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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2012, 02:33:14 PM » |
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Television can't be all evil. It brings us hockey, and weather reports. Plus, my dog likes it.
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« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2012, 02:36:07 PM » |
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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.
That's right! Everybody, throw away your Agpeyas/Horologions! They're useless, because you're Christian, so there's no salvation for you. Or... You can proclaim the truth of God out on the streets, as the Orthodox do. You can meditate on the word of God every day and grow in knowledge and love of God, as the Orthodox do. You can dedicate yourself to monastic life, renouncing the world's treasures and living only for God, as the Orthodox do. There is no good practice that is not preserved in Orthodox Christianity to a greater degree than in any other religion, and with the correct understanding that the others lack. What Zoroastrians or Jews or Muslims do or do not do bears no relation to us, for they do their actions out of their own false beliefs. So it is with their strict and very public adherence to prayers, or any other Pharisical thing you can point to in condemning Christianity in favor of everything else. God is with us, who may be against us? Not you, and not a million internet heretics, and not a billion Muslims, or any Jews, Zoroastrians. Nobody. Come back when you have fasted over half of the year with repentance before God for your many sins (as we do), and prayed many good hours of the Horologion, and all these other things that you insist we do not do. Then you will have new eyes, and not criticize our practice for not being as "faithful" as the Jews or the Muslims or the whoevers. It is enough that we struggle to do what is commanded of us, as it was commanded before any of these groups, for as St. John has said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me; for He was before me." Orthodox Christianity stands on its own merits, and not the rejection of the faith our fathers. It is every rejectionist/restorationist anti-Christ movement (whether it be called Judaism, Islam, Esseneism, or whatever) that clings to this "everyone has fallen away" idea. No. Everyone has not fallen away. Christ Jesus has not fallen away. The Holy Spirit, the comforter, has not fallen away. And so the Church stands forever and ever, as it is (to borrow the phrase I've read here more than once) the faith that established the universe. Reject it if you want, but you seem to only be doing so by calling it something it's not, and then rejecting that thing of your own making. I could not find any worthy results on Google images for "Essene strawman", but...well, that. Obviously the FAITHFUL Orthodox are being saved. But i would like to know what percentage actually do the required daily worship, prayer, and meditation... I pray at least twice a day before the icons. Sometimes three. I pray short prayers constantly throughout the day. I have memorized the beginning part of the morning prayers so I can say them in my head before I even fully wake up and say them properly. I burn incense, I light candles, I very rarely miss liturgy. Follow my example and you will learn that praying frequently does not make someone righteous. I pray because I am a sinner. Not because I am righteous. Better yet, find someone who prays twice a day but believes it and trusts in God. Then you will see what salvation looks like. |
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It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.
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« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2012, 02:44:26 PM » |
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Television can't be all evil. It brings us hockey, and weather reports. Plus, my dog likes it.
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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2012, 02:53:07 PM » |
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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.
That's right! Everybody, throw away your Agpeyas/Horologions! They're useless, because you're Christian, so there's no salvation for you. Or... You can proclaim the truth of God out on the streets, as the Orthodox do. You can meditate on the word of God every day and grow in knowledge and love of God, as the Orthodox do. You can dedicate yourself to monastic life, renouncing the world's treasures and living only for God, as the Orthodox do. There is no good practice that is not preserved in Orthodox Christianity to a greater degree than in any other religion, and with the correct understanding that the others lack. What Zoroastrians or Jews or Muslims do or do not do bears no relation to us, for they do their actions out of their own false beliefs. So it is with their strict and very public adherence to prayers, or any other Pharisical thing you can point to in condemning Christianity in favor of everything else. God is with us, who may be against us? Not you, and not a million internet heretics, and not a billion Muslims, or any Jews, Zoroastrians. Nobody. Come back when you have fasted over half of the year with repentance before God for your many sins (as we do), and prayed many good hours of the Horologion, and all these other things that you insist we do not do. Then you will have new eyes, and not criticize our practice for not being as "faithful" as the Jews or the Muslims or the whoevers. It is enough that we struggle to do what is commanded of us, as it was commanded before any of these groups, for as St. John has said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me; for He was before me." Orthodox Christianity stands on its own merits, and not the rejection of the faith our fathers. It is every rejectionist/restorationist anti-Christ movement (whether it be called Judaism, Islam, Esseneism, or whatever) that clings to this "everyone has fallen away" idea. No. Everyone has not fallen away. Christ Jesus has not fallen away. The Holy Spirit, the comforter, has not fallen away. And so the Church stands forever and ever, as it is (to borrow the phrase I've read here more than once) the faith that established the universe. Reject it if you want, but you seem to only be doing so by calling it something it's not, and then rejecting that thing of your own making. I could not find any worthy results on Google images for "Essene strawman", but...well, that. Obviously the FAITHFUL Orthodox are being saved. But i would like to know what percentage actually do the required daily worship, prayer, and meditation... I pray at least twice a day before the icons. Sometimes three. I pray short prayers constantly throughout the day. I have memorized the beginning part of the morning prayers so I can say them in my head before I even fully wake up and say them properly. I burn incense, I light candles, I very rarely miss liturgy. Follow my example and you will learn that praying frequently does not make someone righteous. I pray because I am a sinner. Not because I am righteous. Better yet, find someone who prays twice a day but believes it and trusts in God. Then you will see what salvation looks like. Praise be to God!!! |
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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2012, 04:12:16 PM » |
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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.
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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2012, 06:15:21 PM » |
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Obviously the FAITHFUL Orthodox are being saved. But i would like to know what percentage actually do the required daily worship, prayer, and meditation... In other words, you'd like to have the power to place these on the left, and these on the right? Is that it? I'm sorry, but that's God's prerogative, not yours or mine or anyone else's. Anyway, you presume too much in thinking that by seeing this person's prayer rule or that person's commitment to the fast or whatever, you can say "this person is saved" or "this person is not saved". If you are going to call yourself an ORIGINAL MONOTHEIST, why do you have this strangely Protestant notion of being able to classify people as saved or unsaved? You know who is saved? The one who works out his salvation with fear and trembling, and does not slander his brothers and sisters, but looks first at his own faults and admits that he has done nothing good before God. Abba Isaiah, Abba Moses, and the other monks of the desert taught me that. Humility, they taught (and lived by example), is the greatest of all virtues. It is hard to be humbled when you say these are saved, these are not saved based on what you can observe them doing, as though we are Pharisees and we merely follow the external law and preform the actions and this is it. Christianity, love it or hate it, is balanced in its external and internal life in ways that the religions and obscure Jewish sects you are fetishizing are not. Since you cannot know the soul of another, why play judge, jury, and executioner? Isn't that a great folly? |
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2012, 06:46:50 PM » |
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the replies in this thread are awesome! you'all are so wonderful!
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2012, 07:46:15 PM » |
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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2012, 08:12:19 PM » |
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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.
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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2012, 08:12:50 PM » |
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The OP is right!!!! One of the few shows over the last decade or whatever, I tuned into regularly. |
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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2012, 08:13:45 PM » |
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The OP is right!!!! That's on all the time at this pizza parlor I go to. |
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2012, 08:18:54 PM » |
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And what do you have to defend yourself, orthonorm, for such an indefensible show?
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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2012, 08:20:28 PM » |
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And what do you have to defend yourself, orthonorm, for such an indefensible show?
probally because it is soooo easy to mock, just as orthonorm loves to do that, or he is just besing his normal self, and you fail to see past the sarcasm |
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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2012, 08:28:23 PM » |
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.
I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.
While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.
I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.
While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.
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« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2012, 11:19:58 PM » |
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« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2012, 03:32:14 AM » |
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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.
He who does not give charity, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the prisoners, see to the sick, and house the homeless is damned. I hook people up with free cable. And such is why you will occupy the seat at the right hand of Christ, at the wedding banquet. |
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« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2012, 03:32:14 AM » |
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.
I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.
While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.
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I know a secret about a former Supreme Court Justice. Can you guess what it is?
The greatest tragedy in the world is when a cigarette ends.
American Spirits - the eco-friendly cigarette.
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.
I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.
While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.
Arthur is one of my favorite shows. Hopefully, I didn't just destroy it for you, then. |
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« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2012, 09:34:12 PM » |
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.
I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.
While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.
Arthur is one of my favorite shows. Hopefully, I didn't just destroy it for you, then. No, that's (the image) actually rather funny. |
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I know a secret about a former Supreme Court Justice. Can you guess what it is?
The greatest tragedy in the world is when a cigarette ends.
American Spirits - the eco-friendly cigarette.
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Folks, I am locking this thread until further notice as there are couple of issues that I plan to discuss with the moderator team. Second Chance
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