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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2019, 11:05:45 AM »
In a discussion it is always a good idea to define terms so that everyone is on the same page. Evolution comes in two types: micro and macro. Microevolution is change within a species or small group of organisms, especially over a short period. Macroevolution is major change mainly to the evolution of whole taxonomic groups over long periods of time. I support microevolution. This is evident in everyday life to include medical science. However macroevolution, the idea that Darwin supported, is false. Small changes within a species are evident, large changes where one species turns into another is not.
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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2019, 12:51:29 PM »
In a discussion it is always a good idea to define terms so that everyone is on the same page. Evolution comes in two types: micro and macro. Microevolution is change within a species or small group of organisms, especially over a short period. Macroevolution is major change mainly to the evolution of whole taxonomic groups over long periods of time. I support microevolution. This is evident in everyday life to include medical science. However macroevolution, the idea that Darwin supported, is false. Small changes within a species are evident, large changes where one species turns into another is not.
If I recall correctly, micro and macro was discussed thoroughly in the Creationism, Evolution and Orthodoxy thread. Isolation is what distinguishes the two.
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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2019, 01:22:41 AM »
Okey dokey

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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2019, 01:23:52 AM »
Pseudo-junk science is real science.
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Junk science is science done poorly (for example, the results are questionable due to insufficient controls).Pseudo science is fake science (science in name only).

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This is entirely correct.
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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2019, 01:29:19 AM »
We have AIDS because someone had relations with monkeys.

Well, someone had relations with monkeys, and then someone who had contracted that virus directly or indirectly migrated to Greenwich Village and the infection spread rapidly, and also quickly infected the heterosexual population as well due to the free sex culture of the Hippies, in the 1960s and 70s, and it was a terrible tragedy, with many innocent victims who were infected by blood transfusions and so forth.
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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2019, 01:32:22 AM »
For those of you who haven't read up: Lots of evidence here.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-paleontology

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I know that the prevailing opinion, even in Orthodox circles, is that evolution is fact. However this is not the case and it is a sad situation. In a nut shell, I take God at his word. In John chapter 6 Christ says:

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This section is typically used to support the Orthodox belief in the real presence in the Eucharist. If you are Orthodox you believe this. So if we take God at his word when He says we actually eat his body and drink his blood, why do we not believe he created the universe in 6 days? Is the one easier to believe than the other? To believe in evolution you have to believe in death before people. This is contrary to our faith. We believe that man sinned and by his sin death entered the world, and by this death all men now die. Christ destroyed death by His death. Death was not present until man sinned. So therefore evolution must be false. Evolution in not compatible with Orthodoxy, it never has been, nor will it ever be. The fathers speak of this clearly. I truly believe that evolution will be part of the great deception at the end of the age. It is an almost universally held belief among atheists, agnostics, protestants, catholics, various world religions and sadly the Orthodox. Pray for belief my brothers and sisters.

Ummm most Creationists are Protestant, dude.  And a fair number are Roman Catholic.  Also many are Islamic.
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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2019, 02:15:21 AM »
I like my science weird. Or blinding.

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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2019, 02:18:17 AM »
No one had relations with a monkey.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/10/26/498876985/mystery-solved-how-hiv-came-to-the-u-s

This passage from Asteriktos' article tells you much the same story:

"The most commonly accepted theory is that of the 'hunter'. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten, or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on people in the course of hunting.5 Normally, the hunter's body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions the virus adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1."

All this is a lot more likely than anyone having sex with monkeys. That's literally a bad Sam Kinison joke.

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Re: Pseudo-Junk Science
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2019, 08:26:50 AM »
No one had relations with a monkey.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/10/26/498876985/mystery-solved-how-hiv-came-to-the-u-s

This passage from Asteriktos' article tells you much the same story:

"The most commonly accepted theory is that of the 'hunter'. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten, or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on people in the course of hunting.5 Normally, the hunter's body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions the virus adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1."

All this is a lot more likely than anyone having sex with monkeys. That's literally a bad Sam Kinison joke.

Come on, now.

Oh, that is interesting and sounds more plausible.  I had heard the monkey explanation before and it seemed credible, and indeed it was, but the devil is in the details.
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