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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2012, 09:22:42 PM »

No.  I would expect anyone who holds to the principles of the English "Reformation" would reject Pastor Aeternus and the demonic Spirit of Ultramontanism.

I guess you misread the question:

Question is, do you see those who want to remain Anglican as following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?

No, I read it correctly, and answered it correctly.

Hmmm ... so is this your way of saying that you equate the terms "partisanship" and "ultramontanism" with each other?
No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.
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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2012, 09:32:23 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2012, 10:05:50 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2012, 10:15:16 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.

Can't say I like your position much better than the other "demonic spirit" criticism.
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2012, 10:43:51 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.

Can't say I like your position much better than the other "demonic spirit" criticism.
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You brought up demons.  I'd just say they were attached to heresy.
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« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2012, 01:44:29 AM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
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« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2012, 01:22:31 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
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« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2012, 02:28:35 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
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« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2012, 02:59:50 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.
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« Reply #54 on: May 09, 2012, 03:26:03 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

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It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.
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« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2012, 03:34:08 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.
The context doesn't support the "daemon" definition.
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« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2012, 03:45:36 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.
The context doesn't support the "daemon" definition.

Perhaps with charitable reading, like we all should be doing, it does.

Follow my example and see what giving people the benefit of the doubt all the time does for you.
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« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2012, 03:54:19 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.
The context doesn't support the "daemon" definition.

Perhaps with charitable reading, like we all should be doing, it does.

Follow my example and see what giving people the benefit of the doubt all the time does for you.

I don't think Isa had "daemons" (the benevolent nature spirits, etc. of classical mythology) in mind when he wrote "they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque."  And I think you know that.
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« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2012, 04:06:00 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.
The context doesn't support the "daemon" definition.

Perhaps with charitable reading, like we all should be doing, it does.

Follow my example and see what giving people the benefit of the doubt all the time does for you.

I don't think Isa had "daemons" (the benevolent nature spirits, etc. of classical mythology) in mind when he wrote "they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque."  And I think you know that.

And I don't think that, in context, he had the actual Holy Spirit in mind either. And I think you and Papist know that.
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« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2012, 04:17:03 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.
The context doesn't support the "daemon" definition.

Perhaps with charitable reading, like we all should be doing, it does.

Follow my example and see what giving people the benefit of the doubt all the time does for you.

I don't think Isa had "daemons" (the benevolent nature spirits, etc. of classical mythology) in mind when he wrote "they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque."  And I think you know that.

And I don't think that, in context, he had the actual Holy Spirit in mind either. And I think you and Papist know that.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure what, exactly, Isa had in mind when he wrote that.  Judging from the context, to whom he was replying, and from many other things he's written in the past, I stand by what I wrote: "I don't think Isa had "daemons" (the benevolent nature spirits, etc. of classical mythology) in mind..."
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« Reply #60 on: May 09, 2012, 04:58:22 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.

Can't say I like your position much better than the other "demonic spirit" criticism.
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You brought up demons.  I'd just say they were attached to heresy.

I can think of 2 ways Isa's statement could be interpretted (both of which are quite negative).

When I first read it, I assumed he meant that the RC "heresy" about the Holy Spirit was demon-influenced.

But this afternoon it occurred to me that he might be saying that we don't follow the same God as the Orthodox do.
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Johnny Damon, anyone?
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Johnny Damon, anyone?

Nice!
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« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2012, 05:18:00 PM »

Johnny Damon, anyone?

Definitely NOT!  

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Johnny Damon, anyone?

He looked like Jesus, he betrayed us like Judas.
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Johnny Damon, anyone?

He looked like Jesus, he betrayed us like Judas.

Too bad I know nothing about professional sports in general, cause this sounds like brilliance.
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« Reply #66 on: May 09, 2012, 06:19:35 PM »

I can think of 2 ways Isa's statement could be interpretted (both of which are quite negative).

Oh, I'm not claiming that any RC is going to find Isa's statement inoffensive. I'm just saying that it's rather disingenuous to try to claim that he called the Holy Spirit 'demonic' (in any sense).
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« Reply #67 on: May 09, 2012, 06:28:46 PM »

Oh, I'm not claiming that any RC is going to find Isa's statement inoffensive. I'm just saying that it's rather disingenuous to try to claim that he called the Holy Spirit 'demonic' (in any sense).

That depends.

Some people say that, if charismatic gifts are truly a divine manifestation, then those who call the charismatic movement "demonic" are blaspheming.

By a similar argument, if Catholicism is the one true church, then anyone who says that it follows a false god could be said to be blaspheming.

Of course, it both cases, actual intention to blaspheme is doubtful.
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« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2012, 10:58:26 PM »

I can think of 2 ways Isa's statement could be interpretted (both of which are quite negative).

Oh, I'm not claiming that any RC is going to find Isa's statement inoffensive. I'm just saying that it's rather disingenuous to try to claim that he called the Holy Spirit 'demonic' (in any sense).

Of course, Isa is being Isa. Which is a drag for RCs and part of his schtick I don't care for, but hey it takes all kinds. However, it is insane to think he was intentionally blaspheming.
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« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2012, 11:13:30 PM »

Oh, I'm not claiming that any RC is going to find Isa's statement inoffensive. I'm just saying that it's rather disingenuous to try to claim that he called the Holy Spirit 'demonic' (in any sense).

That depends.

Some people say that, if charismatic gifts are truly a divine manifestation, then those who call the charismatic movement "demonic" are blaspheming.

By a similar argument, if Catholicism is the one true church, then anyone who says that it follows a false god could be said to be blaspheming.

Of course, it both cases, actual intention to blaspheme is doubtful.

That assumes one defines blasphemy from the point of the hearer rather than the point of the speaker. I grant that it's arguable which is the correct perspective, but defining it from the hearer's perspective pretty much makes dialogue impossible--after all, since the Church is the Body of Christ, every time one of you claims that the Orthodox Church is not the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church of the Creed I could argue that you were committing blasphemy--from an Orthodox perspective.

Not to mention that if one accepts that blasphemy should be defined from the hearer's perspective, it doesn't leave much room for objection when a significant segment of the world's population takes "Mohammed was not a prophet" as actionable blasphemy.
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« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2012, 11:24:28 PM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
With all due respect to both of you, I don't think Christ was talking about acceptance or rejection of the filioque when He spoke of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
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« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2012, 12:31:41 AM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.

Don't forget, Effing Our Effable God
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« Reply #72 on: May 10, 2012, 12:33:04 AM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.

Don't forget, Our effable God.

I am so glad someone can remember all my brilliance.
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« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2012, 12:37:33 AM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.

Don't forget, Our effable God.

I am so glad someone can remember all my brilliance.

Evidently not, as it took me a second to realize how that was supposed to be worded in order to be funny, but alas you were too fast.
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« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2012, 12:39:01 AM »

No, I'm saying that rejection of ultramontanism doesn't necessarily entail partisanship, nor does ultramontanism preclude partisanship.

Well I can agree with that. But what I'm wondering is, do you believe that those who want to remain Anglican (and, hence, not becoming Orthodox, WRO or otherwise) are following a "demonic Spirit of Partisanship"?
they could be following the demonic Spirit of the filioque.
If I were you I wouldn't insult the Holy Spirit that way.
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven" (Matt. 12:31)
which is why Toledo and all those who follow it should shudder.

The Fathers of Constantinople I and those who follow them have nothing to fear.
Since you referred to God the Holy Spirit, as a "demonic spirit", I would shudder if I were you.


Depending on how you gloss the word in which writings demon is easily synonymous with spirit thus being redundant here, or meaning god or even God.

People know around here I want to start a podcast on AFR called either:

Our Demonic Christ

or

Our Diabolical Christ

It's the sorta edge, the kids need nowadays. And perfectly defensible usage once you understand the subtleties of language well enough.

Don't forget, Our effable God.

I am so glad someone can remember all my brilliance.

Evidently not, as it took me a second to realize how that was supposed to be worded in order to be funny, but alas you were too fast.

I just need the gist. I can work with it from there.
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« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2012, 11:34:04 AM »

Johnny Damon, anyone?

He looked like Jesus, he betrayed us like Judas.

Yes he did. And he was brilliant in the 2009 World Series for the Evil Empire.
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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2012, 12:06:54 PM »

Johnny Damon, anyone?

He looked like Jesus, he betrayed us like Judas.

Yes he did. And he was brilliant in the 2009 World Series for the Evil Empire.

Nothing like the demons, er...damons, of baseball to lead us astray from the OP and defuse tempers, eh?   Grin Grin

I know Johnny's a traitor, but....he played for the Soviet Union?  Wow--a true prodigy, eh?  They played baseball???
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