Byzantine religion are the same when they aren't.

David has specifically complained about the fact that people take something uniquely Byzantine and treat it as if it were "the Orthodox way to do it"...
You misunderstood me. When I said "the Orthodox faith" I was referring to Oriental Orthodoxy, when I said "the Byzantine religion" I was referring to the Chalcedonian Churches.

You're right. I did misunderstand you. I thought you meant "the Orthodox Faith" in the sense of "Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, these two being the same faith" (as some think; I don't know if you do) and the "Byzantine religion" in the sense of "the Byzantine Rite."

How could a person who calls himself Orthodox and says OOs are not Orthodox be in any serious danger of causing confusion between EOy and OOy?
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2012, 07:47:02 PM »
I was referring to inquirers who are ignorant to both Churches and the differences between them.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2012, 07:50:40 PM »
He's a friend of mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtBAsojCmeo (at the village)
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2012, 07:53:43 PM »
For the most part, I like his videos. What I really dislike, though, is that he believes (or at least implies) that the OO are un-Orthodox on one hand, but has no problem using pictures of our Monks, Bishops, Priests, Icons, and Church architecture in his videos. I would at least like some consistency if he believes we are not fully Orthodox. That, on top of the fact that his actions could mislead people into believing that the Orthodox faith and Byzantine religion (AKA "EO") are the same when they aren't.

Do you have a video where he said this?
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2012, 04:44:38 PM »
For the most part, I like his videos. What I really dislike, though, is that he believes (or at least implies) that the OO are un-Orthodox on one hand, but has no problem using pictures of our Monks, Bishops, Priests, Icons, and Church architecture in his videos. I would at least like some consistency if he believes we are not fully Orthodox. That, on top of the fact that his actions could mislead people into believing that the Orthodox faith and Byzantine religion (AKA "EO") are the same when they aren't.

Do you have a video where he said this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCBN005CP6g&feature=plcp

I could give other references too.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2012, 09:40:54 PM »
Subscribed. Watched a video. Unsubscribed.

But then I'm a whiny liberal, so maybe that wasn't the best introduction to him ;D

I think this is the only video he's done that I liked watching.

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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2012, 09:54:51 PM »
Subscribed. Watched a video. Unsubscribed.

But then I'm a whiny liberal, so maybe that wasn't the best introduction to him ;D

That is a pretty hilarious video. People who take it seriously clearly don't have a sense of humor. lol

I don't see how anyone could have taken it (or him) seriously.   I do like how he talks about having a bumper sticker worth reading, yet his own bumper sticker says "**** happens". You're right, funny stuff. Not someone I particularly want to be subscribed to though. :)
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2012, 11:10:49 PM »
Subscribed. Watched a video. Unsubscribed.

But then I'm a whiny liberal, so maybe that wasn't the best introduction to him ;D

That is a pretty hilarious video. People who take it seriously clearly don't have a sense of humor. lol

I don't see how anyone could have taken it (or him) seriously.   I do like how he talks about having a bumper sticker worth reading, yet his own bumper sticker says "**** happens". You're right, funny stuff. Not someone I particularly want to be subscribed to though. :)

That, and maybe 1 or 2 others (out of about 400) are the only videos he's done that are very sarcastic & meant to be comical. The rest of his videos are pretty serious and intellectual.

However, I think as (maybe) I've mentioned, his videos may be a bit dry for many people out there. I like to listen to most of them, but I also like to listen to university lectures on what might be pretty boring subjects.

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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2012, 08:11:05 PM »
For the most part, I like his videos. What I really dislike, though, is that he believes (or at least implies) that the OO are un-Orthodox on one hand, but has no problem using pictures of our Monks, Bishops, Priests, Icons, and Church architecture in his videos. I would at least like some consistency if he believes we are not fully Orthodox. That, on top of the fact that his actions could mislead people into believing that the Orthodox faith and Byzantine religion (AKA "EO") are the same when they aren't.

Do you have a video where he said this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCBN005CP6g&feature=plcp

I could give other references too.

He said schismatic (same belief but separated), which is different from saying heterodox(different beliefs and separated),.......etc.

He also said that the differences between us were minute. As long as we are not in full communion with each other by way of the Eucharist then something has to be said as to why we are still two separate communions at the moment.

If you know of a better way to explain it then I'll show it to him.
 Explaining this isn't easy. I've been called a heretic by other hardline EO's for defending non-Chalcedonians, and so this sort of thing is never easy to do.
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Re: David Withun "Pious Fabrications"
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2012, 09:07:15 PM »
Been watching his videos before i converted, I liked his church history series, wish he would get back that.
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