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« on: May 05, 2012, 07:17:46 AM »

Kind of curious what you all do for a living and what kind of dreams/ambitions you all have.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 07:30:48 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 08:05:50 AM »

In the process of changing jobs right now. My new job will be working for the cable company as an installation tech. I'm probably going to start checking out where I can go within the company from there.

Dreams? I don't know, being a rock star sounds like fun.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 08:39:01 AM »

My hope is to finish school and lead a normal life...
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 08:44:36 AM »

I've spent 30 years in Nuclear Power Plants after training to be an Aircraft Mechanic.  I am currently in charge of the Preventive Maintenance Program of a plant in pretty bad condition.  My experiences in these places have nearly turned me against Nuclear Power.

My dream?  Live long enough to retire from this place and then become a Deacon.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 09:42:55 AM »

Well, currently I am deployed to Kuwait, but that cash flow stops when I reach the States since I'm in the National Guard.

My dream is to get into the IT world someday soon.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 09:49:41 AM »

I'm a shipping clerk.

My dream is to finish my MAMC and become an author of textbooks, a tutor or a librarian.  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 09:57:16 AM »

Last year I retired from 19yrs of homeschooling my kids.  My last fully homeschool son is in college this year studying engineering and my youngest two (former homeschooled kids) are in private school.  I've been volunteering with hospice for about 3-4yrs and was offered a job there this past week.  Someday I'd really like to up my education and work in hospice, but with a 10yr old at home I don't really want to do 30 hours a week just yet.  Besides, I really like being and working with patients.  Unless I get a nursing degree I'd mostly be doing coordinating and working on the phone if I got a job in hospice.  
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2012, 12:45:20 PM »

My hope is to finish school and lead a normal life...

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For now I hope to finish my Master's thesis, graduate and get a decent job after that. As for the dreams, it would would be nice to have an endless flow of cash in order to continue studying and researching forever without having to worry about economical situation.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2012, 01:00:34 PM »

Currently en route to the big Ph.D. in linguistics so that I can, uh...do what I do now but make people call me doctor, I guess. My dream is to eventually stop doing this and settle down in the linguistics, classics, or theology departments of some nice university (wherever I need to be to get paid to work with Coptic, Syriac, etc. all day), taking occasional sabbaticals to work in the field with the growing minority-language diasporas in the West so as to hopefully do something more than just lament how completely assimilated they are becoming. And, if the situation on the ground in the relevant parts of the M.E. and surrounding areas ever stops being awful (doubtful, but with God, all things are possible), maybe working there, too.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2012, 01:16:22 PM »

I am a high-school student. My dream/ambition is to learn about business, audio engineering and music in college and then dedicate my life to starting a world renowned record company from the bottom up. Although, being more realistic, I'll probably just get some sort of career in the audio engineering field.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2012, 01:18:17 PM »

Unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. I dream and hope to see the end of capitalism, come what it may.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2012, 01:19:53 PM »

My hope is to finish school and lead a normal life...
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I'm doing undergrad in International Relations. Hopefully after this, I'll pursue a Master's degree at SOAS at the University of London.Then I'll get a job working in Lebanon, Jordan or the UAE in the field of diplomacy. My mum wants me to become a lawyer, though...
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2012, 01:55:40 PM »

Unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. I dream and hope to see the end of capitalism, come what it may.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2012, 02:03:39 PM »

Sometimes I question the entire college system and see it as just a big money-making scam. Adults constantly tell you to go to college because it will make life easier and help you get money, yet, most people I talk to who get out of college are indebt with student loans and are financially no better than the rest of us, in fact, it seems like the fees associated with college make it even harder for them than for everyone else. Yet, none of them are public with this. They still willingly tell little kids to work hard so that they could go to college and make money, yet, deep down they personally know that it is not that simple and is going to make things harder in a way. I guess that people just do not like to admit when they are wrong about something or when they are unhappy. This is unfortunate because the children of tomorrow will never learn of these truths and only ignorantly repeat the same mistakes because we lied to them the entire time. KRS-1 once gave me some wise advice; think of college and every other institution and system in the world as a banking system. The moment you understand how it works, play it, understand it and do not fall for their scams. College is not a bad thing and it probably is best to attend anyway, but I think that attending with the notions that college will solve all of your problems and give you a one way ticket to the American dream is a bit foolish, and people who attend with those notions will get scammed.
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Sometimes I question the entire college system and see it as just a big money-making scam. Adults constantly tell you to go to college because it will make life easier and help you get money, yet, most people I talk to who get out of college are indebt with student loans and are financially no better than the rest of us, in fact, it seems like the fees associated with college make it even harder for them than for everyone else. Yet, none of them are public with this. They still willingly tell little kids to work hard so that they could go to college and make money, yet, deep down they personally know that it is not that simple and is going to make things harder in a way. I guess that people just do not like to admit when they are wrong about something or when they are unhappy. This is unfortunate because the children of tomorrow will never learn of these truths and only ignorantly repeat the same mistakes because we lied to them the entire time. KRS-1 once gave me some wise advice; think of college and every other institution and system in the world as a banking system. The moment you understand how it works, play it, understand it and do not fall for their scams. College is not a bad thing and it probably is best to attend anyway, but I think that attending with the notions that college will solve all of your problems and give you a one way ticket to the American dream is a bit foolish, and people who attend with those notions will get scammed.

College and education often get confused.  Sometimes they coincide.  A number of my most successful friends didn't go to college, but are bright and work hard.  You are correct though, college is not bad, but it is far from a panacea.  It is a neutral opportunity in my opinion.  A resource that may or may not be worth the money.  The conspiracy theory stuff is sometimes interesting, but rarely helpful.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2012, 02:34:15 PM »

Unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. I dream and hope to see the end of capitalism, come what it may.
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2012, 02:35:06 PM »

To answer the original question, I am a soft-tissue therapist.  I share an office with and work closely with a chiropractor to relieve pain and to increase strength, range-of-motion, and functional movement of the body.  It is rewarding work, but can be challenging because I have to replace my clientele regularly.  A work related goal would be to work with more professional athletes.  Not that I find pro sports all that important, but working with people who are pushing their bodies to the limits of potential is always fascinating.  I would love to get my hands on the Minnesota Twins pitching staff.  Near infinite room for improvement there.   Grin
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2012, 03:09:03 PM »

I dream and hope to see the triumph of capitalism over the forces of socialism, communism, and anarchy.

To answer the OP, I am a teacher.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2012, 03:16:35 PM »

Unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. I dream and hope to see the end of capitalism, come what it may.
so you can go Unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. drunk?
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That's the only difference I've noticed about unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. under communism as opposed to capitalism.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2012, 03:43:04 PM »

I am a  therapist.  I work with children and young adults (up to age 20) who are victims of severe physical and/or sexual abuse.  I also do some work with children zero to three who have sensory integration dysfunction, although this is not my speciality. And I don't really have any dreams or ambitions that I can think of off the top of my head.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2012, 03:51:40 PM »

I dream and hope to see the triumph of capitalism over the forces of socialism, communism, and anarchy.

But capitalism is anarchy. It only leads to mob rule and modern feudalism because rivaling corporations rule the people and offer us our only source of benefits if we enslave ourselves to them.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2012, 04:35:36 PM »

Groovy, maaaan.

I didn't know this thread was about political dreams/ambitions. In that case, I dream of the conversion of Al Azhar into a monastery, and Al Aqsa into a church. The Muslims may keep their desert rock shrine, as in my dreams there is no adverse effect of giving the shrinking number of Muslims the right to keep their place of worship... Grin
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2012, 09:39:04 PM »

Unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. I dream and hope to see the end of capitalism, come what it may.
so you can go Unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. drunk?
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That's the only difference I've noticed about unclogging pipes, toilets, fixing faucets, doors, locks , handling dumpsters, mopping floors, cutting carpet etc. under communism as opposed to capitalism.

Plenty of capitalists like to drink at work...   Wink

I sell boilers and hydronic heating equipment.  I drive a Ford Taurus.  I majored in History.  I have no ambition.

I find this fits well with the fact that I have no dreams.  I used to have dreams, but unfulfilled dreams often become nightmares.
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2012, 09:42:05 PM »

Currently a 6th grade social studies teacher. Getting kids to overthrow capitalism is a little ambitious- right now I'm just trying to make them understand that slaves in ancient Greece were not "African-Americans".

My ambition is to be a full-time writer of children's fantasy fiction and poetry.
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right now I'm just trying to make them understand that slaves in ancient Greece were not "African-Americans".

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2012, 01:41:18 AM »

Sometimes I question the entire college system and see it as just a big money-making scam. Adults constantly tell you to go to college because it will make life easier and help you get money, yet, most people I talk to who get out of college are indebt with student loans and are financially no better than the rest of us, in fact, it seems like the fees associated with college make it even harder for them than for everyone else. Yet, none of them are public with this. They still willingly tell little kids to work hard so that they could go to college and make money, yet, deep down they personally know that it is not that simple and is going to make things harder in a way. I guess that people just do not like to admit when they are wrong about something or when they are unhappy. This is unfortunate because the children of tomorrow will never learn of these truths and only ignorantly repeat the same mistakes because we lied to them the entire time. KRS-1 once gave me some wise advice; think of college and every other institution and system in the world as a banking system. The moment you understand how it works, play it, understand it and do not fall for their scams. College is not a bad thing and it probably is best to attend anyway, but I think that attending with the notions that college will solve all of your problems and give you a one way ticket to the American dream is a bit foolish, and people who attend with those notions will get scammed.

That is why you get scholarships (get good grades, even if you don't in HS getting good grades at a community college can earn you scholarships when you transfer to a university). If you can't get any scholarships at all, save money for a few years then go. If you can't do either you probably shouldn't go (debt is bad). I saved money to buy a house... and spent it on college, and now scholarships pay for all of my tuition (so far) and I'm working on my BS and have absolutely no debt.
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2012, 02:40:51 AM »

Currently a 6th grade social studies teacher. Getting kids to overthrow capitalism is a little ambitious- right now I'm just trying to make them understand that slaves in ancient Greece were not "African-Americans".

My ambition is to be a full-time writer of children's fantasy fiction and poetry.

You mean they weren't?  Total mind-blow.

6th grade social studies is still my favorite class ever, had my favorite teacher ever, and was the last class I really enjoyed.  Of course, a substantial amount (over half) of the class, if memory serves, was discussion/debate between the teacher, myself, and one or two other students.  I remember one day when we had some free time, and I spent about 15 minutes trying to convince another student that Genghis Khan did not build the Great Wall of China in the 1500's; a task I failed at, even when our teacher joined in, because my fellow student was quite certain he had read it on the internet.
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Sometimes I question the entire college system and see it as just a big money-making scam. Adults constantly tell you to go to college because it will make life easier and help you get money, yet, most people I talk to who get out of college are indebt with student loans and are financially no better than the rest of us, in fact, it seems like the fees associated with college make it even harder for them than for everyone else. Yet, none of them are public with this. They still willingly tell little kids to work hard so that they could go to college and make money, yet, deep down they personally know that it is not that simple and is going to make things harder in a way. I guess that people just do not like to admit when they are wrong about something or when they are unhappy. This is unfortunate because the children of tomorrow will never learn of these truths and only ignorantly repeat the same mistakes because we lied to them the entire time. KRS-1 once gave me some wise advice; think of college and every other institution and system in the world as a banking system. The moment you understand how it works, play it, understand it and do not fall for their scams. College is not a bad thing and it probably is best to attend anyway, but I think that attending with the notions that college will solve all of your problems and give you a one way ticket to the American dream is a bit foolish, and people who attend with those notions will get scammed.

That is why you get scholarships (get good grades, even if you don't in HS getting good grades at a community college can earn you scholarships when you transfer to a university). If you can't get any scholarships at all, save money for a few years then go. If you can't do either you probably shouldn't go (debt is bad). I saved money to buy a house... and spent it on college, and now scholarships pay for all of my tuition (so far) and I'm working on my BS and have absolutely no debt.
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2012, 07:25:41 AM »

I don't know if I would advise someone not to go to college because they can't get the money to afford it. Higher education in this country constantly rises in price and not everyone is so fortunate to get scholarships or grants to pay for the tuition. Even working may not provide enough income to live off of and go to school.

Here's another thing. I value education. I believe when one has to lower their standards on what college to choose for with the lack of money, one also is held back educationally.

One of the greatest things that my college experience taught me is how I fit in the world. Education does help you later down the road and will make you a better person.

I get the concern over youth debt and not digging yourself a hole, but a college education is much too important to worry about how much debt is accumulated  because you have to remain competitive to succeed.

I'm very lucky to be where I am at with no college degree, and it was an extremely slim chance that I had. But if I had a college degree, my chances and opportunities would be that much wider.

You just cannot afford not to go to college.

EDIT: One last thing about the "big money-making scam" of colleges. The issue is our recent college grads are having a difficult time finding work in their respective fields or being adequately compensated to cover the cost of tuition. This isn't necessarily the fault of the colleges (sans perhaps useless degrees that have no market value and should come with warnings to students letting them know it ain't "lucrative"), but something that needs immediate attention in this country.

PS. KRS-One is a lunatic. His ideas are dangerous. He believes in that whole Alex Jones conspiracy crap about the government. Eventhough I think "Love's Gonna Get'cha (Material Love)" is one of the best singles from the 90s....
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2012, 07:53:29 AM »

Well, until recently, my dream was to become an anthropologist and eventually get to study some of the worlds indigenous people, however I have pretty much lost all hope in that sice my grades most likely won't be high enough for me to be accepted.
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But how mant people are right for college? Do you know how many people drop out of school to include college?

Besides, it's a lie to say that you need a degree to make a good living. Skilled jobs are still needed, and someone needs to fill them. We will either have people with lots of debt fill them, immigrants, or someone who learned the job early and now can make 6 digits because of his skill level.
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2012, 09:48:12 AM »

I'm currently an elementary substitute teacher. My education and general background is in fine arts and music, so I am also a photographer and musician, and I get most of my subbing work at a great little school for the arts for Grades 4-8. I'd like to get a small part-time contract as an elementary art (or generalist) teacher, but I never want to work full-time again. No thanks! Content with what I have and what I've accomplished so far, but would like to get my music out there a bit more. I may go for a Masters degree to become a Librarian one day.
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2012, 08:42:12 AM »

i'm a nurse. been one for 30+yrs. have worked in Oncology, Pediatric ICU, Neonatal ICU and adult ICU (including Neuro ICU). Have been night supervisor for 10+yrs.
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Nursing tech.........mostly geriatrics and psych.  Dreams to be a photo storm chasers!  We had a interesting one going on here in kc last night!
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2012, 12:16:56 PM »

I've had three totally unrelated careers for which I had no formal training. First I worked as a medical assistant for many years, then as an HR manager for a large commercial bakery, and now I work for a church organization as a secretary and magazine editor.

My dream is to sit on my back porch with a cup of coffee.

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I'm a software engineer who changed careers (corporate downsizing, sick of being in a cube, wanted to do meaningful work) to nursing (worked in med-surg and cardiac step down, hurt my back lifting 300lb patients, etc.) and am back working as a software engineer.   During the career change I also looked at becoming a math teacher or a librarian but nursing was my childhood ambition - my mother was a neonatal intensive-care nurse and I always admired her.  But, it's not a good career change if you don't do serious weightlifting first given how obese Americans are becoming.

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to be a mere slave to my compassion(s) or something close to that.
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As pretty much everyone on here knows, I work in Tax Compliance for a large US Consulting/Outsourcing firm and have an accounting and tax preparation business on the side.

My dream is to make my side business work and then hire a bunch of people to do all the work, sit back, and watch the $$ come in.

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Right now I teach High School math, and I am working on a masters degree in philosophy. I would like to continue studying after I complete my masters degree, working towards a PhD. Then, perhaps, I will become a professor. The odds are against me, so here's hoping.
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As pretty much everyone on here knows, I work in Tax Compliance for a large US Consulting/Outsourcing firm and have an accounting and tax preparation business on the side.

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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2012, 05:26:34 PM »

Law librarian in a venerable Baltimore law firm with a focus on cataloging and collection maintenance/development.  This means I don't have to deal with the #*@&%#(@*% attorneys most of the time, thankfully.

Ideally, I'd like to work three days a week cataloging and spend the other four gardening and working on music.

I am one of the least ambitious people you'll meet, although not so unambitious as to be a total slouch.  I just found work doing something I like and really don't need much more.
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Law librarian in a venerable Baltimore law firm with a focus on cataloging and collection maintenance/development.  This means I don't have to deal with the #*@&%#(@*% attorneys most of the time, thankfully.

Ideally, I'd like to work three days a week cataloging and spend the other four gardening and working on music.

I am one of the least ambitious people you'll meet, although not so unambitious as to be a total slouch.  I just found work doing something I like and really don't need much more.
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As pretty much everyone on here knows, I work in Tax Compliance for a large US Consulting/Outsourcing firm and have an accounting and tax preparation business on the side.

My dream is to make my side business work and then hire a bunch of people to do all the work, sit back, and watch the $$ come in.

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this does not work for me augustin717. to  each his own and posts like this are not constructive.  i did like you first post and largely agreed with the nobility of  keeping the nuts and bolts of society as we have it working. i admire what you do and have no qualms in doing it myself when the need arises:
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This means I don't have to deal with the #*@&%#(@*% attorneys most of the time, thankfully.

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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2012, 09:29:58 PM »

But how mant people are right for college? Do you know how many people drop out of school to include college?

Besides, it's a lie to say that you need a degree to make a good living. Skilled jobs are still needed, and someone needs to fill them. We will either have people with lots of debt fill them, immigrants, or someone who learned the job early and now can make 6 digits because of his skill level.

I don't think this is a political discussion, yet, but how do you expect people in this country to be competitive on a global level if kids are not graduating from college?

I agree that you don't need a degree to make a good living, but how much does it help in getting and maintaining a good living?
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But how mant people are right for college? Do you know how many people drop out of school to include college?

Besides, it's a lie to say that you need a degree to make a good living. Skilled jobs are still needed, and someone needs to fill them. We will either have people with lots of debt fill them, immigrants, or someone who learned the job early and now can make 6 digits because of his skill level.

I don't think this is a political discussion, yet, but how do you expect people in this country to be competitive on a global level if kids are not graduating from college?

I agree that you don't need a degree to make a good living, but how much does it help in getting and maintaining a good living?

Depends on the degree.  Getting a degree in art or PE will do you no good whatever in getting a good living in my field.  Engineering is another matter.  The problem in the US is that we have too many bull muffin degrees.  The degree has become a status symbol and nothing of any real value, particularly in the fields where you actually have to have some skill.  Of course, the actual professions (doctor, teacher, lawyer, engineer) will always see the degree to be highly valued.
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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2012, 10:47:06 PM »

Any position in healcare requires some degree for basic entry level licinsure.
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I'm currently working as a Voice Service Manager for AT&T, mainly handling international clients.  In a few short months, I will return to the classroom from which I have been regrettably absent for two whole years now.

One of the things I need/want to do is to complete my doctoral work. It's pretty much all done; I just need to get some things tweeked in the dissertation and resubmit and get approved.  Unfortunately, I'm too busy these days.
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I'm a high school student. My dream is to be a college student. Maybe even a graduate student someday.
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But how mant people are right for college? Do you know how many people drop out of school to include college?

Besides, it's a lie to say that you need a degree to make a good living. Skilled jobs are still needed, and someone needs to fill them. We will either have people with lots of debt fill them, immigrants, or someone who learned the job early and now can make 6 digits because of his skill level.

I don't think this is a political discussion, yet, but how do you expect people in this country to be competitive on a global level if kids are not graduating from college?

I agree that you don't need a degree to make a good living, but how much does it help in getting and maintaining a good living?

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I'm a high school student. My dream is to be a college student. Maybe even a graduate student someday.

my experience, that person, is that undergraduate education is difficult, but graduate education is more of a breeze because you are truly working in the field and you are both motivated and interested.  just get your four year degree and the later steps will follow easily (at least in the science field i am interested in). note, that a scientist without caveats is not a scientist.
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But how mant people are right for college? Do you know how many people drop out of school to include college?

Besides, it's a lie to say that you need a degree to make a good living. Skilled jobs are still needed, and someone needs to fill them. We will either have people with lots of debt fill them, immigrants, or someone who learned the job early and now can make 6 digits because of his skill level.

I don't think this is a political discussion, yet, but how do you expect people in this country to be competitive on a global level if kids are not graduating from college?

I agree that you don't need a degree to make a good living, but how much does it help in getting and maintaining a good living?

Depends on the degree.  Getting a degree in art or PE will do you no good whatever in getting a good living in my field.  Engineering is another matter.  The problem in the US is that we have too many bull muffin degrees.  The degree has become a status symbol and nothing of any real value, particularly in the fields where you actually have to have some skill.  Of course, the actual professions (doctor, teacher, lawyer, engineer) will always see the degree to be highly valued.

I also agree with you on this. I think we should rid a few degrees as well, but then again I'm sure there is a good argument as to why colleges should still offer Philosophy degrees and liberal arts degrees.
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« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2012, 12:45:54 AM »

But how mant people are right for college? Do you know how many people drop out of school to include college?

Besides, it's a lie to say that you need a degree to make a good living. Skilled jobs are still needed, and someone needs to fill them. We will either have people with lots of debt fill them, immigrants, or someone who learned the job early and now can make 6 digits because of his skill level.

I don't think this is a political discussion, yet, but how do you expect people in this country to be competitive on a global level if kids are not graduating from college?

I agree that you don't need a degree to make a good living, but how much does it help in getting and maintaining a good living?

The fact that quite a substantial part of the world doesn't even finish elementary school, I'd say on a global level college is essentially unnecessary for competition.  Now, on a developed-world level, that's a different issue.
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The fact that quite a substantial part of the world doesn't even finish elementary school, I'd say on a global level college is essentially unnecessary for competition.  Now, on a developed-world level, that's a different issue.

Quite a substantial part of the world does not have clean water or indoor plumbing, either.
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The fact that quite a substantial part of the world doesn't even finish elementary school, I'd say on a global level college is essentially unnecessary for competition.  Now, on a developed-world level, that's a different issue.

Quite a substantial part of the world does not have clean water or indoor plumbing, either.

Well I didn't say college wasn't useful; in fact in order to compete with the developed world, I think it is probably generally rather useful, and the developed world is who we really ought to be trying to compete with - it isn't hard to beat Somalia economically.
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The fact that quite a substantial part of the world doesn't even finish elementary school, I'd say on a global level college is essentially unnecessary for competition.  Now, on a developed-world level, that's a different issue.

Quite a substantial part of the world does not have clean water or indoor plumbing, either.

Well I didn't say college wasn't useful; in fact in order to compete with the developed world, I think it is probably generally rather useful, and the developed world is who we really ought to be trying to compete with - it isn't hard to beat Somalia economically.

The "developed world" has skilled labor needs, too. It's the unskilled jobs that you want to tell you kids to avoid.
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Any position in healcare requires some degree for basic entry level licinsure.

Not so. There are many technician/support/ancillary positions in healthcare that require minimal to no degree, though you may need some training or certification.
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I'm a senior .NET developer. Unfortunately we make software for trading so it's not exactly exciting. To be honest I'd rather not work in an office at all, but I kind of have golden handcuffs - at least while I have two small kids and a massive mortgage.

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I am a fancy-pants lawyer. Big corporations pay me megabux to make arguments for them in court.

I am a fancy cheap-pants lawyer prosecutor. Big corporations The State of Texas pays me mega one or two bux to make arguments for them in court.

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As pretty much everyone on here knows, I work in Tax Compliance for a large US Consulting/Outsourcing firm and have an accounting and tax preparation business on the side.

My dream is to make my side business work and then hire a bunch of people to do all the work, sit back, and watch the $$ come in.

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« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2012, 12:25:46 PM »

But how mant people are right for college? Do you know how many people drop out of school to include college?

Besides, it's a lie to say that you need a degree to make a good living. Skilled jobs are still needed, and someone needs to fill them. We will either have people with lots of debt fill them, immigrants, or someone who learned the job early and now can make 6 digits because of his skill level.

I don't think this is a political discussion, yet, but how do you expect people in this country to be competitive on a global level if kids are not graduating from college?

I agree that you don't need a degree to make a good living, but how much does it help in getting and maintaining a good living?

Depends on the degree.  Getting a degree in art or PE will do you no good whatever in getting a good living in my field.  Engineering is another matter.  The problem in the US is that we have too many bull muffin degrees.  The degree has become a status symbol and nothing of any real value, particularly in the fields where you actually have to have some skill.  Of course, the actual professions (doctor, teacher, lawyer, engineer) will always see the degree to be highly valued.

I also agree with you on this. I think we should rid a few degrees as well, but then again I'm sure there is a good argument as to why colleges should still offer Philosophy degrees and liberal arts degrees.


If it weren't for liberal arts degrees there would be no educated, literate people to work in fast food.  That has been my experience.  If I didn't have a friend in the company I work for, I would still be flipping burgers or doing security.

I took college because I had no knacks that could be turned into skillz so it seemed like the way to go.  If I had just followed my original idea and went to school for welding I would probably be making more money right now.  (As it turns out, I will be taking some welding courses this summer for S&Gs). 

That said, I really enjoyed my experience there and did pretty well (3.8-3.9 GPA, don't remember which).  I got through all four and a half years with no debt, just working and living at home.  I certainly don't consider it time wasted.  But if it looks like you are going to have more than a couple hundred dollars in debt a year after graduation, and have no plans on what exactly to do with your degree, then I honestly don't think it is worth the four or five years in which you will not be productive and earning a living.  It's better to get a skill and start making money.  Perhaps do college on the side and take your time, but I think that the prolonged adolescence that four+ years of school engenders is a problem for many people.

My buddy's GF went to school and got an education degree.  She is 15k in the hole and screwed up her student teaching because she is anti-social.  Now she is a phone jockey at a financial company, something she probably could have done w/o the 15k in debt.


As for hopes, dreams, and aspirations, some of yours are a bit uplifting, supposing the word "uplifting" wasn't gay...no homo.  But alas, I still have none.
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Become a history professor, preferably in American Indian history.

Although I would like to study WWI as well and the cultural changes it brought about.
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Im a case manager for a financial and insurance firm. My dream is to be a history teacher.

Unfotunately, to do so, I have to quit here, and my family has a nasty habit of eating and wanting to be dry...a habit I am forced to feed......

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But alas, I still have none.

Oh BS.  You sit at home every night and do the same thing that your father used to do: dream of taking over the world.
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I have no aptitude for anything like engineering, science or math at all. I get high As in every classes except those ones. I understand what's being said in every class except those ones. So for all the "lol liberal arts what a joke" that gets thrown around I'll still be getting a liberal arts degree.

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible. Maybe teaching?
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« Reply #78 on: May 08, 2012, 07:52:17 PM »

But alas, I still have none.

Oh BS.  You sit at home every night and do the same thing that your father used to do: dream of taking over the world.

Quiet.  I intend on sneaking up on people like underwear.
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I have no aptitude for anything like engineering, science or math at all. I get high As in every classes except those ones. I understand what's being said in every class except those ones. So for all the "lol liberal arts what a joke" that gets thrown around I'll still be getting a liberal arts degree.

The funny thing about this is that the classical definition of what the liberal arts are includes mathematics and science. Something tells me that when people say "liberal arts" they mean silly majors like Gay and Lesbian Studies or Latino Fashion in 1920s Los Angeles or whatever. Not all liberal arts degrees are like that. In fact, I'm putting off finishing a sociophonetics paper right now because it's got so much math in it that I don't want to do it (spectrograph measurements/formant analysis)...but that's another story... Smiley

Point is: If you're looking to get into liberal arts to get away from math and science, you'll probably end up with one of those less useful degrees that everyone makes fun of when trashing the liberal arts. There's still plenty that you can do with a liberal arts degree that is useful to society, but you have to choose wisely. I have three friends who went into linguistics (my field) or related fields. One teaches at a university on the East Coast, another works as a developer for a voice recognition software company in their Italian department (and keeps hinting that I should apply to work on Russian there, but I don't want to live in San Francisco), and the last one has worked for the last few years developing software programs for children with reading disabilities (sort of a "Hooked on Phonics" thing, I guess).

There is plenty to do with a liberal arts degree if you're not set on getting a tenure track position.
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I'm a dream killer.

Since everyone is playing now. I'm a pilot in the USAF.

I dream of settling down in a nice house and drinking beer, one day in the distant future.
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I have no aptitude for anything like engineering, science or math at all. I get high As in every classes except those ones. I understand what's being said in every class except those ones. So for all the "lol liberal arts what a joke" that gets thrown around I'll still be getting a liberal arts degree.

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible. Maybe teaching?

Accounting. Projected to have 15% job growth over the next 5 years. No math higher than 4th grade required.

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« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2012, 09:37:34 PM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
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I work as the Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse Specialist for our County's Human Services Department. I have a part time side job supervising the Alcohol and Drug Abuse Program in a neighboring county, and a very part time job as an election inspector for our city. Given the I have held temporary teaching positions for our state government, I like to joke that all I need to do is find a part time Federal job and I'll be the ultimate government employee.  Grin

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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.
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I would like to be:

King of the Gypsies

A Scottish Bagpiper

At Picketts charge ( if I could go back in time)  Ditto for The Alamo and Thermopylae

A Monk on Athos

A lottery winner either Mega Millions or Power Ball or both (God willing)

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Those are all my ambitions

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My dream of being a jockey was crushed by my height. Never mind my total lack of equestrian experience, I blame it on the fact that I'm 5'8".

My other secret dream is to be a referee in the NFL.  I know I'd be better than Jeff Triplette.
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« Reply #92 on: May 09, 2012, 01:05:23 AM »

Summary of employment positions: Contract Administrator, Business Administrator, and Labor Relations Officer


I had a productive career in the public sector, having served in the administration of George V. Voinovich when he was elected Mayor of Cleveland, Oh., I started as a monitor of the city's compliance with federal regulations of federal programs (the City had incurred disallowed costs by the two administrations that proceeded us) and was promoted to being the Contract Administrator for the City's federal job training programs, issuing Requests for Proposals (RFP's), negotiating and drafting contracts, submitting proposed legislation to the City Council, and managing the departmental staff.  I moved to being the Business Administrator of the county Board of Elections for 5 plus years, expanding my professional responsibilities to financial management, in addition to procurement.  I had an enjoyable career change when I became the Labor Relations Officer for the Ohio Lottery Commission, where I served for a little over 3 years.  Because I was in an "Exempt" employment position, the new Democrat administration of the State dismissed me, acting amicable about it, but I was unemployed for the next 6 plus months.  The county Treasurer, a fellow Greek Orthodox Christian, offered me a position, but it was a clerk's job, with an attendant reduction in salary, compared to what I had been doing, however, it continued me in the State retirement system.  Scandals in local county government brought on a "buy-out" which would pay for 3 additional years in the retirement system which gave me 30.5 years, 6 months more than I needed for full retirement.  I am thus happily benefiting from a wonderful retirement pension, with a salary benefit computed based on the higher salary I'd received in earlier years.

I consider this a God given benefit, to be able to retire at the age of 56, so I devote more time to work at my church.  I'm an Assistant Chanter, chanting at all the baptisms, weddings, and funerals, along with chanting at the other Divine Services of the church.  I'm a Parish Council member (served last year as Secretary), serving as Co-Chairman of the Catering and Leasing Committee, and the Stewardship Committee.  I was recently appointed to write a summary history of our parish, for an album the mother church in our area is publishing, on the occasion of their 100th anniversary, and last week, I represented my parish at the annual Metropolis Clergy-Laity Assembly.

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« Reply #93 on: May 09, 2012, 01:36:25 AM »

Currently I shape the minds/hearts of our 5 children. I am a walking talking cafeteria for our youngest child. I homeschool the oldest two and will do the same with the other 3 as well.

I would like to eventually go to college and major in Cultural Anthropology of NW Indigenous Indians with a minor in Ethnobotany. I would also like to become fluent in Lushootseed.

Dreams: to be debt free, sell our current tiny little house, buy a big house on acreage, start an outdoor school and enjoy life. I would also love, love, love to adopt some american indian children (preferably a set of siblings) since the American Indian Adoption Act means that a lot of native children end up in foster home merry go round until they age out.
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Wouldn't surprise me. I'm one of those developers that expects it (I've been doing this for over a decade) and gets suspicious when development goes too smoothly. If it works first time it's almost certainly hiding something really terrible. As a result though, it means I tend to test my own code before it gets to the likes of you. Wish I could say the same for all of my juniors. When a release goes to our testing department I seem to spend my whole time farming out issues to the people who need to fix it - sometimes days go by and I barely get to touch code.

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« Reply #95 on: May 09, 2012, 05:03:13 PM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.
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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.

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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out
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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.
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Wouldn't surprise me. I'm one of those developers that expects it (I've been doing this for over a decade) and gets suspicious when development goes too smoothly. If it works first time it's almost certainly hiding something really terrible. As a result though, it means I tend to test my own code before it gets to the likes of you. Wish I could say the same for all of my juniors.
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The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

I guess that had I been back in Nazi Germany, they should have executed me along with the other untermenschen.
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« Reply #103 on: May 10, 2012, 09:04:02 AM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

I guess that had I been back in Nazi Germany, they should have executed me along with the other untermenschen.

At least you spelled it right.
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« Reply #104 on: May 10, 2012, 09:08:57 AM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.

Damn son. Are you off your meds? Chill. You really have been itching for a fight the last few days.. Ummm I'll pass

There are many students who get into College that cant cut it.
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« Reply #105 on: May 10, 2012, 09:10:46 AM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.

Damn son. Are you off your meds? Chill. You really have been itching for a fight the last few days.. Ummm I'll pass

There are many students who get into College that cant cut it.
Indeed. There are more than quite a few that really should not be in college.

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« Reply #106 on: May 10, 2012, 10:51:21 AM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.

I usually use the word lumpenproletariat. Would that be better?

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« Reply #107 on: May 10, 2012, 11:06:47 AM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.

I usually use the word lumpenproletariat. Would that be better?



Well, students who cant cut it probably are not the offspring of the homeless or permanently unemployed. Smiley
They are the result of a High School education that is not very demanding and then get a stiff dose of reality once in College.
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« Reply #108 on: May 10, 2012, 11:37:21 AM »

There are also many that cannot afford it.  I am sorry, but your statement is idiotic.


The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.

Damn son. Are you off your meds? Chill. You really have been itching for a fight the last few days.. Ummm I'll pass

There are many students who get into College that cant cut it.
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« Reply #109 on: May 10, 2012, 11:42:40 AM »

There are also many that cannot afford it.  I am sorry, but your statement is idiotic.


The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.

Damn son. Are you off your meds? Chill. You really have been itching for a fight the last few days.. Ummm I'll pass

There are many students who get into College that cant cut it.

What's idiotic about it?  When was the last time you were on a college campus as a student?  It's been 15 years for me and even back then I knew WAY too many people who should not have been there and were only there because they thought they had to be.  Most dropped out before their sophomore year.  The few that didn't dropped out mid way through junior.  The few of those that I've kept in touch with are just now graduating because they finally have the focus, discipline, and desire to actually get a degree. 

I'm all for people going to college, but only if they actually know what they want to study/do with their lives once they get out.  We, as a society, are forcing people to throw money away on an "education" that is anything but. 
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What's idiotic about it?  When was the last time you were on a college campus as a student?  It's been 15 years for me and even back then I knew WAY too many people who should not have been there and were only there because they thought they had to be.  Most dropped out before their sophomore year.  The few that didn't dropped out mid way through junior.  The few of those that I've kept in touch with are just now graduating because they finally have the focus, discipline, and desire to actually get a degree. 

I'm all for people going to college, but only if they actually know what they want to study/do with their lives once they get out.  We, as a society, are forcing people to throw money away on an "education" that is anything but
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« Reply #111 on: May 10, 2012, 02:04:40 PM »

There are also many that cannot afford it.  I am sorry, but your statement is idiotic.


The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Yes, we in the States have too many, and many more students who are getting law degrees.

I agree. I will expand that to a more general trend that too many people are in college, period.



I have one kid in college now and one who graduated last year. The thing is that many many students who are in college cant make it to the end.
There were some real dopes that my kids were exposed to. i told them to give it a year and they will all be gone. That's what happened. College is hard. The undermenshen tend to drop out

And you say shame on me? That's a disgusting notion and YOU should know better.

What is the disgusting notion? That not everyone can be equally smart?

See the bolded sentence and take a guess. And I am sure your breadth of knowledge is exhaustive enough to understand the connotations of the German word Marc used no matter how poorly spelled. Marc knows what I mean I am sure.

Damn son. Are you off your meds? Chill. You really have been itching for a fight the last few days.. Ummm I'll pass

There are many students who get into College that cant cut it.

So your contention is that most students drop out AFTER entering College only to discover later on that they cant afford it?

I think that is not the primary reason, at least in my own experience. I'm sure some students run out of money and for some reason cant get any loans or grants which are in most cases readily available. But I doubt this is the major reason.
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« Reply #112 on: May 10, 2012, 02:15:30 PM »

My poor roommate Ron was a pretty serious student. He is an attorney these days.

We had two lovely ladies move into the dorm room right over us one floor up. Crystal and I forget her room mates name. They blasted music 24/7. They had really rough looking boyfriends around most of the time. They never went to class..Never...

Poor Ron needed his sleep. He would bang a broom handle on the ceiling (their floor) to get them to quiet down. Finally, he was so aggravated he went up there and had a talk with them ( see rough looking boyfriends comment )... He asked me if I would go with him.

"Oh no..I'm fine with never sleeping"  But Ron was much braver than me and went alone.

He was gone an hour or so. I thought they had murdered him. But he came back and said they had a really great talk. He offered to tutor one of them in math. After one full semester they both had 00.0 grade point averages and had to buckle down a bit more this semester or get booted.

Unfortunately, even with Ron's kind help they failed out.

One more quick one. There was guy named Chris who also lived in our Dorm. He got shot in the gut after a drug sale went bad. He recovered but it turned out that College really wasn't his thing and he left school.

So....pardon me for being jaded.
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« Reply #113 on: May 10, 2012, 02:27:56 PM »

My poor roommate Ron was a pretty serious student. He is an attorney these days.

We had two lovely ladies move into the dorm room right over us one floor up. Crystal and I forget her room mates name. They blasted music 24/7. They had really rough looking boyfriends around most of the time. They never went to class..Never...

Poor Ron needed his sleep. He would bang a broom handle on the ceiling (their floor) to get them to quiet down. Finally, he was so aggravated he went up there and had a talk with them ( see rough looking boyfriends comment )... He asked me if I would go with him.

"Oh no..I'm fine with never sleeping"  But Ron was much braver than me and went alone.

He was gone an hour or so. I thought they had murdered him. But he came back and said they had a really great talk. He offered to tutor one of them in math. After one full semester they both had 00.0 grade point averages and had to buckle down a bit more this semester or get booted.

Unfortunately, even with Ron's kind help they failed out.

One more quick one. There was guy named Chris who also lived in our Dorm. He got shot in the gut after a drug sale went bad. He recovered but it turned out that College really wasn't his thing and he left school.

So....pardon me for being jaded.

Aside from the shooting in the guy and the names, you've just described my sophomore year in the dorms.  Years later I met the drug addled guy's brother, who is an asst DA now.  My old college chum is still bouncing around with no idea what to do with his life, although he did do a stint in rehab in Hawaii, of all places.
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« Reply #114 on: May 10, 2012, 08:37:34 PM »

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OK, I've seen this numerous times.  What do the letters stand for and what does the phrase mean?  Thanks, y'all!
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OK, I've seen this numerous times.  What do the letters stand for and what does the phrase mean?  Thanks, y'all!

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« Reply #117 on: May 13, 2012, 07:31:31 PM »

The problem is figuring what to do with it. Law might be cool, but Sauron tells me the employment market for lawyers right now is terrible.

There are way too many in Australia, I'll say that much.

It is probably true in the States, as much as it is here, that the corporate lawyers (the ones who actually earn decent money) are the first to lose out in a downturn.
Dan Quayle was right. There are too many lawyers.  What happens when the sea is shark infested and there is just so much chum?  It isn't pretty.  If they have no work, they make work.  And that gets down right ugly.
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