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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2012, 08:30:04 PM »

So, men can't be happy with their children?
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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2012, 03:32:14 AM »

So, men can't be happy with their children?

Once their children are self-aware and can start to speak, men can start to be happy.  Children are most enjoyable around ten-twelve, once they are beginning to form real personalities, but before they begin to experience major power conflicts with the adults in their lives.
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« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2012, 08:27:31 AM »

Can I get much closer to the Divine than when holding an infant? Ya know what I mean?

A lot. I could count dozens, probably hundreds of ways.

Infants are boring if you have more testosterone than (Gabriel help me out here with some of that folksy down home wordplay) a                 .


So, men can't be happy with their children?

Once their children are self-aware and can start to speak, men can start to be happy.  Children are most enjoyable around ten-twelve, once they are beginning to form real personalities, but before they begin to experience major power conflicts with the adults in their lives.
Let me take a stab Orthonorm;
...more testosterone than a mother hen baking biscuts in the hen house?

The only way I can relate to your sentiments gentleman is to view it in solely a practical level. It is true that taking a baby out fishing, or teaching a 6month old how to play ball, or discussing the great philosophies of life with a toddler is not exactly the father child bonding experience books and movies are made of. My daughter is now twenty and we have had, and do have, so many of these practical experiences together. Much happiness has been found in them. However, I still clearly remember the inner joy found bringing her home from the hospital and holding her as an infant in my arms. I recall a time when she ran to me frantically with tears rolling down her face, as a one yr old after I was away on business for a couple of weeks. I remember that with more inner joy than the happiness of teaching her how to ride a bike. I found that even the stages when conflict with adults was the norm, has brought great inner reward by us resolving those conflicts as a father and child. We grow closer to God through struggles, and in the same way I believe often parents and children can find the same.

I guess in one way I can agree with you guys, yet, I also feel the relationship between a child and parent is far more spiritual than the practical happiness we are also blessed with when they reach that age. There is something about a baby that seems so pure and uncontaminated by this world. Something about a baby that needs our service and selfless Love 'as we love ourselves'. Something about a baby that seems closer to touching the Divine than most anything else in life I can experience.

Then again, I can actually cook up some pretty good biscuts and gravy.  Wink
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« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2012, 09:03:03 AM »

Sure enough, "blameworthy" would mean that God felt guilty for creating us.

He did more than that. He repented of it.
I think that's more of an ancient human interpretation of the natural disasters of the time, but such passages were not taken literally.  I mean to be consistent, God seems to have a nose since He loves to smell burnt offerings?

Sometimes a human father angry at his son's actions might have said things like "I regret having you as a son.". It sounds harsh now, but in other cultures, it's a common thing parents do in upbringing their children.  It's a reflection of the culture of their time.  If God says to the human race "you're hopeless", why bother with te incarnation?  Because despite seeming hopelessness, there is still hope.
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« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2012, 10:53:02 AM »

Let me take a stab Orthonorm;
...more testosterone than a mother hen baking biscuts in the hen house?

I could be wrong, but I don't believe either of the individuals you were responding to have had babies of their own. In my experience, at least, the qualifier makes a world of difference. Babies are boring--my babies were a whole different story.
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« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2012, 09:34:12 PM »

Let me take a stab Orthonorm;
...more testosterone than a mother hen baking biscuts in the hen house?

I could be wrong, but I don't believe either of the individuals you were responding to have had babies of their own. In my experience, at least, the qualifier makes a world of difference. Babies are boring--my babies were a whole different story.

I most certainly do not, and that could - I suppose - make the difference.
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2012, 08:13:04 AM »

Let me take a stab Orthonorm;
...more testosterone than a mother hen baking biscuts in the hen house?

I could be wrong, but I don't believe either of the individuals you were responding to have had babies of their own. In my experience, at least, the qualifier makes a world of difference. Babies are boring--my babies were a whole different story.

I most certainly do not, and that could - I suppose - make the difference.

Well, yea, a difference of understanding each other anyway. I'm not sure which I appreciate more about myself; automatically 'assuming' you guys have kids, or my ability to completely forget the way I viewed children before I had one of my own.  Wink

Pertaining to the OP I'll still go with children are born as pure and 'Christ like' as many of us will ever be in life. At that point innocent of personal sin. IMHO not yet even accountable. All are born into original sin however and subject to the conditions of the world as such, yes? Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2012, 08:14:41 AM »

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