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« on: May 05, 2012, 09:33:42 AM »

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MAYFIELD, Ky. (BP) -- Southern Baptists originally did not attach much significance to Easter. This was much the same regarding Christmas....

Both days were not recognized as a special day of worship in any of the historic Baptist confessions; allusions to them were rare in Baptist history volumes before the 20th century; and both holidays possessed an association with worldliness, and even paganism, in the minds of many Baptist ministers. Even as late as 1903, a writer for the North Carolina state Baptist paper, the Biblical Recorder, wrote an anti-Easter article that stated that "Baptists do not keep this day" (March 18, 1903).
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 09:43:35 AM »

Those crazy 19th centuryers  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 10:20:38 AM »

Yeah, they missed out on a lot of chocolate bunnies.  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 10:32:31 AM »

Those crazy 19th centuryers  Smiley

Actually, it was a pretty standard position amongst the British Non-comformists from the 17th Century, from whom many of our American Baptist denominations are descended. As far as Baptists have tradition, Easter and Christmas are modernist innovations.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 01:19:31 PM »

Who cares, we celebrate Pascha, not Easter  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2012, 02:15:07 AM »

Who cares, we celebrate Pascha, not Easter  Grin
There's a difference?
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 08:27:35 AM »

Interesting, as I was out of town for Easter and visited a Baptist Church for service. I am not, nor do I have any significant knowledge of Baptist theology or doctrine. I thought it odd that while there was a sunrise 'Easter' service, the sermon for the 'main' service that day had nothing to do with the Resurrection or Easter at all.

Perhaps for the Baptist it is not all that odd then!?

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 08:56:17 PM »

I am tired of protestants questioning me (with a hint of accusation) when I say things like "today is Palm Sunday" or "next Sunday is Pentecost", while simultaneously thinking nothing of celebrating "Easter" according to some astronomical formula standardised hundreds of years ago by the very Roman Church which they revile.

At least their ancestors had the consistency to eschew all Popery and "traditions of men", unlike the current crop who just pick and choose according to taste.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 09:03:20 PM »

I am tired of protestants questioning me (with a hint of accusation) when I say things like "today is Palm Sunday" or "next Sunday is Pentecost", while simultaneously thinking nothing of celebrating "Easter" according to some astronomical formula standardised hundreds of years ago by the very Roman Church which they revile.

At least their ancestors had the consistency to eschew all Popery and "traditions of men", unlike the current crop who just pick and choose according to taste.

Oddly enough, the only time I get Protestants questioning me about "today is Palm Sunday" is when Orthodox Palm Sunday falls on a different date than Western. I wonder if your Australian Low Church types are more hardcore than the American variant. Pentecost seems to have fallen by the Low Church Separatist wayside, though.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 11:53:40 PM »

Most of them still dont care much for it.  At best, its just a single day where we maybe do a sermon about the resurrection, as long as it doesnt interfere with the cool/funny sermon series the pastor is in the middle of.

I certainly dont know of any baptist churches that view Easter as a whole season.  It just comes and goes.  No different than any other Sunday.

Regarding Christmas, a lot of churches I know of cancelled church altogether when Christmas fell on a Sunday this past year.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2012, 07:41:34 AM »

I've noticed when talking to these protestants and atheists who would maintain that easter is pagan they can't give any sort of reasoning for this. THe only thing they can do is repeat "easter is derived from a pagan Goddess" completely oblivious to the fact that this happens only in the english and I believe the german has a like minded term.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2012, 09:21:42 AM »

I've noticed when talking to these protestants and atheists who would maintain that easter is pagan they can't give any sort of reasoning for this. THe only thing they can do is repeat "easter is derived from a pagan Goddess" completely oblivious to the fact that this happens only in the english and I believe the german has a like minded term.

Right,  Eostre was a pagan Germanic goddess of fertility.. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2012, 09:29:18 AM »

I've noticed when talking to these protestants and atheists who would maintain that easter is pagan they can't give any sort of reasoning for this. THe only thing they can do is repeat "easter is derived from a pagan Goddess" completely oblivious to the fact that this happens only in the english and I believe the german has a like minded term.

Right,  Eostre was a pagan Germanic goddess of fertility.. 
Well, according to one source, I believe, so even that claim (that Eostre was a deity) is debatable.
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2012, 02:03:57 PM »

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Those crazy 19th centuryers  Smiley
As far as Baptists have tradition.
Generally speaking, the tradition which Baptists have is to reject tradition.  If anything, they rejected Easter because it was Tradition, and then when it became traditionally Baptist to reject such, they had to then revive Easter to reject their own tradition Wink

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2012, 02:09:54 PM »

I've noticed when talking to these protestants and atheists who would maintain that easter is pagan they can't give any sort of reasoning for this. THe only thing they can do is repeat "easter is derived from a pagan Goddess" completely oblivious to the fact that this happens only in the english and I believe the german has a like minded term.

Right,  Eostre was a pagan Germanic goddess of fertility.. 
Well, according to one source, I believe, so even that claim (that Eostre was a deity) is debatable.

Indeed.  Bede.  A single line in Bede.  Compounded by the imagination of 19th century German philologists and linguists.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 02:17:02 PM »

I've noticed when talking to these protestants and atheists who would maintain that easter is pagan they can't give any sort of reasoning for this. THe only thing they can do is repeat "easter is derived from a pagan Goddess" completely oblivious to the fact that this happens only in the english and I believe the german has a like minded term.

Right,  Eostre was a pagan Germanic goddess of fertility.. 
Well, according to one source, I believe, so even that claim (that Eostre was a deity) is debatable.

Indeed.  Bede.  A single line in Bede.  Compounded by the imagination of 19th century German philologists and linguists.


Yep. I love St. Bede. But I don't think there is any evidence that, in this particular case, he knew what he was talking about. AFAIK, modern scholarship thinks he was engaged in a bit of bad folk etymology and simply didn't know where the English word came from.
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2012, 12:48:00 PM »

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I have come across this on the fringes of Baptist and other Protestant life. I believe it is called "the regulative principle". The idea is based on 'sola scriptura', and the aim is to have a religion which contains nothing that is not specifically in scripture - such as the date of Christ's birth, or the date of his death and resurrection. It does not of course means that these people have any less a hold on the doctrines of his actual birth, death and rising again, only that they do not mark them on any particular date as none is specified in scripture.

I have friends who hold such views: the husband is an Afrikaaner, and I suspect that such views may be widespread in his homeland too.

Most Baptists of course celebrate Christmas on 25th December, and Easter on the western date in Britain and the eastern date in Greece.
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2012, 12:53:27 PM »

Most Baptists of course celebrate Christmas on 25th December, and Easter on the western date in Britain and the eastern date in Greece.

Greek Old Calendarist Baptists. LOL.
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2012, 05:02:40 PM »

Greek Old Calendarist Baptists. LOL.

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Greek Old Calendarist Baptists. LOL.

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2012, 10:45:56 PM »

Who cares, we celebrate Pascha, not Easter  Grin
There's a difference?

We love to make distinctions.  That is not the only thing St. Bede the Venerable was wrong about with regard to the resurrection, but in general his works are good.  But that is another topic altogether. 
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