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What's the deal with Ketchup?
« on: May 08, 2012, 01:37:32 AM »
For example, look at Mustard; he's branched out into so many different varieties, colors and flavors.  Sometimes he's spicy while other times he's savory.  Even BBQ sauce ain't shy about trying new looks and adding variety ('an I don't wanna hear from you 'dry-rub' snobs!  ;)).  But Ketchup... He just sits there and refuses to try new looks/spices.  I hear tell he tried years ago, but he just gave up.  Any y'all know the scoop? 
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 01:50:27 AM »
For example, look at Mustard; he's branched out into so many different varieties, colors and flavors.  Sometimes he's spicy while other times he's savory.  Even BBQ sauce ain't shy about trying new looks and adding variety ('an I don't wanna hear from you 'dry-rub' snobs!  ;)).  But Ketchup... He just sits there and refuses to try new looks/spices.  I hear tell he tried years ago, but he just gave up.  Any y'all know the scoop? 
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2012, 01:52:52 AM »
For example, look at Mustard; he's branched out into so many different varieties, colors and flavors.  Sometimes he's spicy while other times he's savory.  Even BBQ sauce ain't shy about trying new looks and adding variety ('an I don't wanna hear from you 'dry-rub' snobs!  ;)).  But Ketchup... He just sits there and refuses to try new looks/spices.  I hear tell he tried years ago, but he just gave up.  Any y'all know the scoop? 
He just doesn't want to catch up with his competitors.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2012, 02:10:21 AM »
For example, look at Mustard; he's branched out into so many different varieties, colors and flavors.  Sometimes he's spicy while other times he's savory.  Even BBQ sauce ain't shy about trying new looks and adding variety ('an I don't wanna hear from you 'dry-rub' snobs!  ;)).  But Ketchup... He just sits there and refuses to try new looks/spices.  I hear tell he tried years ago, but he just gave up.  Any y'all know the scoop? 

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2012, 02:59:41 AM »
I had some ketchup infused with tabasco sauce a couple years ago.

Just keep it with the normal flavor. It's worked well for this long.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 09:09:13 AM »
Yall remember those different colors of ketchup they had a while back?  They had green, purple and blue.  Supposedly it tasted the same, but i never touched it.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 09:14:58 AM »
Ketchup here has all sorts of different varieties / spices / flavors.   That's probably because other sauces aren't very common.  I'd love to be able to get some good BBQ sauce or something that is actually and truly spicy. 

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 09:20:55 AM »
I'm from Pittsburgh and Heinz kind of owns.

I love Ketchup. My homeboy Rodney got me eating ketchup with my bologna sandwiches, now I eat it with everything.

Why Ketchup doesn't do other flavors? Because this failed:

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2012, 09:26:13 AM »
Mustard, FTW!!!!!!!

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2012, 09:33:47 AM »
I'm from Pittsburgh and Heinz kind of owns.

I love Ketchup. My homeboy Rodney got me eating ketchup with my bologna sandwiches, now I eat it with everything.

Why Ketchup doesn't do other flavors? Because this failed:



thats what i was talking about. so gross looking!!
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2012, 09:38:18 AM »
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2012, 09:43:31 AM »
Ketchup is the only condiment to have retained continuity with the earliest condiment company founded by Henry Heinz in AD 1869. Mustard, on the other hand, has fragmented into so many conflicting flavors that it's barely recognizable in relation to the earliest mustard condiment served by Robert French in 1904. This is why ketchup is the True Condiment.  ;)
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2012, 09:59:03 AM »
Imagine what Ketchup tasted like when it didn't use tomatoes. :o
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 10:35:41 AM »
Dear Everyone,

I have heard that the origin of my favorite condiment is a fishy Asian sauce.  I am, however, not a food historian.  Perhaps one of the more knowledgeable forum members will provide input.  There must be some wonderful maps that trace the migration of Ketchup to the West. 

As far as I can tell, Ketchup is not prohibited on any fasting days!

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2012, 01:55:12 PM »
I do recall seeing ketchup packets with "Fancy" on it.   Ketchup, you're being much too modest.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2012, 02:57:33 PM »
I'd love to be able to get some good BBQ sauce or something that is actually and truly spicy. 

In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend. Barbecue in other places is not worthy of the noble name. Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2012, 03:23:31 PM »
I do recall seeing ketchup packets with "Fancy" on it.   Ketchup, you're being much too modest.

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2012, 03:40:57 PM »
My first posting since my week's vacation is simply this....you leave ketchup alone! :)

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2012, 03:45:28 PM »
I'd love to be able to get some good BBQ sauce or something that is actually and truly spicy. 

In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend. Barbecue in other places is not worthy of the noble name. Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it.

The Union could've taken care of the Confederacy Byzantine-style by sparking a war between the southern states over barbecue.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2012, 04:06:02 PM »
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In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend
You can keep that mustard based abomination.....give me North Carolina/Virginia. Thank you.

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Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it
That barbarity should never be repeated again.

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2012, 05:02:13 PM »
I'd love to be able to get some good BBQ sauce or something that is actually and truly spicy. 

In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend. Barbecue in other places is not worthy of the noble name. Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it.

The Union could've taken care of the Confederacy Byzantine-style by sparking a war between the southern states over barbecue.

There are actually supposed to be three separate "barbecue zones" in South Carolina. You could easily start a fight over it.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2012, 05:03:29 PM »
Ketchup at one time was made from any variety of fruit / vegetable bulk waste from large scale manufacturing of food.

For some reason the tomato variety just caught on.

And you can find at least one variation in many German speaking grocers, the curried variety thanks to the culinary misagos of Turks eating sausage.

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2012, 05:47:50 PM »
For example, look at Mustard; he's branched out into so many different varieties, colors and flavors.  Sometimes he's spicy while other times he's savory.  Even BBQ sauce ain't shy about trying new looks and adding variety ('an I don't wanna hear from you 'dry-rub' snobs!  ;)).  But Ketchup... He just sits there and refuses to try new looks/spices.  I hear tell he tried years ago, but he just gave up.  Any y'all know the scoop? 

Heinz makes Ketchup with both Tabasco and Balsamic vinegar.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2012, 07:11:13 PM »
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In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend
You can keep that mustard based abomination.....give me North Carolina/Virginia. Thank you.

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Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it
That barbarity should never be repeated again.

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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2012, 09:09:39 PM »
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In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend
You can keep that mustard based abomination.....give me North Carolina/Virginia. Thank you.

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Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it
That barbarity should never be repeated again.

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Can I be the Arrow to your Oblio?  :P

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Can I be the Arrow to your Oblio?  :P

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2012, 12:22:31 AM »
I do recall seeing ketchup packets with "Fancy" on it.   Ketchup, you're being much too modest.

Jim Gaffigan is pretty funny, huh?



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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2012, 06:20:41 AM »
One must not forget grape ketchup, an old New England and Canadian Maritime favorite - best served on macaroni and cheese. And, despite the silly colors that were marketed for a while, there is a time-honored green tomato ktchup, difficult to find commercially (not sure anyone makes it that way anymore), but still able to be concocted at home - and quite excellent.

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2012, 09:16:53 AM »
I'd love to be able to get some good BBQ sauce or something that is actually and truly spicy. 

In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend. Barbecue in other places is not worthy of the noble name. Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it.

Kansas City is as close as I've ever been to the South and even there the BBQ was great (at least to my palate). 

IS BBQ sauce that hard to make?  I make my own ketchup, so I'd imagine it is just a few extra steps assuming I can find all the ingredients. 

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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2012, 10:02:51 AM »
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Kansas City is as close as I've ever been to the South and even there the BBQ was great (at least to my palate).
KC is good. I also like Memphis. However, I like a slightly vinegar-y taste in Virginia/NC BBQ.

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IS BBQ sauce that hard to make?  I make my own ketchup, so I'd imagine it is just a few extra steps assuming I can find all the ingredients
It is very very easy. Especially if you have a blender.

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2012, 11:43:06 AM »
I'd love to be able to get some good BBQ sauce or something that is actually and truly spicy. 

In order to find good barbecue, and sauce, you must go to South Carolina, my friend. Barbecue in other places is not worthy of the noble name. Why, I have heard tales (erroneous, I'm sure) that in some places barbecue is not even pork but rather beef, if you can believe it.

That place is called Texas...
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2012, 12:04:53 PM »
So when making a good BBQ sauce what recipe should a follow?  Any suggestions?   

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« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2012, 12:49:04 PM »
So when making a good BBQ sauce what recipe should a follow?  Any suggestions?   

What kind do you like? (vinegar, mustard, ketchup, molasses based)
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2012, 12:52:27 PM »

I've heard folks use mayonnaise.  I've been afraid to try it, though.

I usually take a ready made bottle of bbq sauce and than "tweak" it to make it even better.
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I've heard folks use mayonnaise.  I've been afraid to try it, though.
That is barbecue heresy!

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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2012, 01:07:54 PM »
So when making a good BBQ sauce what recipe should a follow?  Any suggestions?   

My family starts with a ketchup/ worcestershire/ brown sugar base.  If you can't find brown sugar, you could probably substitute molasses or treacle.  Then add finely chopped onions (or onion powder), a little chipotle powder and liquid smoke.   That'll get you started.  Especially if you like KC-style bbq.  My family uses the above for our base, but from there we get a little exotic.  People seem to really love it and we've thought about selling it....
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2012, 01:17:31 PM »
Tomato paste/worsteshire/vinegar base here.

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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2012, 01:46:06 PM »
ketchup/ worcestershire/ brown sugar base.  If you can't find brown sugar, you could probably substitute molasses or treacle.  Then add finely chopped onions (or onion powder), a little chipotle powder and liquid smoke.   

Ketchup????!!!!
Chipotle????!!!!
Liquid smoke!!!!???

Is outrage!
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2012, 01:50:51 PM »
ketchup/ worcestershire/ brown sugar base.  If you can't find brown sugar, you could probably substitute molasses or treacle.  Then add finely chopped onions (or onion powder), a little chipotle powder and liquid smoke.   

Ketchup????!!!!
Chipotle????!!!!
Liquid smoke!!!!???

Is outrage!

NEW YORK CITY?!!!

Also, there's nothing wrong with using liquid smoke in preparing sauces.  Only people who don't cook complain about its use.
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2012, 02:24:08 PM »
ketchup/ worcestershire/ brown sugar base.  If you can't find brown sugar, you could probably substitute molasses or treacle.  Then add finely chopped onions (or onion powder), a little chipotle powder and liquid smoke.   

Ketchup????!!!!
Chipotle????!!!!
Liquid smoke!!!!???

Is outrage!

 :D LOL!  Well, with the exception of chipotle, that's how my born and raised TN granny done it!   
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Re: What's the deal with Ketchup?
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2012, 02:36:35 PM »
So when making a good BBQ sauce what recipe should a follow?  Any suggestions?   

My family starts with a ketchup/ worcestershire/ brown sugar base.  If you can't find brown sugar, you could probably substitute molasses or treacle.  Then add finely chopped onions (or onion powder), a little chipotle powder and liquid smoke.   That'll get you started.  Especially if you like KC-style bbq.  My family uses the above for our base, but from there we get a little exotic.  People seem to really love it and we've thought about selling it....

Thanks!  I'll really have to do some hunting to some of this stuff, but it might be possible.   I know molasses is definitely out.  I think I remember seeing worcestershire sauce before.  This could be a fun summer project.   My father-in-law and I like to have cookouts (Shashlyk) whenever there is a holiday, so some BBQ sauce will be a nice addition.