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« on: May 02, 2012, 11:03:21 PM »

I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2012, 11:05:32 PM »

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

Why are you mad at us? I didn't make those shows.
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2012, 11:06:06 PM »

I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

Must remove eyeballs... Stupidest post of 2012 - early winner...
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2012, 11:09:59 PM »

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

Or just escape by turning off the television. Works great for non-believers too.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 11:12:38 PM »

Amartin, if you hate TV, why do you have one, and why do you pay for 200 channels? Do you live with relatives?
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 11:17:54 PM »

God help me for committing this thought to permanence, but reading all these posts by amartin has me wondering if there is a way that the moderators can set a minimum number of posts that a poster must reach before being able to create their own topcs. You know, like giving them "observer status" at the U.N. that is this message board. Just a thought, because, wow...these topics are really something else... Undecided

I don't understand you, amartin. You said in another thread you started that you left the communal life because no one there prayed or took care of their spiritual lives in any way. So you've come here to post topics and replies on television, meat, and your belief that the entire world (save your incredibly insignificant, heretical neo-gnostic sect) has gone into apostasy and is headed for hellfire. How is that caring for your spiritual life?
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 11:19:30 PM »

I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

I have to admit. This is lulz, especially the bolded part.

Nice.

Thanks. Looks like Second Chance was right. You just needed like a 15th chance.

EDIT: Srsly. Good work.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 11:20:51 PM »

God help me for committing this thought to permanence, but reading all these posts by amartin has me wondering if there is a way that the moderators can set a minimum number of posts that a poster must reach before being able to create their own topcs. You know, like giving them "observer status" at the U.N. that is this message board. Just a thought, because, wow...these topics are really something else... Undecided

I don't understand you, amartin. You said in another thread you started that you left the communal life because no one there prayed or took care of their spiritual lives in any way. So you've come here to post topics and replies on television, meat, and your belief that the entire world (save your incredibly insignificant, heretical neo-gnostic sect) has gone into apostasy and is headed for hellfire. How is that caring for your spiritual life?

By stroking his ego into a false sense of security in a weak belief system based entirely on condemning others?

Maybe he'll make an appearance in the masturbation thread next.

(of course, who knows? maybe we are all damned. I know it's cliche, but at least in hell we won't have to deal with heretical neo-gnostics and their flip-flopping opinions on television.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 11:41:35 PM »

your belief that the entire world (save your incredibly insignificant, heretical neo-gnostic sect) has gone into apostasy and is headed for hellfire. How is that caring for your spiritual life?

I do not believe that. I have said many times that I believe in universal spirituality - that anyone from any religion can be saved if they follow the true spiritual path that is inherent in most world religions. Quit the cult nonsense!
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 11:42:05 PM »

Amartin, if you hate TV, why do you have one, and why do you pay for 200 channels? Do you live with relatives?

I live with relatives.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 11:45:05 PM »

Amartin, if you hate TV, why do you have one, and why do you pay for 200 channels? Do you live with relatives?

I live with relatives.

LOL!

Never has a poster more quickly changed my regard for them in a positive direction than you have today.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 11:51:13 PM »

your belief that the entire world (save your incredibly insignificant, heretical neo-gnostic sect) has gone into apostasy and is headed for hellfire. How is that caring for your spiritual life?

I do not believe that. I have said many times that I believe in universal spirituality - that anyone from any religion can be saved if they follow the true spiritual path that is inherent in most world religions. Quit the cult nonsense!

Amartin, may I present you to...Amartin:

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes


The entire world IS in apostasy because they are not spiritual. Very few people are spiritual these days. This should be obvious. If you do not see that the world is in apostasy then you are spiritually blind. But people can be saved from any religion if they have a relationship with God, are faithful in their daily prayers, and do good deeds. Unfortunately, most religionists do nothing for their spirituality.

I have bolded and increased the size of the relevant part of the quote. Um...oops?
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2012, 12:11:27 AM »

I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

OH GOD!  HE'S COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY RIGHT!!! 

Have you people even seen those pawn shop shows?  Those are utter BLASPHEMY!  Basically it's a whole bunch of people who parade around like a bunch of j00ish gypsies, buying crap out of vacant sheds and then trying to SELL these items to other gypsies.  Damned Gypsies everywhere!
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2012, 12:26:06 AM »

There are pawn shop reality shows?

I know you can't be kidding.

When will I feel death's sting?

Depressing.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2012, 12:30:20 AM »

There are pawn shop reality shows?

I know you can't be kidding.

When will I feel death's sting?

Depressing.

I started to type a reply explaining to you how awesome Pawn Stars is, but I realize that no matter how I spin it, it's a reality show about a pawn shop.

I need to reevaluate my life.
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2012, 12:34:03 AM »

There are pawn shop reality shows?

I know you can't be kidding.

When will I feel death's sting?

Depressing.

I can tell you don't watch the History Channel, the show is called "Pawn Stars"...  Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2012, 12:41:35 AM »

There are pawn shop reality shows?

I know you can't be kidding.

When will I feel death's sting?

Depressing.

I started to type a reply explaining to you how awesome Pawn Stars is, but I realize that no matter how I spin it, it's a reality show about a pawn shop.

I need to reevaluate my life.

My father flew to Las Vegas a few years ago to try to sell them some of his old Journey memorabilia. Apparently he forgot to ask them before traveling there whether or not they bought rock'n'roll memorabilia. They don't. So when I talked to him on the phone and asked him how it went and if it was worth traveling all that way (from Northern California), he said "well, I didn't make any money, but I got to meet Chumlee and the Old Man, so of course it was worth it! The Old Man is really a jerk, though."

I think you have a long way to go before you have to reevaluate your life, ZZ.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 12:50:11 AM »

There are pawn shop reality shows?

I know you can't be kidding.

When will I feel death's sting?

Depressing.

I started to type a reply explaining to you how awesome Pawn Stars is, but I realize that no matter how I spin it, it's a reality show about a pawn shop.

I need to reevaluate my life.

My father flew to Las Vegas a few years ago to try to sell them some of his old Journey memorabilia. Apparently he forgot to ask them before traveling there whether or not they bought rock'n'roll memorabilia. They don't. So when I talked to him on the phone and asked him how it went and if it was worth traveling all that way (from Northern California), he said "well, I didn't make any money, but I got to meet Chumlee and the Old Man, so of course it was worth it! The Old Man is really a jerk, though."

I think you have a long way to go before you have to reevaluate your life, ZZ.

I'm surprised that they don't take rock'n'roll memorabilia... Did they say why?

I am not, however, surprised to hear that the Old Man is a jerk. Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 01:03:05 AM »

There's so much of it, the market is flooded and all of it sits there forever unless it's Beatles or Hendrix. The warehouse full of Journey junk that he took those particular pieces from would seem to confirm this observation.

Eh. The pawn shop made money off of him, at least. He bought a mug and had Chumlee sign it. Weird.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 01:05:41 AM »

There's so much of it, the market is flooded and all of it sits there forever unless it's Beatles or Hendrix. The warehouse full of Journey junk that he took those particular pieces from would seem to confirm this observation.

Eh. The pawn shop made money off of him, at least. He bought a mug and had Chumlee sign it. Weird.

I rest my case.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 01:11:56 AM »

I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

You watched 200 channels in five minutes?
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 01:11:56 AM »

I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

OH GOD!  HE'S COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY RIGHT!!! 

Have you people even seen those pawn shop shows?  Those are utter BLASPHEMY!  Basically it's a whole bunch of people who parade around like a bunch of j00ish gypsies, buying crap out of vacant sheds and then trying to SELL these items to other gypsies.  Damned Gypsies everywhere!

No, no, no.  You are mixing up Pawn Stars and American Pickers.  Duh!
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 01:14:36 AM »

I'm pretty sure life would be meaningless without Burn Notice.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 01:34:57 AM »

I watch Jeoprady every night. There are great documentaries on PBS. Some of the old Twilight Zones are great writing and give you something to think about.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2012, 01:48:49 AM »

Probably going to get anathematized for this by the really orthodox Orthodox, but I think that the best show on television is Supernatural. Yeah, it has mindless violence, fornication, satanic occultic mythologies and pagan lore, swearing etc. But all in all, it is a pretty good show with clever writing, character development and plot.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 08:33:26 AM »

I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

...says the guy spending time on the internet.
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I do not believe in watching television. But i turned it on for five minutes to view the state of the world, and out of 200 channels they were all about drugs, getting locked up, other horrific stories, sinful pop music sluts, goofy cartoons, and about the future world of machines. The only neutral aspects that I saw was that there is a Catholic channel with beardless priests prancing around pretending to be holy. Also, Pat Robertson and the 700 club. That is about as good as it gets. This is a world of COMPLETE AND UTTER 100% APOSTASY UNDER SATANIC RULERSHIP.

Please escape by becoming obedient to God!

...says the guy spending time on the internet.

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 09:21:46 AM »

There are pawn shop reality shows?

I know you can't be kidding.

When will I feel death's sting?

Depressing.

I started to type a reply explaining to you how awesome Pawn Stars is, but I realize that no matter how I spin it, it's a reality show about a pawn shop.

I need to reevaluate my life.

My father flew to Las Vegas a few years ago to try to sell them some of his old Journey memorabilia. Apparently he forgot to ask them before traveling there whether or not they bought rock'n'roll memorabilia. They don't. So when I talked to him on the phone and asked him how it went and if it was worth traveling all that way (from Northern California), he said "well, I didn't make any money, but I got to meet Chumlee and the Old Man, so of course it was worth it! The Old Man is really a jerk, though."

I think you have a long way to go before you have to reevaluate your life, ZZ.

I'm surprised that they don't take rock'n'roll memorabilia... Did they say why?

I am not, however, surprised to hear that the Old Man is a jerk. Cheesy

They've taken it before. 
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 09:21:46 AM »

Probably going to get anathematized for this by the really orthodox Orthodox, but I think that the best show on television is Supernatural. Yeah, it has mindless violence, fornication, satanic occultic mythologies and pagan lore, swearing etc. But all in all, it is a pretty good show with clever writing, character development and plot.

The best show is Breaking Bad; second best is The Borgias.  I would say The United States of Tara is third best, but unfortunately it's no longer on.

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TV is not all evil.  Just like anything, it's what you use it for.  The Internet has much evil in it, as well....we just moderate ourselves and stay away from the sites we know we shouldn't be visiting.

Why is the television any different?

I don't have cable.  In fact I still have my old 13" "tube" TV, attached to a digital converter. 

On those odd days that I actually have the time to turn it on, I can always find something good to watch.  What about all the Nature show, or the cooking shows, or the travel shows.....  No evil in them....just information.

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TV is not all evil.  Just like anything, it's what you use it for.  The Internet has much evil in it, as well....we just moderate ourselves and stay away from the sites we know we shouldn't be visiting.

Why is the television any different?

I don't have cable.  In fact I still have my old 13" "tube" TV, attached to a digital converter. 

On those odd days that I actually have the time to turn it on, I can always find something good to watch.  What about all the Nature show, or the cooking shows, or the travel shows.....  No evil in them....just information.



The problem is, evil is in a fluid state, just like water, mercury, or tears.  It seeps through cracks and taints everything around it.  The evil of reality television taints all of it.  Even the wholesome shows you watch are tainted by this evil.  I was watching a show once about the reproductive habits of lions in captivity and I notices the subliminal messaging.  Here was this one lion, having just been shot down by some cute lioness (reminding me of my own love life) and all of a sudden an image flashes on the screen.  Using the scientific advances of DVR I rewound the show to the point that I saw the apparition and slowed it down to .25 slow motion.  And there it was.  A single frame, more bestial than even the beasts I was witnessing.  Snookie.  Yes, Snookie.  A creature that is, by its very nature, the product of the spirits of reality television itself fornicating upon an Indian burial ground.  It was then that I knew that all television had been tainted by evil.  And by Snookie.


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your belief that the entire world (save your incredibly insignificant, heretical neo-gnostic sect) has gone into apostasy and is headed for hellfire. How is that caring for your spiritual life?

I do not believe that. I have said many times that I believe in universal spirituality - that anyone from any religion can be saved if they follow the true spiritual path that is inherent in most world religions. Quit the cult nonsense!

Amartin, may I present you to...Amartin:

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes


The entire world IS in apostasy because they are not spiritual. Very few people are spiritual these days. This should be obvious. If you do not see that the world is in apostasy then you are spiritually blind. But people can be saved from any religion if they have a relationship with God, are faithful in their daily prayers, and do good deeds. Unfortunately, most religionists do nothing for their spirituality.

I have bolded and increased the size of the relevant part of the quote. Um...oops?

Yes. People may be saved from any tradition by following the universal spiritual path. Unfortunately, most people do not follow the spiritual path, which requires much prayer and meditation throughout the day every single day. Protestants are not on the path. Most Catholics are not either. Very few Orthodox Christians are these days. Yet, any of the above can be saved if they become spiritual and worship God from their heart. The same goes for Jews or whatever else. In fact, I would say that observant Jews have a better chance of being saved than most Christians do because at least Jews pray the 3 daily Amidah prayers. That is something to think about...
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2012, 12:48:15 PM »

your belief that the entire world (save your incredibly insignificant, heretical neo-gnostic sect) has gone into apostasy and is headed for hellfire. How is that caring for your spiritual life?

I do not believe that. I have said many times that I believe in universal spirituality - that anyone from any religion can be saved if they follow the true spiritual path that is inherent in most world religions. Quit the cult nonsense!

Amartin, may I present you to...Amartin:

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes


The entire world IS in apostasy because they are not spiritual. Very few people are spiritual these days. This should be obvious. If you do not see that the world is in apostasy then you are spiritually blind. But people can be saved from any religion if they have a relationship with God, are faithful in their daily prayers, and do good deeds. Unfortunately, most religionists do nothing for their spirituality.

I have bolded and increased the size of the relevant part of the quote. Um...oops?

Yes. People may be saved from any tradition by following the universal spiritual path. Unfortunately, most people do not follow the spiritual path, which requires much prayer and meditation throughout the day every single day. Protestants are not on the path. Most Catholics are not either. Very few Orthodox Christians are these days. Yet, any of the above can be saved if they become spiritual and worship God from their heart. The same goes for Jews or whatever else. In fact, I would say that observant Jews have a better chance of being saved than most Christians do because at least Jews pray the 3 daily Amidah prayers. That is something to think about...

How can you know whether a person is righteous or lost? It is true that it is important to pray much, but we shouldn't judge people after our own standards. People may carry spiritual gifts which we are unable to see. Remember, it is God who reads the hearts of men.

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Father Paisios answered them that he knew about the death of the monk, after seeing the entire battalion of angels who came to collect his soul. The pilgrims were amazed and some protested and tried to explain to the Elder of whom they were talking about, thinking that the Elder did not understand.

Elder Paisios explained to them: "This particular monk was born in Asia Minor, shortly before the destruction by the Turks when they gathered all the boys. So as not to take him from their parents, they would take him with them to the reaping, and so he wouldn't cry, they just put raki* into his milk in order for him to sleep. Therefore he grew up as an alcoholic. There he found an elder and said to him that he was an alcoholic. The elder told him to do prostrations and prayers every night and beg the Panagia to help him to reduce by one the glasses he drank.

After a year he managed with struggle and repentance to make the 20 glasses he drank into 19 glasses. The struggle continued over the years and he reached 2-3 glasses, with which he would still get drunk."

The world for years saw an alcoholic monk who scandalized the pilgrims, but God saw a fighter who fought a long struggle to reduce his passion.

Without knowing what each one is trying to do what he wants to do, what right do we have to judge his effort?


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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.
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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away.

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Once on Mount Athos there was a monk who lived in Karyes. He drank and got drunk every day and was the cause of scandal to the pilgrims. Eventually he died and this relieved some of the faithful who went on to tell Elder Paisios that they were delighted that this huge problem was finally solved.

Father Paisios answered them that he knew about the death of the monk, after seeing the entire battalion of angels who came to collect his soul. The pilgrims were amazed and some protested and tried to explain to the Elder of whom they were talking about, thinking that the Elder did not understand.

Elder Paisios explained to them: "This particular monk was born in Asia Minor, shortly before the destruction by the Turks when they gathered all the boys. So as not to take him from their parents, they would take him with them to the reaping, and so he wouldn't cry, they just put raki* into his milk in order for him to sleep. Therefore he grew up as an alcoholic. There he found an elder and said to him that he was an alcoholic. The elder told him to do prostrations and prayers every night and beg the Panagia to help him to reduce by one the glasses he drank.

After a year he managed with struggle and repentance to make the 20 glasses he drank into 19 glasses. The struggle continued over the years and he reached 2-3 glasses, with which he would still get drunk."

The world for years saw an alcoholic monk who scandalized the pilgrims, but God saw a fighter who fought a long struggle to reduce his passion.

Without knowing what each one is trying to do what he wants to do, what right do we have to judge his effort?

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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

On the contrary, we are told to pray unceasingly. A man may very well go to the mosque 5 times each day but if his heart is not with him, it is worthless. In the same way, a man can pray only one time in a day for a few moments only and still be saved because the words he spoke came from the depth of his heart.

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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

So you're into all of them? Do the Zoroastrians really make you jump over a fire?
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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

amartin, there is a secret group of us who have distilled the entirety of the Divine Liturgy into a prayer comprised of a single sentence.

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Television can't be all evil. It brings us hockey, and weather reports. Plus, my dog likes it.
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This guy reminds me of what people on TV said was history's first national anthem: 

"Let 'em all go to hell, except Cave 76!"
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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2012, 01:48:51 PM »

He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

That's right! Everybody, throw away your Agpeyas/Horologions! They're useless, because you're Christian, so there's no salvation for you.

Or...

You can proclaim the truth of God out on the streets, as the Orthodox do.

You can meditate on the word of God every day and grow in knowledge and love of God, as the Orthodox do.

You can dedicate yourself to monastic life, renouncing the world's treasures and living only for God, as the Orthodox do.

There is no good practice that is not preserved in Orthodox Christianity to a greater degree than in any other religion, and with the correct understanding that the others lack. What Zoroastrians or Jews or Muslims do or do not do bears no relation to us, for they do their actions out of their own false beliefs. So it is with their strict and very public adherence to prayers, or any other Pharisical thing you can point to in condemning Christianity in favor of everything else. God is with us, who may be against us? Not you, and not a million internet heretics, and not a billion Muslims, or any Jews, Zoroastrians. Nobody.

Come back when you have fasted over half of the year with repentance before God for your many sins (as we do), and prayed many good hours of the Horologion, and all these other things that you insist we do not do. Then you will have new eyes, and not criticize our practice for not being as "faithful" as the Jews or the Muslims or the whoevers. It is enough that we struggle to do what is commanded of us, as it was commanded before any of these groups, for as St. John has said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me; for He was before me."

Orthodox Christianity stands on its own merits, and not the rejection of the faith our fathers. It is every  rejectionist/restorationist anti-Christ movement (whether it be called Judaism, Islam, Esseneism, or whatever) that clings to this "everyone has fallen away" idea. No. Everyone has not fallen away. Christ Jesus has not fallen away. The Holy Spirit, the comforter, has not fallen away. And so the Church stands forever and ever, as it is (to borrow the phrase I've read here more than once) the faith that established the universe.

Reject it if you want, but you seem to only be doing so by calling it something it's not, and then rejecting that thing of your own making. I could not find any worthy results on Google images for "Essene strawman", but...well, that.
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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2012, 02:12:14 PM »

He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

That's right! Everybody, throw away your Agpeyas/Horologions! They're useless, because you're Christian, so there's no salvation for you.

Or...

You can proclaim the truth of God out on the streets, as the Orthodox do.

You can meditate on the word of God every day and grow in knowledge and love of God, as the Orthodox do.

You can dedicate yourself to monastic life, renouncing the world's treasures and living only for God, as the Orthodox do.

There is no good practice that is not preserved in Orthodox Christianity to a greater degree than in any other religion, and with the correct understanding that the others lack. What Zoroastrians or Jews or Muslims do or do not do bears no relation to us, for they do their actions out of their own false beliefs. So it is with their strict and very public adherence to prayers, or any other Pharisical thing you can point to in condemning Christianity in favor of everything else. God is with us, who may be against us? Not you, and not a million internet heretics, and not a billion Muslims, or any Jews, Zoroastrians. Nobody.

Come back when you have fasted over half of the year with repentance before God for your many sins (as we do), and prayed many good hours of the Horologion, and all these other things that you insist we do not do. Then you will have new eyes, and not criticize our practice for not being as "faithful" as the Jews or the Muslims or the whoevers. It is enough that we struggle to do what is commanded of us, as it was commanded before any of these groups, for as St. John has said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me; for He was before me."

Orthodox Christianity stands on its own merits, and not the rejection of the faith our fathers. It is every  rejectionist/restorationist anti-Christ movement (whether it be called Judaism, Islam, Esseneism, or whatever) that clings to this "everyone has fallen away" idea. No. Everyone has not fallen away. Christ Jesus has not fallen away. The Holy Spirit, the comforter, has not fallen away. And so the Church stands forever and ever, as it is (to borrow the phrase I've read here more than once) the faith that established the universe.

Reject it if you want, but you seem to only be doing so by calling it something it's not, and then rejecting that thing of your own making. I could not find any worthy results on Google images for "Essene strawman", but...well, that.

Obviously the FAITHFUL Orthodox are being saved. But i would like to know what percentage actually do the required daily worship, prayer, and meditation...
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« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2012, 02:36:07 PM »

He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

That's right! Everybody, throw away your Agpeyas/Horologions! They're useless, because you're Christian, so there's no salvation for you.

Or...

You can proclaim the truth of God out on the streets, as the Orthodox do.

You can meditate on the word of God every day and grow in knowledge and love of God, as the Orthodox do.

You can dedicate yourself to monastic life, renouncing the world's treasures and living only for God, as the Orthodox do.

There is no good practice that is not preserved in Orthodox Christianity to a greater degree than in any other religion, and with the correct understanding that the others lack. What Zoroastrians or Jews or Muslims do or do not do bears no relation to us, for they do their actions out of their own false beliefs. So it is with their strict and very public adherence to prayers, or any other Pharisical thing you can point to in condemning Christianity in favor of everything else. God is with us, who may be against us? Not you, and not a million internet heretics, and not a billion Muslims, or any Jews, Zoroastrians. Nobody.

Come back when you have fasted over half of the year with repentance before God for your many sins (as we do), and prayed many good hours of the Horologion, and all these other things that you insist we do not do. Then you will have new eyes, and not criticize our practice for not being as "faithful" as the Jews or the Muslims or the whoevers. It is enough that we struggle to do what is commanded of us, as it was commanded before any of these groups, for as St. John has said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me; for He was before me."

Orthodox Christianity stands on its own merits, and not the rejection of the faith our fathers. It is every  rejectionist/restorationist anti-Christ movement (whether it be called Judaism, Islam, Esseneism, or whatever) that clings to this "everyone has fallen away" idea. No. Everyone has not fallen away. Christ Jesus has not fallen away. The Holy Spirit, the comforter, has not fallen away. And so the Church stands forever and ever, as it is (to borrow the phrase I've read here more than once) the faith that established the universe.

Reject it if you want, but you seem to only be doing so by calling it something it's not, and then rejecting that thing of your own making. I could not find any worthy results on Google images for "Essene strawman", but...well, that.

Obviously the FAITHFUL Orthodox are being saved. But i would like to know what percentage actually do the required daily worship, prayer, and meditation...

I pray at least twice a day before the icons.  Sometimes three.  I pray short prayers constantly throughout the day.  I have memorized the beginning part of the morning prayers so I can say them in my head before I even fully wake up and say them properly.  I burn incense, I light candles, I very rarely miss liturgy.  Follow my example and you will learn that praying frequently does not make someone righteous.  I pray because I am a sinner.  Not because I am righteous.  

Better yet, find someone who prays twice a day but believes it and trusts in God.  Then you will see what salvation looks like.
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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2012, 02:53:07 PM »

He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

That's right! Everybody, throw away your Agpeyas/Horologions! They're useless, because you're Christian, so there's no salvation for you.

Or...

You can proclaim the truth of God out on the streets, as the Orthodox do.

You can meditate on the word of God every day and grow in knowledge and love of God, as the Orthodox do.

You can dedicate yourself to monastic life, renouncing the world's treasures and living only for God, as the Orthodox do.

There is no good practice that is not preserved in Orthodox Christianity to a greater degree than in any other religion, and with the correct understanding that the others lack. What Zoroastrians or Jews or Muslims do or do not do bears no relation to us, for they do their actions out of their own false beliefs. So it is with their strict and very public adherence to prayers, or any other Pharisical thing you can point to in condemning Christianity in favor of everything else. God is with us, who may be against us? Not you, and not a million internet heretics, and not a billion Muslims, or any Jews, Zoroastrians. Nobody.

Come back when you have fasted over half of the year with repentance before God for your many sins (as we do), and prayed many good hours of the Horologion, and all these other things that you insist we do not do. Then you will have new eyes, and not criticize our practice for not being as "faithful" as the Jews or the Muslims or the whoevers. It is enough that we struggle to do what is commanded of us, as it was commanded before any of these groups, for as St. John has said, "He who comes after me is preferred before me; for He was before me."

Orthodox Christianity stands on its own merits, and not the rejection of the faith our fathers. It is every  rejectionist/restorationist anti-Christ movement (whether it be called Judaism, Islam, Esseneism, or whatever) that clings to this "everyone has fallen away" idea. No. Everyone has not fallen away. Christ Jesus has not fallen away. The Holy Spirit, the comforter, has not fallen away. And so the Church stands forever and ever, as it is (to borrow the phrase I've read here more than once) the faith that established the universe.

Reject it if you want, but you seem to only be doing so by calling it something it's not, and then rejecting that thing of your own making. I could not find any worthy results on Google images for "Essene strawman", but...well, that.

Obviously the FAITHFUL Orthodox are being saved. But i would like to know what percentage actually do the required daily worship, prayer, and meditation...

I pray at least twice a day before the icons.  Sometimes three.  I pray short prayers constantly throughout the day.  I have memorized the beginning part of the morning prayers so I can say them in my head before I even fully wake up and say them properly.  I burn incense, I light candles, I very rarely miss liturgy.  Follow my example and you will learn that praying frequently does not make someone righteous.  I pray because I am a sinner.  Not because I am righteous.  

Better yet, find someone who prays twice a day but believes it and trusts in God.  Then you will see what salvation looks like.

Praise be to God!!!
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Obviously the FAITHFUL Orthodox are being saved. But i would like to know what percentage actually do the required daily worship, prayer, and meditation...

In other words, you'd like to have the power to place these on the left, and these on the right? Is that it? I'm sorry, but that's God's prerogative, not yours or mine or anyone else's.

Anyway, you presume too much in thinking that by seeing this person's prayer rule or that person's commitment to the fast or whatever, you can say "this person is saved" or "this person is not saved". If you are going to call yourself an ORIGINAL MONOTHEIST, why do you have this strangely Protestant notion of being able to classify people as saved or unsaved?

You know who is saved? The one who works out his salvation with fear and trembling, and does not slander his brothers and sisters, but looks first at his own faults and admits that he has done nothing good before God. Abba Isaiah, Abba Moses, and the other monks of the desert taught me that. Humility, they taught (and lived by example), is the greatest of all virtues. It is hard to be humbled when you say these are saved, these are not saved based on what you can observe them doing, as though we are Pharisees and we merely follow the external law and preform the actions and this is it. Christianity, love it or hate it, is balanced in its external and internal life in ways that the religions and obscure Jewish sects you are fetishizing are not. Since you cannot know the soul of another, why play judge, jury, and executioner? Isn't that a great folly?
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 the replies in this thread are awesome! you'all are so wonderful!
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The OP is right!!!!  Grin

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He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2012, 08:12:50 PM »

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One of the few shows over the last decade or whatever, I tuned into regularly.
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2012, 08:18:54 PM »

And what do you have to defend yourself, orthonorm, for such an indefensible show?
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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2012, 08:20:28 PM »

And what do you have to defend yourself, orthonorm, for such an indefensible show?
probally because it is soooo easy to mock, just as orthonorm loves to do

that, or he is just besing his normal self, and you fail to see past the sarcasm
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.

I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.

While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.

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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.

I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.

While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.



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« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2012, 11:19:58 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2012, 03:32:14 AM »

He who does not worship, pray, and meditate every day is not among the righteous. This should be obvious. It is known by Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Islam, who all observe at least 3 daily prayers. But Christianity fell away. Christians are mostly unspiritual. Therefore, there is no salvation for them.

He who does not give charity, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the prisoners, see to the sick, and house the homeless is damned.

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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.

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While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.





Arthur is one of my favorite shows.
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.

I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.

While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.





Arthur is one of my favorite shows.

Hopefully, I didn't just destroy it for you, then.
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Everyone who knows me knows I have the TV taste of your average 12-14 old white middle class girl.

I am so OK with my anima that I don't have to watch anime to subjugate my softer side through gross depictions of helpless women always in need of saving.

While no Buffy by a long shot, still I will always love Hanna. Miley, not so much.





Arthur is one of my favorite shows.

Hopefully, I didn't just destroy it for you, then.

No, that's (the image) actually rather funny.
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