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I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« on: May 08, 2012, 11:38:00 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 12:19:22 AM »
amartin,

Thanks.

You have no idea how badly I've been feeling this evening.

Literally laughed for minutes after reading this.

Then harder and longer once I saw it was in the prayer forum.

I hate it all too a lot of the time.

Thanks again.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 12:25:18 AM »
I really think that the trolls with the Old Believer personas have been more believable in the past. You're just not keeping it in the realm of believability. Maybe reset and hit the forum with something a bit more subtle.

It reminds me of what my mother once said of wearing makeup: A woman is always using it properly when it's not obvious that she's wearing any.

Also, I recall that the Mother of God was assumed bodily, so she might not be much help getting out of your flesh prison, as she is still trapped herself.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 12:36:43 AM »
I really think that the trolls with the Old Believer personas have been more believable in the past. You're just not keeping it in the realm of believability. Maybe reset and hit the forum with something a bit more subtle.

It reminds me of what my mother once said of wearing makeup: A woman is always using it properly when it's not obvious that she's wearing any.

Also, I recall that the Mother of God was assumed bodily, so she might not be much help getting out of your flesh prison, as she is still trapped herself.

I disagree. His transparency at first was boring, then he went nuclear with it and in its absurdity has become quite entertaining.

In any case, a good belly laugh was needed. So a prayer was answered.

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 01:04:48 AM »
Well, I haven't been tracking the progression, so I've probably missed out on the building humor.

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 01:18:10 AM »
God be with you amartin. 
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 01:22:15 AM »
Everybody wants to be an arhat, but no one wants to do the work.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 02:33:39 AM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2012, 02:52:58 AM »
God be with you amartin. 

Thus far, the most charitable, Christian response. 

amartin,  I hope you'll forgive me for my childish replies to you.  I'm not certain yet if you're pulling our collective chains or are really going through a spiritual crisis.  There are good arguments for both cases, I guess.  Still, I shouldn't have said what I did.  PM me if you want to talk it through.  I'm no boon of spiritual wisdom, but I can listen. 
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 03:50:04 AM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

God created the Heavens and the Earth, all things visible and invisible. The scriptures tells us that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. Again amartin, the world is not so evil as you think.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 05:56:27 AM »
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Also, I recall that the Mother of God was assumed bodily, so she might not be much help getting out of your flesh prison, as she is still trapped herself.

Christ, too, ascended bodily to heaven. He did not abandon His human flesh or human nature.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 10:47:40 AM »
What does flesh and bones have to do with the material world?

Even if you believe that you are only flesh and bones (spirit?), you don't have to conform to materialism or the exploitation that it often causes.  Christ even told the rich man to sell his possessions and follow him.  Monks take the vow of poverty.   I believe that as Christians, we don't have to conform to materialism if we so choose to.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 12:18:03 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

Congratulations, you're a Gnostic dualist. So much for righeousness.

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2012, 12:53:10 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

Congratulations, you're a Gnostic dualist. So much for righeousness.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2012, 12:54:32 PM »
What does flesh and bones have to do with the material world?

Even if you believe that you are only flesh and bones (spirit?), you don't have to conform to materialism or the exploitation that it often causes.  Christ even told the rich man to sell his possessions and follow him.  Monks take the vow of poverty.   I believe that as Christians, we don't have to conform to materialism if we so choose to.

I don't think you understand the materialism amartin is referring to.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2012, 02:29:19 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

That's fine. I don't think gnostic heretics inherit the earth. There's nothing meek about heresy.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2012, 02:33:52 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2012, 03:08:48 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

That's fine. I don't think gnostic heretics inherit the earth. There's nothing meek about heresy.

You do realize the Gnosticism truly has nothing other than historical coincidence to do with the radical moral dualism being presented here.

The case can easily be made that more than a few Orthodox here are truly Gnostic (see noetic prayer, spiritual elders, etc.) and probably most Americans are as anti-materialistic as amartin here in this sense of materialism. Hence the emphasis on "spirituality" over "religion" we hear so much about. Again, on the over-indulging in spirituality, see Orthodoxy around here.


 
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2012, 03:56:45 PM »
Whenever I read this thread, I can't help but think of the KIDS Inc. version of Madonna's "Material Girl", complete with a young Stacy Fergusen!
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2012, 05:14:29 PM »
Whenever I read this thread, I can't help but think of the KIDS Inc. version of Madonna's "Material Girl", complete with a young Stacy Fergusen!

How did I not know about this TV show? Oh yeah, I didn't really have TV as a kid.

Awesome.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2012, 10:09:58 PM »
Thank you for the two charitable responses. This was supposed to be in the prayer forum. But I guess the moderators wanted the prayers of liberation to be thwarted...

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2012, 10:12:29 PM »
Whenever I read this thread, I can't help but think of the KIDS Inc. version of Madonna's "Material Girl", complete with a young Stacy Fergusen!

How could you post that wickedness? Please realize that by watching that video all men are automatically set back by one full day of spiritual advancement.

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2012, 10:40:41 PM »
Whenever I read this thread, I can't help but think of the KIDS Inc. version of Madonna's "Material Girl", complete with a young Stacy Fergusen!

How could you post that wickedness? Please realize that by watching that video all men are automatically set back by one full day of spiritual advancement.

The Kidz are indeed alright. And so are you.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2012, 10:47:29 PM »
Whenever I read this thread, I can't help but think of the KIDS Inc. version of Madonna's "Material Girl", complete with a young Stacy Fergusen!

How could you post that wickedness? Please realize that by watching that video all men are automatically set back by one full day of spiritual advancement.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2012, 11:13:26 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

Amartin, the demons are spirits, yet they are not at peace. being disembodied is not a guarantee of the end of pain and suffering. if  while in the flesh one can feel pain for a certain time, imagine how long the pain of the spirit lasts? the Son of God entered matter to transfigure it, you are given a gift of precious time where through the light of Christ, you learn to love yourself and others, and be kind to yourself and others, to learn to forgive yourself and others. you learn to be the beautiful human being you are created to be. If I were to be disembodied while still hating others, still hating myself, still  crippled and tied down with fear, anger, rage, jealously etc.. what good is it to me? what freedom is that when I am still a slave to such things? 

challenge yourself to be kind...., see how free you are.
challenge yourself to love... and see how free you are
challenge yourself to be compassionate... and fulfill your purpose..

what better place to do all that , than where you are needed here in this world where pain and suffering is rampant.
with whom to start , other than with yourself?

May the Prayer of the Most Holy Theotokos be with you!
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2012, 11:16:49 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

Amartin, the demons are spirits, yet they are not at peace. being disembodied is not a guarantee of the end of pain and suffering. if  while in the flesh one can feel pain for a certain time, imagine how long the pain of the spirit lasts? the Son of God entered matter to transfigure it, you are given a gift of precious time where through the light of Christ, you learn to love yourself and others, and be kind to yourself and others, to learn to forgive yourself and others. you learn to be the beautiful human being you are created to be. If I were to be disembodied while still hating others, still hating myself, still  crippled and tied down with fear, anger, rage, jealously etc.. what good is it to me? what freedom is that when I am still a slave to such things? 

challenge yourself to be kind...., see how free you are.
challenge yourself to love... and see how free you are
challenge yourself to be compassionate... and fulfill your purpose..

what better place to do all that , than where you are needed here in this world where pain and suffering is rampant.
with whom to start , other than with yourself?

May the Prayers of the Most Holy Theotokos be with you!

amartin,

Notice the sincere and diligent posts Hiwot continues to offer you and thus everyone.

What a kindness. Not matter how much jest or true unrest you feel, this should certainly give you some solace, I hope.

In any case, thanks to both of you. You both offer me relief in quite different but equally important ways.

 
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2012, 11:22:37 PM »
u mad about being flesh and bones, bro?

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2012, 11:27:43 PM »
Wyatt, I see that graphic here and there. Can you give me a link about what it is? I am too lazy to reverse google image search it.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2012, 11:30:42 PM »
Wyatt, I see that graphic here and there. Can you give me a link about what it is? I am too lazy to reverse google image search it.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2012, 11:33:25 PM »
Wyatt, I see that graphic here and there. Can you give me a link about what it is? I am too lazy to reverse google image search it.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollface-coolface-problem

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2012, 11:34:23 PM »
I hate being flesh and bones. I believe that the material world is caused by the Fall of Man and is inhabited by demons and is evil. May the disembodied righteous spirits please pray for me to the Lord God to be liberated. I never want to return to earth.

HOLY MOTHER MARY PRAY FOR US.

Amartin, the demons are spirits, yet they are not at peace. being disembodied is not a guarantee of the end of pain and suffering. if  while in the flesh one can feel pain for a certain time, imagine how long the pain of the spirit lasts? the Son of God entered matter to transfigure it, you are given a gift of precious time where through the light of Christ, you learn to love yourself and others, and be kind to yourself and others, to learn to forgive yourself and others. you learn to be the beautiful human being you are created to be. If I were to be disembodied while still hating others, still hating myself, still  crippled and tied down with fear, anger, rage, jealously etc.. what good is it to me? what freedom is that when I am still a slave to such things? 

challenge yourself to be kind...., see how free you are.
challenge yourself to love... and see how free you are
challenge yourself to be compassionate... and fulfill your purpose..

what better place to do all that , than where you are needed here in this world where pain and suffering is rampant.
with whom to start , other than with yourself?

May the Prayers of the Most Holy Theotokos be with you!

amartin,

Notice the sincere and diligent posts Hiwot continues to offer you and thus everyone.

What a kindness. Not matter how much jest or true unrest you feel, this should certainly give you some solace, I hope.

In any case, thanks to both of you. You both offer me relief in quite different but equally important ways.

 

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2012, 11:48:56 PM »
Hiwot,

Thank you for the reflections. They are very encouraging.

I didn't mean to suggest that disembodiment is liberation for everyone. For the sinners it seals them to hell. But for the righteous it is a liberation. Even Saul of Tarsus said:

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"as long as we are at home in the body we are exiled from the Lord... desire instead to be exiled from the body and to be at home with the Lord (2nd letter to Corinthian pagans)

He said many other things to the same effect.

But thank you for you following Yashua in this world of apostasy. It is encouraging.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2012, 12:59:37 AM »
Also, I recall that the Mother of God was assumed bodily, so she might not be much help getting out of your flesh prison, as she is still trapped herself.

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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2012, 02:23:14 AM »
Whenever I read this thread, I can't help but think of the KIDS Inc. version of Madonna's "Material Girl", complete with a young Stacy Fergusen!

How could you post that wickedness? Please realize that by watching that video all men are automatically set back by one full day of spiritual advancement.

So there's a system now?  What can I do to get ahead five or six days, maybe a month even?
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2012, 02:23:14 AM »
Whenever I read this thread, I can't help but think of the KIDS Inc. version of Madonna's "Material Girl", complete with a young Stacy Fergusen!

How could you post that wickedness? Please realize that by watching that video all men are automatically set back by one full day of spiritual advancement.

The Kidz are indeed alright. And so are you.

That was a good movie.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2012, 02:22:13 PM »
You gonna be frustrated when you realise that your soul is material as well.
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Re: I hate being flesh and bones and the material world
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2012, 01:32:49 PM »
I really think that the trolls with the Old Believer personas have been more believable in the past. You're just not keeping it in the realm of believability. Maybe reset and hit the forum with something a bit more subtle.

It reminds me of what my mother once said of wearing makeup: A woman is always using it properly when it's not obvious that she's wearing any.

Also, I recall that the Mother of God was assumed bodily, so she might not be much help getting out of your flesh prison, as she is still trapped herself.
LOL.  Of course the problem is that she is only the Mother of God because He got His flesh from her.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth