Grace does not come to those who tuck in their shirts and wear neck ties

[Aindriú]

and yes, orthonorm approve of this message (sorta).

There's a surprise. I was wondering where you were.

[FormerReformer]

Quick show of hands- how many of us here actually do wear ties to church on a regular basis?

How many of us attend a parish where the people our age normally wear ties as regular Sunday attire?

How many us attend parishes where those wearing ties are of that "you wear a tie to church" cross-denominational generation?

I'm just wondering where this epidemic of pants-tucking tie-wearing is, 'cause I sure as spit don't see it, and I currently attend a Greek Country Club parish.

[Paisius]

Think about the ranks of angels and saints. None of them could ever conceive of tucking in their shirts or wearing neck ties. Nor will they help those who offend the righteous order of dress on earth. Those are things of the Satan's regime to make men look like docile servants of the apostate corporate state. We must dress like the saints to gain any rank in the celestial Kingdom.

think about the ranks of angels and saints none of them could ever conceive of using periods or other punctuation nor will they help those who offend the righteous order of scribing on earth those are things of the satans regime to make men look like docile servants of the apostate corporate state we must scribe like the saints to gain any rank in the celestial kingdom

[FormerReformer]

Think about the ranks of angels and saints. None of them could ever conceive of tucking in their shirts or wearing neck ties. Nor will they help those who offend the righteous order of dress on earth. Those are things of the Satan's regime to make men look like docile servants of the apostate corporate state. We must dress like the saints to gain any rank in the celestial Kingdom.

think about the ranks of angels and saints none of them could ever conceive of using periods or other punctuation nor will they help those who offend the righteous order of scribing on earth those are things of the satans regime to make men look like docile servants of the apostate corporate state we must scribe like the saints to gain any rank in the celestial kingdom

PUNCTUATION LIKE LOWER CASE LETTERS IS A WESTERN INNOVATION THAT DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK TEXTS AND THUS SHOULD BE AVOIDED BY ALL PIOUS ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS

[xariskai]

When the Bible was written, NO ONE wore pants.

Thread over. Isa wins again.

[Alveus Lacuna]

I think a necktie can look very nice. Some of you hippies need to grow up and get a job. Stupid boomers...

[orthonorm]

and yes, orthonorm approve of this message (sorta).

There's a surprise. I was wondering where you were.

Dude you should see me in my custom     . You off the rack jack.

Lighten up.

[PeterTheAleut]

I personally agree that it is better to have the lower waist region covered rather than tucking in the shirt.

What do you think pants do?

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

I personally agree that it is better to have the lower waist region covered rather than tucking in the shirt.

What do you think pants do?

A lot of pants don't cover much up these days. Even loose dress slacks can still reveal the form of the posterior. I think it would be nice if men and women could all wear robes to Church. But we don't want to look too different from the world, otherwise people might think we actually are different from the world.

That being said, I have much bigger issues to worry about regarding my salvation than what people wear.


Selam

[PeterTheAleut]

I personally agree that it is better to have the lower waist region covered rather than tucking in the shirt.

What do you think pants do?

A lot of pants don't cover much up these days. Even loose dress slacks can still reveal the form of the posterior. I think it would be nice if men and women could all wear robes to Church. But we don't want to look too different from the world, otherwise people might think we actually are different from the world.

I not sure I agree with the above statement, since I'm not really sure what anyone could gain by looking at my butt, but I certainly agree with the below, so I'll just leave it at this.

That being said, I have much bigger issues to worry about regarding my salvation than what people wear.

[dcommini]

so according to the title of this thread I should have grace as I usually don't tuck in my shirt or wear a neck tie when I go to church

[JamesR]

...otherwise people might think we actually are different from the world.

But we are. John 15:18-19

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

[Ansgar]

amartin, I must admit, I have failed to see the purpose of all this. You have made several threads over the last days in which you have made a statement about different theological or ethical subjects. That have been done many times before, but in all those other cases, I could always see a meaning with it. Many of them have let to very interesting discussions, but in this case I am confused. Maybe I just can't see it. So I am asking you(and please don't take this as an attack) what is your intention with all these posts? Are you trying to convince us of something, or do you just wish to discuss these subjects? (If the latter is the case, I think that maybe, we should all try a different approach).

I am merely curious.

Thank you for the non-hostility.

In actuality, I am trying to get a feel for how mainline Eastern Orthodox people feel about these issues. It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.

I think this is where the problem lies. Righteousness in the Orthodox Church is seen as an entirely different thing than what you have described. Righteousness doesn't necessarily belong to the one who is able to pray the longest or the one who appear as the most pious. It belongs to he who seeks God with all his heart, he who humble himself before the Lord and who tries to follow the commandmensts of Christ. You asked us in another thread if we saw ourselves as righteous. If I look into myself and I see that I have sinned, that I have not done all I could to change myself,  should I then lie to myself by calling myself righteous, or should I acknowledge that I need to work harder.

Saint Maria of Paris said this:  

'At the Last Judgment I will not be asked whether I satisfactorily practised asceticism, nor how many bows I have made before the divine altar: I will be asked whether I fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick, and the prisoner in his jail. That is all I will be asked.'

[Tallitot]

Do angels wear shirts and ties? 

Not on casual Fridays.

[Tallitot]

I think a necktie can look very nice. Some of you hippies need to grow up and get a job. Stupid boomers...

Well said Alveus.

[Tallitot]

"Grace does not come to those who tuck in their shirts and wear neck ties"
So Grace likes guys who dress down a little? Well that's her perogative.

[Aindriú]

and yes, orthonorm approve of this message (sorta).

There's a surprise. I was wondering where you were.

Dude you should see me in my custom     . You off the rack jack.

Lighten up.

 

[Luckster]

I never wear suits to Church. I'd rather go naked, let God see me as I am.

There's a Protestant group for that too.

[PeterTheAleut]

"Grace does not come to those who tuck in their shirts and wear neck ties"
So Grace likes guys who dress down a little? Well that's her perogative.

[Ortho_cat]

"Grace does not come to those who tuck in their shirts and wear neck ties"
So Grace likes guys who dress down a little? Well that's her perogative.

If this is the Grace the OP is referring to, then I can certainly understand. She's worth the suit and tie.

[Alveus Lacuna]

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

 

Thanks for making my day!

[augustin717]

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

 

Thanks for making my day!

Brother James, you are in dire need of purification, let alone theosis!

[Aindriú]

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

Someone needs to help you with proper technique. Especially since you're staring at all the pretty girl during liturgy.

[Ortho_cat]

...otherwise people might think we actually are different from the world.

But we are. John 15:18-19

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

ah, the joys of adolescence.

[Tallitot]

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

Someone needs to help you with proper technique. Especially since you're staring at all the pretty girl during liturgy.

Or watching a hot guy doing prostrations.

[podkarpatska]

amartin, I must admit, I have failed to see the purpose of all this. You have made several threads over the last days in which you have made a statement about different theological or ethical subjects. That have been done many times before, but in all those other cases, I could always see a meaning with it. Many of them have let to very interesting discussions, but in this case I am confused. Maybe I just can't see it. So I am asking you(and please don't take this as an attack) what is your intention with all these posts? Are you trying to convince us of something, or do you just wish to discuss these subjects? (If the latter is the case, I think that maybe, we should all try a different approach).

I am merely curious.

Thank you for the non-hostility.

In actuality, I am trying to get a feel for how mainline Eastern Orthodox people feel about these issues. It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.

I think this is where the problem lies. Righteousness in the Orthodox Church is seen as an entirely different thing than what you have described. Righteousness doesn't necessarily belong to the one who is able to pray the longest or the one who appear as the most pious. It belongs to he who seeks God with all his heart, he who humble himself before the Lord and who tries to follow the commandmensts of Christ. You asked us in another thread if we saw ourselves as righteous. If I look into myself and I see that I have sinned, that I have not done all I could to change myself,  should I then lie to myself by calling myself righteous, or should I acknowledge that I need to work harder.

Saint Maria of Paris said this:  

'At the Last Judgment I will not be asked whether I satisfactorily practised asceticism, nor how many bows I have made before the divine altar: I will be asked whether I fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick, and the prisoner in his jail. That is all I will be asked.'

Amen x3.

[Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)]

amartin, I must admit, I have failed to see the purpose of all this. You have made several threads over the last days in which you have made a statement about different theological or ethical subjects. That have been done many times before, but in all those other cases, I could always see a meaning with it. Many of them have let to very interesting discussions, but in this case I am confused. Maybe I just can't see it. So I am asking you(and please don't take this as an attack) what is your intention with all these posts? Are you trying to convince us of something, or do you just wish to discuss these subjects? (If the latter is the case, I think that maybe, we should all try a different approach).

I am merely curious.

Thank you for the non-hostility.

In actuality, I am trying to get a feel for how mainline Eastern Orthodox people feel about these issues. It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.

Thank you for being forthright. It seems to me that your postings are not designed to stimulate a conversation but to satisfy pre-formed conclusions about "the psychology of spiritual apostasy." Of course. we all get to benefit from "hearing righteousness for the first time." Have I gotten this right so far?

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[orthonorm]

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

 

Thanks for making my day!

No kidding, this got lulz from many.

[That person]

So bowties are cool?

[First Man]

I have seen a picture of St. Nikolai the Serb when he was in the United States and he was wearing a suit.

[First Man]

On a more personal note, I wish that I did not have to tuck my shirt in at Church for 'male reasons'. Most slacks are rather tight nowadays and can show your manly parts if you get 'excited' during Liturgy. In normal circumstances, your shirt can be used to hide it. But when it is tucked in at Liturgy, there is nothing to hide it.

Someone needs to help you with proper technique. Especially since you're staring at all the pretty girl during liturgy.

The old flip and tuck?

[Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)]

Folks, I am locking this thread until further notice as there are couple of issues that I plan to discuss with the moderator team. Second Chance

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