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Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« on: May 01, 2012, 03:20:38 PM »
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I have a 25-minute (one way) drive to work. I have a choice of listening to light rock, light rock, pop, more light rock, or Contemporary Christian Music (CCM). Some have rightfully said that CCM isn't as good as most pop or rock music, which I'd agree with. However, it does offer a cleaner message and we don't have to repeatedly listen to the same Lady Gaga song across several stations. Most have theologies that disagree with Orthodoxy. Some are strange (like Matthew West's You Are Everything). I attended an LCMS University and my New Testament professor made us listen to Michael W. Smith's Ancient Words. It's a good song.

For those who don't know, Orthodoxy has OFM (Orthodox Folk Music). Unlike CCM which can used during Protestant contemporary worship services, OFM is purely modern folk music, like drinking songs but with Christ-centered lyrics. You can find those at St. Romanos Records.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 03:26:49 PM »
I generally don't find Christian music to be any better or worse than secular music, but then I'm mostly thinking of metal as I don't listen to much you'd hear on more pop-oriented stations. Though I will say that I rather liked some of the worship songs we used when I was a Protestant. Theologically shaky at best, sure, and sappy and emotional, but still, it got me to feel something (positive), which is more than I can say for most music.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 03:39:34 PM »

What about classical music (gotta love Beethoven, Mozart, etc.), Jazz or simply listening to the NEWS?
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 04:09:54 PM »
I have never understood the antipathy some Orthodox and Catholics have to CCM; I can only assume such antipathy is created and fostered by Evangelical converts to Orthodoxy or Catholicism who want to distance themselves completely from their past.  Some CCM is complete and utter crap.  No one with half a brain cell denies that.  However, much is also quite good.  In that respect, it is the same as any popular music: some of it sucks, some of it is good.  I mean, bands like D.C. Talk have even had their music played on VH1 and MTV (in the case of D.C. Talk, shortly before they went on an indefinite hiatus, their song Between You and Me was making the rounds on said stations, and on popular radio).  Then there are bands like Switchfoot which are composed of Christians and write songs that seem to quite clearly be influenced by Christianity, and who are quite popular nonetheless amongst non-Christians.  However, bands like Switchfoot usually get ignored by those who attack Christian rock for no apparent reason, because Switchfoot doesn't make any major attempts to tie itself in with the Christian music industry, whereas Toby Mac, for instance, does. 

As to the charge that CCM is not, somehow, "theologically heavy" or some such thing, should you really expect it to be?  I mean, when CCM artists create songs that they intend to be worship songs, they usually take a piece of the Psalter, sometimes a whole Psalm, sometimes not, and expand it into a 3 to 5 minute song.  If anyone attacks CCM for not being theologically heavy, they must attack David for not having put enough theology into the Psalms, because most CCM is at least as theological as the Psalms. 

As for Christian rock specifically, it seems to be that most people have one or two songs in their mind, and listen to every other Christian rock song with preconceived notions that it must be a "Jesus-is-my-boyfriend" song, and then keep hold of lyrics that they can interpret that way, while ignoring the lyrics that contradict such an interpretation.  Honestly, I've quite seldom heard a "Jesus-is-my-boyfriend" song, and I spent the better part of a few years listening to more-or-less ONLY Christian radio stations (specifically, KLove and Air1). 

As to the accuracy of the theology that is in Christian music, well, most CCM songs COULD be interpreted in theologically flawed ways, but COULD also be interpreted in theologically accurate ways, much how Amazing Grace can be seen as endorsing once-saved-always-saved, or can be seen in a theologically accurate way.  Those who are not prejudiced against Christian music will not hear every single CCM song as being heresy, while those who are prejudiced against it will always hear it as the gravest heresy.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 04:36:18 PM »

What about classical music (gotta love Beethoven, Mozart, etc.), Jazz or simply listening to the NEWS?
I think society has reached a point when we're over-saturated with news. In other words, it's no longer news and reactionary, over-the-top drama.

As to the charge that CCM is not, somehow, "theologically heavy" or some such thing, should you really expect it to be?  I mean, when CCM artists create songs that they intend to be worship songs, they usually take a piece of the Psalter, sometimes a whole Psalm, sometimes not, and expand it into a 3 to 5 minute song.  If anyone attacks CCM for not being theologically heavy, they must attack David for not having put enough theology into the Psalms, because most CCM is at least as theological as the Psalms. 

As to the accuracy of the theology that is in Christian music, well, most CCM songs COULD be interpreted in theologically flawed ways, but COULD also be interpreted in theologically accurate ways, much how Amazing Grace can be seen as endorsing once-saved-always-saved, or can be seen in a theologically accurate way.  Those who are not prejudiced against Christian music will not hear every single CCM song as being heresy, while those who are prejudiced against it will always hear it as the gravest heresy.

To be fair, I did link to an example of a 'bad song'.  Even the B-I-B-L-E song has the lyric, "I stand alone on the Word of God," which endorses Sola Scriptura and making it unacceptable for Orthodox Sunday Schools. I think we can agree that it's more theologically effecacious for Orthodox to listen to Orthodox Folk Music rather than CCM.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 07:36:27 PM »
If I wanted to listen to contemporary music then I would listen to contemporary music. But Christianity and Christian worship in particular is not supposed to be contemporary; it is liturgical. If I want to listen to something to help me worship, then I would listen to our liturgical hymns.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 07:47:30 PM »

Personally, I've got a number of Liturgies and services that I've recorded.  I play these back ALL the time....and each time I get re-energized as the memory of the actual moment floods back to me.

I also have a rather extensive library of Orthodoxy CD's....Sacred Treasures, Chants from Valaam, etc. 

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 07:49:16 PM »
The only "CCM" I can stomach is by a weird occultist dude named David Tibet.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 08:25:19 PM »

What about classical music (gotta love Beethoven, Mozart, etc.), Jazz or simply listening to the NEWS?
I think society has reached a point when we're over-saturated with news. In other words, it's no longer news and reactionary, over-the-top drama.

 You got that right!  Seems Journalism has been replaced with Pugilism.  BTW, doesn't your radio have country or bluegrass? 

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 09:31:30 PM »
Meh. I listened to my share of CCM back in the day and will occasionally delve into the older songs I used to listen to out of a sense of nostalgia. That said, I was never that big of a fan of CCM radio, even in the days when I could stomach ANY radio station for longer than five minutes. I like certain types of music, this taste is wide and diverse, but most of CCM falls into the categories of music I don't like- bland manufactured pop or folksy wannabe spiritual music or Amy Grant. The fact that this music was Christian just made it worse- the Evangelical love of lowest-common-denominator pop-consumerism spirituality given musical form- the musical equivalent of WWJD bracelets and "edgy" t-shirts with Christian themes wore thin after too long and ends up sending the wrong message entirely.

Even the songs I did like weren't the greatest- I can count the number of bands on one finger that "changed my life" in the same manner my first listen to Nirvana or the Ramones did. Too, there was a tendency in the subgenres of CCM that doesn't exist in the sub-genre's of music- a group is expected to change it's style to match what is popular whereas in actual underground rap or punk this is something that would be derided. A good example is DC Talk- Jesus Freak was indeed a great album, very well done, and well-deserving of the accolades it has won since it's release in 1995- but the sudden shift away from their original rap-rock-and-soul style to ripping off Smells Like Teen Spirit is something that would have had them rightly pilloried in most non-Christian music lovers' camps.

In short, what ended up falling flat with me, and leading to my not listening to any new Christian music well before my conversion to Orthodoxy, was the fact that CCMers are not musicians, they are evangelists with musical instruments. The Message is what is important, not the Music- and while this might, to a certain extent, be true when the Message is the Gospel there is a certain dishonesty behind adopting the trappings of a musical style beyond that of bland-radio pop that undermines the Message to begin with. If more bands were Christian musicians as opposed to Christians with musical instruments I might still be listening to Christian bands to this day.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 09:43:23 PM »
Hymns are always best. CCM is just garbage.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 09:54:02 PM »
I have never understood the antipathy some Orthodox and Catholics have to CCM; I can only assume such antipathy is created and fostered by Evangelical converts to Orthodoxy or Catholicism who want to distance themselves completely from their past.  Some CCM is complete and utter crap.  No one with half a brain cell denies that.  However, much is also quite good.  In that respect, it is the same as any popular music: some of it sucks, some of it is good.  I mean, bands like D.C. Talk have even had their music played on VH1 and MTV (in the case of D.C. Talk, shortly before they went on an indefinite hiatus, their song Between You and Me was making the rounds on said stations, and on popular radio).  Then there are bands like Switchfoot which are composed of Christians and write songs that seem to quite clearly be influenced by Christianity, and who are quite popular nonetheless amongst non-Christians.  However, bands like Switchfoot usually get ignored by those who attack Christian rock for no apparent reason, because Switchfoot doesn't make any major attempts to tie itself in with the Christian music industry, whereas Toby Mac, for instance, does.  

As to the charge that CCM is not, somehow, "theologically heavy" or some such thing, should you really expect it to be?  I mean, when CCM artists create songs that they intend to be worship songs, they usually take a piece of the Psalter, sometimes a whole Psalm, sometimes not, and expand it into a 3 to 5 minute song.  If anyone attacks CCM for not being theologically heavy, they must attack David for not having put enough theology into the Psalms, because most CCM is at least as theological as the Psalms.  

As for Christian rock specifically, it seems to be that most people have one or two songs in their mind, and listen to every other Christian rock song with preconceived notions that it must be a "Jesus-is-my-boyfriend" song, and then keep hold of lyrics that they can interpret that way, while ignoring the lyrics that contradict such an interpretation.  Honestly, I've quite seldom heard a "Jesus-is-my-boyfriend" song, and I spent the better part of a few years listening to more-or-less ONLY Christian radio stations (specifically, KLove and Air1).  

As to the accuracy of the theology that is in Christian music, well, most CCM songs COULD be interpreted in theologically flawed ways, but COULD also be interpreted in theologically accurate ways, much how Amazing Grace can be seen as endorsing once-saved-always-saved, or can be seen in a theologically accurate way.  Those who are not prejudiced against Christian music will not hear every single CCM song as being heresy, while those who are prejudiced against it will always hear it as the gravest heresy.

Except that some of us started hating CCM years and years before Orthodox came on the radar. Stop assuming because we don't like something Protestant it must mean we're reactionary converts.  ::)  Maybe it means we have taste   :P

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 10:58:40 PM »
I tend to listen to "The Ark" on the "Orthodox Christian Network", a lot of variety in style everything from traditional Byzantine Chant to folk music, to some hard rocking numbers. Not a lot actual variety in songs. I guess there's not a lot of contemporary Orthodox artists out there, but there are some songs on there that I really like musically, and I say that as a musician. (Not a good musician, mind you, but as someone who plays and doesn't just listen.)

As to the Protestant Contemporary Christian Music I understand about some of the dislike especially the mainstream radio stuff. Now, however, I used to go to the Cornerstone festival every year and the music there was of wide variety from folk to metal, rap to punk, "New Age Music" (the style, not the ideology) to Goth. Most of the artists they brought in, at least when I went, wouldn't be caught dead flipping styles, and the had the good sense to group music like with like. The metal bands would be on the metal stage the folk bands on the folk stage. Some of the bands were really deep too.

As a festival they branched out beyond music too into art, literature (Tolkien, Lewis, others) movies, and teaching on many topics. The seminars covered also of the previous topics as well as apologetics,  the business side of ministry, culture etc. It was a good time and definitely not a vanilla experience.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 11:11:18 PM »
I tend to listen to "The Ark" on the "Orthodox Christian Network", a lot of variety in style everything from traditional Byzantine Chant to folk music, to some hard rocking numbers. Not a lot actual variety in songs. I guess there's not a lot of contemporary Orthodox artists out there, but there are some songs on there that I really like musically, and I say that as a musician. (Not a good musician, mind you, but as someone who plays and doesn't just listen.)

As to the Protestant Contemporary Christian Music I understand about some of the dislike especially the mainstream radio stuff. Now, however, I used to go to the Cornerstone festival every year and the music there was of wide variety from folk to metal, rap to punk, "New Age Music" (the style, not the ideology) to Goth. Most of the artists they brought in, at least when I went, wouldn't be caught dead flipping styles, and the had the good sense to group music like with like. The metal bands would be on the metal stage the folk bands on the folk stage. Some of the bands were really deep too.

As a festival they branched out beyond music too into art, literature (Tolkien, Lewis, others) movies, and teaching on many topics. The seminars covered also of the previous topics as well as apologetics,  the business side of ministry, culture etc. It was a good time and definitely not a vanilla experience.

I went to Cornerstone back in the early 80's.  It was definitely not your vanilla experience.   :D  The oddest memory I have is going to a seminar given by Edith Schaeffer.  Very odd experience with all those punk and metal rock people and here was little Edith Schaeffer talking about homemaking and caring for Francis in his last days.

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 11:18:20 PM »
I tend to listen to "The Ark" on the "Orthodox Christian Network", a lot of variety in style everything from traditional Byzantine Chant to folk music, to some hard rocking numbers. Not a lot actual variety in songs. I guess there's not a lot of contemporary Orthodox artists out there, but there are some songs on there that I really like musically, and I say that as a musician. (Not a good musician, mind you, but as someone who plays and doesn't just listen.)

As to the Protestant Contemporary Christian Music I understand about some of the dislike especially the mainstream radio stuff. Now, however, I used to go to the Cornerstone festival every year and the music there was of wide variety from folk to metal, rap to punk, "New Age Music" (the style, not the ideology) to Goth. Most of the artists they brought in, at least when I went, wouldn't be caught dead flipping styles, and the had the good sense to group music like with like. The metal bands would be on the metal stage the folk bands on the folk stage. Some of the bands were really deep too.

As a festival they branched out beyond music too into art, literature (Tolkien, Lewis, others) movies, and teaching on many topics. The seminars covered also of the previous topics as well as apologetics,  the business side of ministry, culture etc. It was a good time and definitely not a vanilla experience.

Heh, that takes me back- not that I ever went to the Cornerstone festival, but I lived a block down from the JPUSA commune in Chicago. For those who don't know, the JPUSA are the ones who started and still back the Cornerstone festival. They were an... interesting group of people.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 11:40:37 PM »
I tend to listen to "The Ark" on the "Orthodox Christian Network", a lot of variety in style everything from traditional Byzantine Chant to folk music, to some hard rocking numbers. Not a lot actual variety in songs. I guess there's not a lot of contemporary Orthodox artists out there, but there are some songs on there that I really like musically, and I say that as a musician. (Not a good musician, mind you, but as someone who plays and doesn't just listen.)

As to the Protestant Contemporary Christian Music I understand about some of the dislike especially the mainstream radio stuff. Now, however, I used to go to the Cornerstone festival every year and the music there was of wide variety from folk to metal, rap to punk, "New Age Music" (the style, not the ideology) to Goth. Most of the artists they brought in, at least when I went, wouldn't be caught dead flipping styles, and the had the good sense to group music like with like. The metal bands would be on the metal stage the folk bands on the folk stage. Some of the bands were really deep too.

As a festival they branched out beyond music too into art, literature (Tolkien, Lewis, others) movies, and teaching on many topics. The seminars covered also of the previous topics as well as apologetics,  the business side of ministry, culture etc. It was a good time and definitely not a vanilla experience.

I went to Cornerstone back in the early 80's.  It was definitely not your vanilla experience.   :D  The oddest memory I have is going to a seminar given by Edith Schaeffer.  Very odd experience with all those punk and metal rock people and here was little Edith Schaeffer talking about homemaking and caring for Francis in his last days.
You know I think I remember her being there. I went every year for at least the first ten years and  a decent amount of the 2nd ten, I just don't remember exactly how many. It worked well for me I like Heavy Metal and bagpipes.

Heh, that takes me back- not that I ever went to the Cornerstone festival, but I lived a block down from the JPUSA commune in Chicago. For those who don't know, the JPUSA are the ones who started and still back the Cornerstone festival. They were an... interesting group of people.

Agreed, I visited them for several Sunday morning services when I was in college.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 11:47:35 PM »

What about classical music (gotta love Beethoven, Mozart, etc.), Jazz or simply listening to the NEWS?
I think society has reached a point when we're over-saturated with news. In other words, it's no longer news and reactionary, over-the-top drama.

As to the charge that CCM is not, somehow, "theologically heavy" or some such thing, should you really expect it to be?  I mean, when CCM artists create songs that they intend to be worship songs, they usually take a piece of the Psalter, sometimes a whole Psalm, sometimes not, and expand it into a 3 to 5 minute song.  If anyone attacks CCM for not being theologically heavy, they must attack David for not having put enough theology into the Psalms, because most CCM is at least as theological as the Psalms. 

As to the accuracy of the theology that is in Christian music, well, most CCM songs COULD be interpreted in theologically flawed ways, but COULD also be interpreted in theologically accurate ways, much how Amazing Grace can be seen as endorsing once-saved-always-saved, or can be seen in a theologically accurate way.  Those who are not prejudiced against Christian music will not hear every single CCM song as being heresy, while those who are prejudiced against it will always hear it as the gravest heresy.

To be fair, I did link to an example of a 'bad song'.  Even the B-I-B-L-E song has the lyric, "I stand alone on the Word of God," which endorses Sola Scriptura and making it unacceptable for Orthodox Sunday Schools. I think we can agree that it's more theologically effecacious for Orthodox to listen to Orthodox Folk Music rather than CCM.

But, again, there are plenty of perfectly acceptable CCM songs.  Why should Orthodox Folk Music be any better, simply because Orthodox people wrote it?  Nestorius was once Orthodox, as was Arius.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2012, 03:36:55 AM »
...some of us started hating CCM years and years before Orthodox came on the radar. Stop assuming because we don't like something Protestant it must mean we're reactionary converts.  ::)  Maybe it means we have taste   :P

Agreed.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2012, 05:04:56 AM »

What about classical music (gotta love Beethoven, Mozart, etc.), Jazz or simply listening to the NEWS?
I think society has reached a point when we're over-saturated with news. In other words, it's no longer news and reactionary, over-the-top drama.

As to the charge that CCM is not, somehow, "theologically heavy" or some such thing, should you really expect it to be?  I mean, when CCM artists create songs that they intend to be worship songs, they usually take a piece of the Psalter, sometimes a whole Psalm, sometimes not, and expand it into a 3 to 5 minute song.  If anyone attacks CCM for not being theologically heavy, they must attack David for not having put enough theology into the Psalms, because most CCM is at least as theological as the Psalms. 

As to the accuracy of the theology that is in Christian music, well, most CCM songs COULD be interpreted in theologically flawed ways, but COULD also be interpreted in theologically accurate ways, much how Amazing Grace can be seen as endorsing once-saved-always-saved, or can be seen in a theologically accurate way.  Those who are not prejudiced against Christian music will not hear every single CCM song as being heresy, while those who are prejudiced against it will always hear it as the gravest heresy.

To be fair, I did link to an example of a 'bad song'.  Even the B-I-B-L-E song has the lyric, "I stand alone on the Word of God," which endorses Sola Scriptura and making it unacceptable for Orthodox Sunday Schools. I think we can agree that it's more theologically effecacious for Orthodox to listen to Orthodox Folk Music rather than CCM.

But, again, there are plenty of perfectly acceptable CCM songs.  Why should Orthodox Folk Music be any better, simply because Orthodox people wrote it?  Nestorius was once Orthodox, as was Arius.
By and large, OFM tends to have better, more Orthodox lyrics, while CCM tends to be theologically shallow (speaking in generalizations, of course). My favorite CCM band is Faith +1.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2012, 06:39:48 AM »

What about classical music (gotta love Beethoven, Mozart, etc.), Jazz or simply listening to the NEWS?
I think society has reached a point when we're over-saturated with news. In other words, it's no longer news and reactionary, over-the-top drama.

As to the charge that CCM is not, somehow, "theologically heavy" or some such thing, should you really expect it to be?  I mean, when CCM artists create songs that they intend to be worship songs, they usually take a piece of the Psalter, sometimes a whole Psalm, sometimes not, and expand it into a 3 to 5 minute song.  If anyone attacks CCM for not being theologically heavy, they must attack David for not having put enough theology into the Psalms, because most CCM is at least as theological as the Psalms. 

As to the accuracy of the theology that is in Christian music, well, most CCM songs COULD be interpreted in theologically flawed ways, but COULD also be interpreted in theologically accurate ways, much how Amazing Grace can be seen as endorsing once-saved-always-saved, or can be seen in a theologically accurate way.  Those who are not prejudiced against Christian music will not hear every single CCM song as being heresy, while those who are prejudiced against it will always hear it as the gravest heresy.

To be fair, I did link to an example of a 'bad song'.  Even the B-I-B-L-E song has the lyric, "I stand alone on the Word of God," which endorses Sola Scriptura and making it unacceptable for Orthodox Sunday Schools. I think we can agree that it's more theologically effecacious for Orthodox to listen to Orthodox Folk Music rather than CCM.

But, again, there are plenty of perfectly acceptable CCM songs.  Why should Orthodox Folk Music be any better, simply because Orthodox people wrote it?  Nestorius was once Orthodox, as was Arius.
By and large, OFM tends to have better, more Orthodox lyrics, while CCM tends to be theologically shallow (speaking in generalizations, of course). My favorite CCM band is Faith +1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS1mRm6H96Q

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If you think CCM is theologically shallow, you must be real upset how the Orthodox Church has Psalms read, what with their theological shallowness.

CCM is generally JUST as theologically deep as the Psalms.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2012, 08:49:33 AM »
I'm puzzled by the assumption that, if the music has "good lyrics", that the music as a whole is therefore good.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2012, 07:04:15 PM »
With that last sentence of his post, JamesRottnek made me laugh.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2012, 12:52:55 AM »
This is a contemporary Orthodox song about becoming Orthodox, and I highly recommend that everyone here go listen and be edified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

Seriously, please go listen to it. Please. I don't want to be the only one here who has listened to this. Be attentive to the brief bridge.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2012, 02:40:51 AM »
This is a contemporary Orthodox song about becoming Orthodox, and I highly recommend that everyone here go listen and be edified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

Seriously, please go listen to it. Please. I don't want to be the only one here who has listened to this. Be attentive to the brief bridge.

I stopped at 34 seconds because that was way too cheesy.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2012, 02:50:53 PM »
I stopped at 34 seconds because that was way too cheesy.

Please somebody, make it all the way through. TRA-DI-SHE-ON.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2012, 02:52:31 PM »
This is a contemporary Orthodox song about becoming Orthodox, and I highly recommend that everyone here go listen and be edified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

Seriously, please go listen to it. Please. I don't want to be the only one here who has listened to this. Be attentive to the brief bridge.

I stopped at 34 seconds because that was way too cheesy.
I got further than that, at least a bit. A good effort: not unlike many of the conversion stories we read here and everywhere. Interesting idea to put it in the context of a song. I like the idea and concept - unfortunately, I really don't like that style of music (Christian or not).

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2012, 02:55:50 PM »
Yeah, I couldn't make it the whole way through. Sorry. It's not bad, but I don't think I like explicitly religious songs in Western pop format very much. Which is weird, because I like folk music, but I didn't like that. Hm.

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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2012, 06:08:05 PM »
What about orthodox gospel music. I'd love to see something like that
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2012, 06:22:41 PM »
What about orthodox gospel music. I'd love to see something like that

I think Psalm 50 would make a wonderful Gospel song, if by Gospel we are referring to what Martin Luther King, Jr called a "Negro Spiritual" and not to the Gaithers.
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2012, 06:36:05 PM »
What about orthodox gospel music. I'd love to see something like that

I think Psalm 50 would make a wonderful Gospel song, if by Gospel we are referring to what Martin Luther King, Jr called a "Negro Spiritual" and not to the Gaithers.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2012, 07:17:55 PM »
This is a contemporary Orthodox song about becoming Orthodox, and I highly recommend that everyone here go listen and be edified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

Seriously, please go listen to it. Please. I don't want to be the only one here who has listened to this. Be attentive to the brief bridge.
Thanks for sharing. I would have written the lyrics somehow different: Like "I like a candle for my family/And 40 for my enemy/ Eastern Orthodoxy" or something.
And once he'll get the right mindset he'll modify the opening line to :"I go to church when I feel like it/when we keep Easter in the East at least..."
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2012, 12:08:12 AM »
This is a contemporary Orthodox song about becoming Orthodox, and I highly recommend that everyone here go listen and be edified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

Seriously, please go listen to it. Please. I don't want to be the only one here who has listened to this. Be attentive to the brief bridge.
Thanks for sharing. I would have written the lyrics somehow different: Like "I like a candle for my family/And 40 for my enemy/ Eastern Orthodoxy" or something.
And once he'll get the right mindset he'll modify the opening line to :"I go to church when I feel like it/when we keep Easter in the East at least..."

The East has no exclusive claim to the Easter and/or Christmas Christian. The West has a proud heritage of once or twice a year for many people.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2012, 05:48:50 AM »
This is a contemporary Orthodox song about becoming Orthodox, and I highly recommend that everyone here go listen and be edified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

Seriously, please go listen to it. Please. I don't want to be the only one here who has listened to this. Be attentive to the brief bridge.

If I were a priest I wouldn't commune this person until he removed the song from youtube.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2012, 06:01:43 AM »
This is a contemporary Orthodox song about becoming Orthodox, and I highly recommend that everyone here go listen and be edified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

Seriously, please go listen to it. Please. I don't want to be the only one here who has listened to this. Be attentive to the brief bridge.

If I were a priest I wouldn't commune this person until he removed the song from youtube.

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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2012, 08:08:16 AM »
Come on people, it's the woman in the video who wrote the song.

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2012, 08:58:20 AM »
Yeah, I couldn't make it the whole way through. Sorry. It's not bad, but I don't think I like explicitly religious songs in Western pop format very much. Which is weird, because I like folk music, but I didn't like that. Hm.

No, it's just bad.

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2012, 11:25:13 AM »
Oh, okay. I thought music was a matter of taste, but I guess you're right, it isn't.  :)

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2012, 12:59:25 PM »
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2012, 07:26:19 PM »
Oh, okay. I thought music was a matter of taste, but I guess you're right, it isn't.  :)

Usually it's a matter of taste; there are a few rare instances where it is not.
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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2012, 02:09:57 PM »
I bought the new Demon Hunter album a few days ago. A Christian friend recommended it to me, saying it was aweseome. He is no longer my friend.
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« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2012, 03:19:30 PM »
One of my greatest fears is that the next "reality" TV show will be "Christian Idol"  :P.

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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2012, 04:27:21 AM »
I bought the new Demon Hunter album a few days ago. A Christian friend recommended it to me, saying it was aweseome. He is no longer my friend.

I don't care for the one or two Demon Hunter songs I've listened to (though I know one or two non-Christian metal heads who do like them, if I'm keeping my Christian metal bands straight), but I also generally don't like metal.
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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2012, 02:38:19 PM »
Well speaking of contemporary Christian music and Orthodox homemade forays there unto….here's something a bit different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rTZ7NFQMJ4

BTW…whatever became of St. Romanos Records?
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2012, 12:19:28 AM »
Going in silence is worth consideration. We are always surrounded by noise, it is nice to have a break and just enjoy silence; that is until someone honks their horn!
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2012, 11:46:53 AM »
My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2012, 01:33:59 PM »
How do you make the most degenerate elements of pop culture even worse? By making "Christian" versions of them.
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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2012, 01:39:45 PM »
How do you make the most degenerate elements of pop culture even worse? By making "Christian" versions of them.


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« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2012, 01:47:40 PM »
Rock music of any kind reminds me of my old life,  a life I wish to put far, far behind me.  

The other day an old Evangelical friend gave me a ride in her car and she had a CCM station playing.  My toes curled.  Just couldn't help it.  

So for me and maybe for others,  CCM (and secular contemporary music) is a visceral reminder of a past many of us are ashamed of, not just because of the music itself but all that things that went along with it.  For the pure in heart all things are pure but I am not pure in heart.
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« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2012, 02:15:00 PM »
i listen to public radio or our local classic rock station.

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« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2012, 02:27:45 PM »
This is how to enjoy music in the car, Xenia. Tell your Protestant friends. ;D

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« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2012, 06:07:34 PM »
My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

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When you say they "rip off secular music" do you mean that they create, essentially, Christian parodies of secular songs, or do you mean that they do what every other recording artist does, and uses similar chord progressions and such things as secular artists in their genre (such as Christian rock musicians using a similar musical style as secular rock musicians - who are also generally using a very similar style).
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« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2012, 07:19:59 AM »
Most of my non-religious musical favorites include opera, show tunes and Lebanese pop (yeah, I know...).  I have never liked contemporary Christian music.  Some of it I do, such as traditional songs which are contemporary to our beloved Byzantine chants, like Bread of Heaven. 

The Christian club at school blared this music from their meeting room at lunch on occasion, and I really don't like it.  I would rather listen to Lady Gaga, to be honest. 

One of the things that got me off of my bum on a pew and onto the carpet, on my feet in an Orthodox Church was the music choice of other Churches.

May I recommend some good Orthodox artists?  You could perhaps create a CD to listen to, or take advantage of your car's USB capabilities if it has them.

Nuns of the Monastery of Saint Paisius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGPoE5L_LY

Eikona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJipuoCREPE

You may enjoy music by more contemporary Orthodox Christian artists like Peter Jon Gillquist (which I have trouble getting into, but whatever floats your boat, as they say.)

You might check out this thread: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=7323.0

There is a plethora of Orthodox Christian music that is far more contemporary, which I intend to explore soon.  Nothing satisfies my mind and heart more than the voices of the monks of Simonopetro monastery.  I've not been to Church in a very long time, so It's wonderful to be in a prayerful state on my drive to school or my morning walk.
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« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2012, 09:24:10 AM »
My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

PP

When you say they "rip off secular music" do you mean that they create, essentially, Christian parodies of secular songs, or do you mean that they do what every other recording artist does, and uses similar chord progressions and such things as secular artists in their genre (such as Christian rock musicians using a similar musical style as secular rock musicians - who are also generally using a very similar style).
Sorry, Im a musician, and I usually refrain from talking shop :)

Yeah its very similar chord progressions and similar tunings. IMHO the christian music industry is always 2 steps behind the secular world, so it  appears to be "a christian version" of such-and-such.

I really dont mean like folks are putting out a chrstian version of "baby hit me one more time" or anything but more like "hey man lets form a christian band and make it christian Slayer". *sigh*


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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2012, 12:09:13 AM »
My big issue with CCM is that many of the "artists" do little more than rip off secular music. It tends to be pretty bad IMHO.

I'd much rather take a band of christians or a singer who is Christian (U2, Switchfoot), then a christian band or a "christian singer" if you take my meaning.

PP

When you say they "rip off secular music" do you mean that they create, essentially, Christian parodies of secular songs, or do you mean that they do what every other recording artist does, and uses similar chord progressions and such things as secular artists in their genre (such as Christian rock musicians using a similar musical style as secular rock musicians - who are also generally using a very similar style).
Sorry, Im a musician, and I usually refrain from talking shop :)

Yeah its very similar chord progressions and similar tunings. IMHO the christian music industry is always 2 steps behind the secular world, so it  appears to be "a christian version" of such-and-such.

I really dont mean like folks are putting out a chrstian version of "baby hit me one more time" or anything but more like "hey man lets form a christian band and make it christian Slayer". *sigh*


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But that is far from a Christian music problem, that is a problem with popular music in general; any number of bands have been accused of being ripoffs of some other band, and countless more artists and bands essentially are as well.  I don't think this is any more a problem with Christian music than with music in general (at least popular music).
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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2012, 06:22:27 AM »
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Do you know who loves you mightily?

Do you know who loves you mightily?
Who watches over you day and night?
Who gives you abundantly,
To resist devil's power?

Do you know who gave you life?
Father, mother, a brother of yours?
And who illuminated you,
With a brilliant ray of His Spirit?

Do you know who died for us?
On Golgotha, do you know?
And who prepares,
The promised joys for you, do you know?

Do you know who loves you mightily?

You ought to know who does all that,
Who's the one that loves us so,
It is Lord from above,
It is Christ, Saviour for all!

So you too, oh, remember,
And give your heart to Him,
When you wrong Him, burst in tears,
And ask for forgiveness!

In the tear of repentance
Christ's shine shall glitter,
Put your trust in Him,
He shall open heaven to you!

Do you know who loves you mightily?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?
Ko te chuva dan i noch?
Ko ti daye izobilno,
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Znash li ko ti zhivot dao?
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Ko ti sprema znash li to?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Morash znati ko to chini,
Ko to tako lyubi nas,
To ye Gospod sa visine,
To ye Hristos, svima Spas!

Zato i ti, oh, seti se,
Pa mu svoye srce day,
Kad mu skrivish, zaplachi se,
I zamoli oproshtay!

U toj suzi pokajanja,
Zablistache Hristov syay,
Imay u Nyeg' pouzdanya,
Otvoriche tebi Ray!
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2012, 07:23:03 AM »
^ I think I have heard that one before.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2012, 06:18:51 PM »
Serbian band 357

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJBC4vtcA3I

Do you know who loves you mightily?

Do you know who loves you mightily?
Who watches over you day and night?
Who gives you abundantly,
To resist devil's power?

Do you know who gave you life?
Father, mother, a brother of yours?
And who illuminated you,
With a brilliant ray of His Spirit?

Do you know who died for us?
On Golgotha, do you know?
And who prepares,
The promised joys for you, do you know?

Do you know who loves you mightily?

You ought to know who does all that,
Who's the one that loves us so,
It is Lord from above,
It is Christ, Saviour for all!

So you too, oh, remember,
And give your heart to Him,
When you wrong Him, burst in tears,
And ask for forgiveness!

In the tear of repentance
Christ's shine shall glitter,
Put your trust in Him,
He shall open heaven to you!

Do you know who loves you mightily?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?
Ko te chuva dan i noch?
Ko ti daye izobilno,
Da odolish vragu moch?

Znash li ko ti zhivot dao?
Oca, mayku, brata tvog?
I ko te je obasyao,
Svetlim zrakom Duha svog?

Znahs li ko ye umro za nas?
Na Golgoti, znash li to?
I radosti obechane,
Ko ti sprema znash li to?

Znash li ko te lyubi silno?

Morash znati ko to chini,
Ko to tako lyubi nas,
To ye Gospod sa visine,
To ye Hristos, svima Spas!

Zato i ti, oh, seti se,
Pa mu svoye srce day,
Kad mu skrivish, zaplachi se,
I zamoli oproshtay!

U toj suzi pokajanja,
Zablistache Hristov syay,
Imay u Nyeg' pouzdanya,
Otvoriche tebi Ray!

Just listened to it now, but I gotta say I kinda like it.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2012, 08:50:01 PM »
I listen to 99% Phish.... The song "story of a ghost" quite theological :)

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« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2012, 10:24:01 PM »
But that is far from a Christian music problem, that is a problem with popular music in general; any number of bands have been accused of being ripoffs of some other band, and countless more artists and bands essentially are as well.  I don't think this is any more a problem with Christian music than with music in general (at least popular music).

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2012, 05:31:13 PM »
Just listened to it now, but I gotta say I kinda like it.

 :)

Serbian band Darkwood Dub
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I couldn't find translation in English. Title of the song is: Help us Christ.

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2012, 07:31:20 PM »
Ooo, techno. My wife likes that. I'm saying it's not bad too.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2012, 01:54:44 PM »
Ooo, techno. My wife likes that. I'm saying it's not bad too.

 :)

Serbian band Partibrejkers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Kosti%C4%87_%28musician%29)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rchCSZ5zqMk

Title of the song is: Whom Will I Praise?

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #64 on: October 03, 2012, 03:51:28 AM »
Serbian band Beogradski Sindikat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beogradski_Sindikat)

Most of them are devoted Christians who regularly attend Liturgy.
Only this 2 videos I find with english translations.
Because they were strongly oposed to ex pro-western president Tadic and support patriotic and Orthodox view on Serbian actual problems, they are de facto banned from most of Serbian media (because they are owned from West).

Niko ne može da zna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wzxWRmRjgU

Demokrate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8wR5uR0TKI (fragment)
"Democrats" are party of ex President Tadic.
"Borhan Tadici" is Boris Tadic name satiric misspelled in albanian way.

More lyrics in English:
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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2014, 09:46:28 AM »
A popular writer and singer of CCM worship songs, Vicky Beeching, came out as gay Wednesday in an interview with the U.K. newspaper The Independent.

“What Jesus taught was a radical message of welcome and inclusion and love,” said the 35-year-old Anglican, who recently left the Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) world to become a TV news commentator, but still makes a living from royalties when American churches sing her worship songs.
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Beeching, who sings the popular worship song “Glory to God Forever,"....studied theology at Oxford and went on to spend much of her 20s in the Christian music scene in the United States, living in Nashville and San Diego.
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Beeching still relies on royalties from her worship music to make a living, and she wrote in April that speaking out about LGBT rights is costing her. "As a result of raising my voice to support equal marriage, I’ve received lots of messages from conservative American churches saying they will 'boycott my songs.' If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop."
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
Are the two mutually exclusive?
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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2014, 11:30:31 AM »
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
People who still believe CCM has anything to do with "worship" are really having reality issues. Nobody should have to be told its not about worship. It's never been about that.

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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2014, 11:32:57 AM »
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Peddling religion as business and worship?  Yes, I would say Jesus flipping over tables and beating people with whips answered that question quite definitively...
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« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2014, 11:37:45 AM »
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
People who still believe CCM has anything to do with "worship" are really having reality issues. Nobody should have to be told its not about worship. It's never been about that.

PP
In my evangelical days, I remember hearing the artists from Audio Adrenaline (who was one of my favorite groups from the 90's) giving an interview and the interviewer asked them what their song meant. None of them could explain it.  Eventually, one of them mumbled something about it being more about the "feel" of the song than about what the song said. I knew then that I had taken a very wrong turn in my understanding of worship.
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In my evangelical days, I remember hearing the artists from Audio Adrenaline (who was one of my favorite groups from the 90's) giving an interview and the interviewer asked them what their song meant. None of them could explain it.  Eventually, one of them mumbled something about it being more about the "feel" of the song than about what the song said. I knew then that I had taken a very wrong turn in my understanding of worship
AA actually were pretty decent musicians.

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« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2014, 03:09:50 PM »
I still think the Odinists make the best commercial religious music.
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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2014, 04:42:55 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.

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« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2014, 12:56:29 AM »
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Peddling religion as business and worship?  Yes, I would say Jesus flipping over tables and beating people with whips answered that question quite definitively...
Right because we don't pay our Priests, some churches don't have professional choirs, monasteries have never sold any thing, and all your icons were free.
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« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2014, 01:06:12 AM »
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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I find her honesty strangely refreshing. She openly recognizes that it is a business unlike the majority of CCM artists who still like to pretend that they are "worshipping".
People who still believe CCM has anything to do with "worship" are really having reality issues. Nobody should have to be told its not about worship. It's never been about that.

PP
For some, no. Perhaps for many no, but I know that some do Glenn Kaiser from Resurrection Band comes to mind for example, and I have a notion that he would vouch for some people too. Though he may agree with you on others. I don't know about the younger crop of musicians, but back in the day I spent a good deal of time doing stage crew work and security for a variety of Christian acts and I got the definite impression that quite a few  of them were sincere.
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2014, 01:24:31 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)
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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2014, 11:17:46 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)

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« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2014, 12:44:07 PM »
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If they don’t get sung in the mega-churches of North America, my royalties basically stop.
boo hoo.

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You've never responded to my post some time ago pointing out that as much as you talk about people needing to grow up and take responsibility, whatever that means, you often use both the form and content of argument excepted of someone in their adolescence when being mean-spirited.

Why is that?
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« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2014, 01:48:22 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)

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Re: Thoughts on Contemporary Christian Music
« Reply #81 on: August 25, 2014, 12:50:40 PM »
I still think the Odinists make the best commercial religious music.

They have their own clunkers too: http://youtu.be/8PKmR0yjcKQ
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« Reply #82 on: August 25, 2014, 12:57:39 PM »
We had these in the old country...
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« Reply #83 on: August 25, 2014, 01:02:15 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)

Whatever floats your boat.  Mine sank.

Yes, it's the worst thing ever created.
I am reluctant to be too critical of something that someone put so much heart and soul into, but that really hurt my ears.
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« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2014, 01:08:24 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8_zWvTeyY&feature=related

I cannot recommend this contemporary Orthodox Music song more strongly. It's a passionate story of conversion and the deepest change. Just as good as Byzantine chant; no contest.
That was very nice.  :)

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« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2014, 05:31:47 AM »
That's pretty bad too.
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