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« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2012, 12:19:28 AM »

Going in silence is worth consideration. We are always surrounded by noise, it is nice to have a break and just enjoy silence; that is until someone honks their horn!
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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2012, 11:46:53 AM »

My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2012, 01:33:59 PM »

How do you make the most degenerate elements of pop culture even worse? By making "Christian" versions of them.
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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2012, 01:39:45 PM »

How do you make the most degenerate elements of pop culture even worse? By making "Christian" versions of them.

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« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2012, 01:47:40 PM »

Rock music of any kind reminds me of my old life,  a life I wish to put far, far behind me.  

The other day an old Evangelical friend gave me a ride in her car and she had a CCM station playing.  My toes curled.  Just couldn't help it.  

So for me and maybe for others,  CCM (and secular contemporary music) is a visceral reminder of a past many of us are ashamed of, not just because of the music itself but all that things that went along with it.  For the pure in heart all things are pure but I am not pure in heart.
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« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2012, 02:15:00 PM »

i listen to public radio or our local classic rock station.
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« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2012, 02:27:45 PM »

This is how to enjoy music in the car, Xenia. Tell your Protestant friends. Grin
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« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2012, 06:07:34 PM »

My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

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When you say they "rip off secular music" do you mean that they create, essentially, Christian parodies of secular songs, or do you mean that they do what every other recording artist does, and uses similar chord progressions and such things as secular artists in their genre (such as Christian rock musicians using a similar musical style as secular rock musicians - who are also generally using a very similar style).
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« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2012, 07:19:59 AM »

Most of my non-religious musical favorites include opera, show tunes and Lebanese pop (yeah, I know...).  I have never liked contemporary Christian music.  Some of it I do, such as traditional songs which are contemporary to our beloved Byzantine chants, like Bread of Heaven. 

The Christian club at school blared this music from their meeting room at lunch on occasion, and I really don't like it.  I would rather listen to Lady Gaga, to be honest. 

One of the things that got me off of my bum on a pew and onto the carpet, on my feet in an Orthodox Church was the music choice of other Churches.

May I recommend some good Orthodox artists?  You could perhaps create a CD to listen to, or take advantage of your car's USB capabilities if it has them.

Nuns of the Monastery of Saint Paisius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGPoE5L_LY

Eikona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJipuoCREPE

You may enjoy music by more contemporary Orthodox Christian artists like Peter Jon Gillquist (which I have trouble getting into, but whatever floats your boat, as they say.)

You might check out this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=7323.0

There is a plethora of Orthodox Christian music that is far more contemporary, which I intend to explore soon.  Nothing satisfies my mind and heart more than the voices of the monks of Simonopetro monastery.  I've not been to Church in a very long time, so It's wonderful to be in a prayerful state on my drive to school or my morning walk.
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« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2012, 09:24:10 AM »

My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

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When you say they "rip off secular music" do you mean that they create, essentially, Christian parodies of secular songs, or do you mean that they do what every other recording artist does, and uses similar chord progressions and such things as secular artists in their genre (such as Christian rock musicians using a similar musical style as secular rock musicians - who are also generally using a very similar style).
Sorry, Im a musician, and I usually refrain from talking shop Smiley

Yeah its very similar chord progressions and similar tunings. IMHO the christian music industry is always 2 steps behind the secular world, so it  appears to be "a christian version" of such-and-such.

I really dont mean like folks are putting out a chrstian version of "baby hit me one more time" or anything but more like "hey man lets form a christian band and make it christian Slayer". *sigh*


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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2012, 12:09:13 AM »

My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

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When you say they "rip off secular music" do you mean that they create, essentially, Christian parodies of secular songs, or do you mean that they do what every other recording artist does, and uses similar chord progressions and such things as secular artists in their genre (such as Christian rock musicians using a similar musical style as secular rock musicians - who are also generally using a very similar style).
Sorry, Im a musician, and I usually refrain from talking shop Smiley

Yeah its very similar chord progressions and similar tunings. IMHO the christian music industry is always 2 steps behind the secular world, so it  appears to be "a christian version" of such-and-such.

I really dont mean like folks are putting out a chrstian version of "baby hit me one more time" or anything but more like "hey man lets form a christian band and make it christian Slayer". *sigh*


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But that is far from a Christian music problem, that is a problem with popular music in general; any number of bands have been accused of being ripoffs of some other band, and countless more artists and bands essentially are as well.  I don't think this is any more a problem with Christian music than with music in general (at least popular music).
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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2012, 06:22:27 AM »

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Do you know who loves you mightily?

Do you know who loves you mightily?
Who watches over you day and night?
Who gives you abundantly,
To resist devil's power?

Do you know who gave you life?
Father, mother, a brother of yours?
And who illuminated you,
With a brilliant ray of His Spirit?

Do you know who died for us?
On Golgotha, do you know?
And who prepares,
The promised joys for you, do you know?

Do you know who loves you mightily?

You ought to know who does all that,
Who's the one that loves us so,
It is Lord from above,
It is Christ, Saviour for all!

So you too, oh, remember,
And give your heart to Him,
When you wrong Him, burst in tears,
And ask for forgiveness!

In the tear of repentance
Christ's shine shall glitter,
Put your trust in Him,
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Do you know who loves you mightily?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?
Ko te chuva dan i noch?
Ko ti daye izobilno,
Da odolish vragu moch?

Znash li ko ti zhivot dao?
Oca, mayku, brata tvog?
I ko te je obasyao,
Svetlim zrakom Duha svog?

Znahs li ko ye umro za nas?
Na Golgoti, znash li to?
I radosti obechane,
Ko ti sprema znash li to?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Morash znati ko to chini,
Ko to tako lyubi nas,
To ye Gospod sa visine,
To ye Hristos, svima Spas!

Zato i ti, oh, seti se,
Pa mu svoye srce day,
Kad mu skrivish, zaplachi se,
I zamoli oproshtay!

U toj suzi pokajanja,
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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2012, 07:23:03 AM »

^ I think I have heard that one before.
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« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2012, 06:18:51 PM »

Serbian band 357

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJBC4vtcA3I

Do you know who loves you mightily?

Do you know who loves you mightily?
Who watches over you day and night?
Who gives you abundantly,
To resist devil's power?

Do you know who gave you life?
Father, mother, a brother of yours?
And who illuminated you,
With a brilliant ray of His Spirit?

Do you know who died for us?
On Golgotha, do you know?
And who prepares,
The promised joys for you, do you know?

Do you know who loves you mightily?

You ought to know who does all that,
Who's the one that loves us so,
It is Lord from above,
It is Christ, Saviour for all!

So you too, oh, remember,
And give your heart to Him,
When you wrong Him, burst in tears,
And ask for forgiveness!

In the tear of repentance
Christ's shine shall glitter,
Put your trust in Him,
He shall open heaven to you!

Do you know who loves you mightily?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?
Ko te chuva dan i noch?
Ko ti daye izobilno,
Da odolish vragu moch?

Znash li ko ti zhivot dao?
Oca, mayku, brata tvog?
I ko te je obasyao,
Svetlim zrakom Duha svog?

Znahs li ko ye umro za nas?
Na Golgoti, znash li to?
I radosti obechane,
Ko ti sprema znash li to?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Morash znati ko to chini,
Ko to tako lyubi nas,
To ye Gospod sa visine,
To ye Hristos, svima Spas!

Zato i ti, oh, seti se,
Pa mu svoye srce day,
Kad mu skrivish, zaplachi se,
I zamoli oproshtay!

U toj suzi pokajanja,
Zablistache Hristov syay,
Imay u Nyeg' pouzdanya,
Otvoriche tebi Ray!

Just listened to it now, but I gotta say I kinda like it.
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« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2012, 08:50:01 PM »

I listen to 99% Phish.... The song "story of a ghost" quite theological Smiley
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« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2012, 10:24:01 PM »

But that is far from a Christian music problem, that is a problem with popular music in general; any number of bands have been accused of being ripoffs of some other band, and countless more artists and bands essentially are as well.  I don't think this is any more a problem with Christian music than with music in general (at least popular music).

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« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2012, 05:31:13 PM »

Just listened to it now, but I gotta say I kinda like it.

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Serbian band Darkwood Dub
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I couldn't find translation in English. Title of the song is: Help us Christ.
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« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2012, 07:31:20 PM »

Ooo, techno. My wife likes that. I'm saying it's not bad too.
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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2012, 01:54:44 PM »

Ooo, techno. My wife likes that. I'm saying it's not bad too.

 Smiley

Serbian band Partibrejkers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Kosti%C4%87_%28musician%29)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rchCSZ5zqMk

Title of the song is: Whom Will I Praise?

Band leader Cane is devoted Christian, regularly attending Liturgy.

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« Reply #64 on: October 03, 2012, 03:51:28 AM »

Serbian band Beogradski Sindikat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beogradski_Sindikat)

Most of them are devoted Christians who regularly attend Liturgy.
Only this 2 videos I find with english translations.
Because they were strongly oposed to ex pro-western president Tadic and support patriotic and Orthodox view on Serbian actual problems, they are de facto banned from most of Serbian media (because they are owned from West).

Niko ne može da zna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wzxWRmRjgU

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"Borhan Tadici" is Boris Tadic name satiric misspelled in albanian way.

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A popular writer and singer of CCM worship songs, Vicky Beeching, came out as gay Wednesday in an interview with the U.K. newspaper The Independent.

“What Jesus taught was a radical message of welcome and inclusion and love,” said the 35-year-old Anglican, who recently left the Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) world to become a TV news commentator, but still makes a living from royalties when American churches sing her worship songs.
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Beeching, who sings the popular worship song “Glory to God Forever,"....studied theology at Oxford and went on to spend much of her 20s in the Christian music scene in the United States, living in Nashville and San Diego.
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Beeching still relies on royalties from her worship music to make a living, and she wrote in April that speaking out about LGBT rights is costing her. "As a result of raising my voice to support equal marriage, I’ve received lots of messages from conservative American churches saying they will 'boycott my songs.' If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop."
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boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
Are the two mutually exclusive?
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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
People who still believe CCM has anything to do with "worship" are really having reality issues. Nobody should have to be told its not about worship. It's never been about that.

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boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Peddling religion as business and worship?  Yes, I would say Jesus flipping over tables and beating people with whips answered that question quite definitively...
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
People who still believe CCM has anything to do with "worship" are really having reality issues. Nobody should have to be told its not about worship. It's never been about that.

PP
In my evangelical days, I remember hearing the artists from Audio Adrenaline (who was one of my favorite groups from the 90's) giving an interview and the interviewer asked them what their song meant. None of them could explain it.  Eventually, one of them mumbled something about it being more about the "feel" of the song than about what the song said. I knew then that I had taken a very wrong turn in my understanding of worship.
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In my evangelical days, I remember hearing the artists from Audio Adrenaline (who was one of my favorite groups from the 90's) giving an interview and the interviewer asked them what their song meant. None of them could explain it.  Eventually, one of them mumbled something about it being more about the "feel" of the song than about what the song said. I knew then that I had taken a very wrong turn in my understanding of worship
AA actually were pretty decent musicians.

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« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2014, 03:09:50 PM »

I still think the Odinists make the best commercial religious music.
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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2014, 04:42:55 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
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« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2014, 12:56:29 AM »

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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Peddling religion as business and worship?  Yes, I would say Jesus flipping over tables and beating people with whips answered that question quite definitively...
Right because we don't pay our Priests, some churches don't have professional choirs, monasteries have never sold any thing, and all your icons were free.
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« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2014, 01:06:12 AM »

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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
People who still believe CCM has anything to do with "worship" are really having reality issues. Nobody should have to be told its not about worship. It's never been about that.

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For some, no. Perhaps for many no, but I know that some do Glenn Kaiser from Resurrection Band comes to mind for example, and I have a notion that he would vouch for some people too. Though he may agree with you on others. I don't know about the younger crop of musicians, but back in the day I spent a good deal of time doing stage crew work and security for a variety of Christian acts and I got the definite impression that quite a few  of them were sincere.
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« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2014, 01:24:31 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  Smiley
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« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2014, 11:17:46 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  Smiley

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« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2014, 12:44:07 PM »

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boo hoo.

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You've never responded to my post some time ago pointing out that as much as you talk about people needing to grow up and take responsibility, whatever that means, you often use both the form and content of argument excepted of someone in their adolescence when being mean-spirited.

Why is that?
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« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2014, 01:48:22 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  Smiley

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Yes, it's the worst thing ever created.
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« Reply #81 on: August 25, 2014, 12:50:40 PM »

I still think the Odinists make the best commercial religious music.

They have their own clunkers too: http://youtu.be/8PKmR0yjcKQ
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« Reply #82 on: August 25, 2014, 12:57:39 PM »

We had these in the old country...
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« Reply #83 on: August 25, 2014, 01:02:15 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  Smiley

Whatever floats your boat.  Mine sank.

Yes, it's the worst thing ever created.
I am reluctant to be too critical of something that someone put so much heart and soul into, but that really hurt my ears.
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« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2014, 01:08:24 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  Smiley

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Yes, it's the worst thing ever created.

Worse than this?
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« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2014, 05:31:47 AM »

That's pretty bad too.
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