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"Catholic vs Christian"
« on: May 01, 2012, 03:08:34 PM »
During my college tenure, I visited a Christian forum for college-aged students. It was funded by the SBC. One year the most discussed topic was "Catholic vs Christian".  This OC.net thread reminded me of that old discussion. Despite being raised around Protestants my whole life, I'll never understand the logic that Protestant Evangelicals/Baptists, etc are "Christian" (which means Evangelical or, more broadly, non-Catholic) and that Catholics are not Christian. Orthodox obviously have problems with Catholic innovations, but what's up with Protestant audacity to make such statements? Of course, I've always believed that Evangelicals, and most of Protestantism in general, has gone off the deep end in recent years (Example A).

I'm do feel a need to defend Catholicism in those instances. Catholics, after all, are our wayward brother. We are our brother's keeper.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 03:13:52 PM »
You pick avatars well. There once was a poster with the name Acolyte who used that avatar. Acolyte was none other than the banned Matthew777 under a new name. He was banned because his gloriosity of thought outshined everyone, and the mods and admins became jealous of him. They banished him to the outer interwebs, to scrape by on meager theological table scraps from the other Orthodox web forums (which are named after trivial things like food you'd get at a ballpark). Can you fill Matthew's shoes? :)
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 03:15:05 PM »
I never heard of this "Catholics are not Christian" stuff until I worked with Hispanic Catholics. That's what I found weirdest about it, Catholics insisting that its different from "Christian" by which they really meant Protestant.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 03:16:49 PM »
Oh geez I just looked at that link... [Removed really mean stuff]
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 03:23:54 PM »
Quote from: Jason.Wike on May 01, 2012, 03:15:05 PM
I never heard of this "Catholics are not Christian" stuff until I worked with Hispanic Catholics. That's what I found weirdest about it, Catholics insisting that its different from "Christian" by which they really meant Protestant.
Very true, it does go both ways in some cases.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 03:36:21 PM »
It was a common thought in the Evangelical circles in which I was raised that Catholics are Catholics, and not Christians.

The idea is that Catholicism has distorted the true meaning of Christianity so much, by its additions and accretions that it is no longer recongizable Christianity, as the Evangelicals understand it to mean. (Note it is also common to lump Orthodox and Catholic together as "Catholic" with a different flavor, i.e. non-Christian people of different stripes)

edit: This understanding as I have described was perpetuated en masse through Jack Chick tracts in the 80's and 90's (perhaps still are today).
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 04:15:38 PM »
Whenever I run into a Catholic who doesn't think that Catholics are supposed to call themselves Christians, I ask them what RCIA stands for.
I also ask, "What does the word 'Christian' mean?"
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 04:29:15 PM »
Quote from: Ortho_cat on May 01, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
edit: This understanding as I have described was perpetuated en masse through Jack Chick tracts in the 80's and 90's (perhaps still are today).

You'd be right. Link

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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 04:38:38 PM »
I always got a laugh - and a shudder - when I found a Chick track at the laundromat or a public phone case. Because those are the places you go for great theological reading.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 04:41:04 PM »
Quote from: biro on May 01, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
I always got a laugh - and a shudder - when I found a Chick track at the laundromat or a public phone case. Because those are the places you go for great theological reading.

add bus station rest rooms to the list....
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 04:45:35 PM »
Clearly it is because Catholics are damned to Hell for having no faith in Jesus and instead worshiping Mary while they engage in their magical superstitions.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 04:54:45 PM »
Quote from: JamesRottnek on May 01, 2012, 04:45:35 PM
Clearly it is because Catholics are damned to Hell for having no faith in Jesus and instead worshiping Mary while they engage in their magical superstitions.

you must have read the chick tract!  ::)
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 05:02:32 PM »
I'm pretty sure that the argumentation in tracts like the Death Cookie one are air tight...
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 05:10:11 PM »
*Sigh* this irritates me so much. I was constantly surrounded by this attitude when I was a Protestant. You have the constant questions, articles and comments like 'Are Catholics Christians?' or there is a difference between Christianity and Catholicism. Pure BS. As if some Evangelical/Protestants actually know what a Christian is and are in any position to accuse. First remove the log from their own eyes before they start to pick at the speck in the Roman Catholic Church's eyes. Protestants are the most intolerant of all forms of Christianity. I hate seeing them pick on Roman Catholics the way they do; even though the Eastern Orthodox Church has problems with the Roman Catholic Church, I still do not like Protestants bashing Roman Catholics; only we can do that. The Roman Catholic Church is like our little rebellious brother trying to make it on his own; he may have his many faults and mistakes, but if anyone is going to point them out, discipline and scold him, it is going to be us, not some random stranger.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2012, 10:53:51 PM »
Quote from: Jason.Wike on May 01, 2012, 03:15:05 PM
I never heard of this "Catholics are not Christian" stuff until I worked with Hispanic Catholics. That's what I found weirdest about it, Catholics insisting that its different from "Christian" by which they really meant Protestant.

Funny,  my wife is Hispanic and Roman Catholic and she said the same thing years ago.  She was Catholic and not Christian........... ???

Thank goodness she doesn't have that viewpoint anymore
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2012, 12:49:08 AM »
My wife grew up Roman Catholic and in the area she was from that was the Catholic position, not the Protestant position as far as I could tell, in that area anyway.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2012, 01:39:46 AM »
Quote from: NMHS on May 02, 2012, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: Jason.Wike on May 01, 2012, 03:15:05 PM
I never heard of this "Catholics are not Christian" stuff until I worked with Hispanic Catholics. That's what I found weirdest about it, Catholics insisting that its different from "Christian" by which they really meant Protestant.

Funny,  my wife is Hispanic and Roman Catholic and she said the same thing years ago.  She was Catholic and not Christian........... ???

Thank goodness she doesn't have that viewpoint anymore
It's kind of a joke. If someone asks me if I am a Christian, I always say: No, I'm a Catholic.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 03:49:06 AM »
Quote from: NMHS on May 02, 2012, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: Jason.Wike on May 01, 2012, 03:15:05 PM
I never heard of this "Catholics are not Christian" stuff until I worked with Hispanic Catholics. That's what I found weirdest about it, Catholics insisting that its different from "Christian" by which they really meant Protestant.

Funny,  my wife is Hispanic and Roman Catholic and she said the same thing years ago.  She was Catholic and not Christian........... ???

Thank goodness she doesn't have that viewpoint anymore

I heard exactly the same thing from a Romanian colleague in my time doing charity work out there. She said to me 'You're not a Christian are you?' and seemed to think she wasn't because she was an RC. On further interrogation it turned out that she was using the English word Christian in much the same way as we'd use Protestant (only more so - she really meant Pentecostals, Seventh Day Adventists, JWs etc. - pocaiti would be how the Romanians would refer to them) At the time I was Protestant but not one of them so I found it decidedly odd.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 12:56:29 PM »
Quote from: JamesR on May 01, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
As if some Evangelical/Protestants actually know what a Christian is and are in any position to accuse. First remove the log from their own eyes before they start to pick at the speck in the Roman Catholic Church's eyes. Protestants are the most intolerant of all forms of Christianity.

We should also be careful not to lump all the Protestants together. LCMS/WELS Lutherans have a favorable attitude towards both Orthodox and Catholics. Because my dad is LCMS and I attended an LCMS university, the general opinion of Catholicism is that it has done a good job keeping the faith intact, but allowed terrible abuses and extra-biblical teachings to dilute it. The same attitude is shared on Orthodoxy, except without the abuses. Otherwise I agree with you.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 03:52:44 PM »
Quote from: Asteriktos on May 01, 2012, 03:13:52 PM
You pick avatars well. There once was a poster with the name Acolyte who used that avatar. Acolyte was none other than the banned Matthew777 under a new name. He was banned because his gloriosity of thought outshined everyone, and the mods and admins became jealous of him. They banished him to the outer interwebs, to scrape by on meager theological table scraps from the other Orthodox web forums (which are named after trivial things like food you'd get at a ballpark). Can you fill Matthew's shoes? :)

Ah, good ol' Matthew777--I recall having some fun "discussions" on this message board with him a few years ago.  8)
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2012, 01:16:17 PM »
I have been taught to stand arm in arm next to all who proclaim Jesus Christ as the Son of God, accept the Trinity, the Apostle and Nicene Creed as a brother or sister in Christ. This despite any differences we have regardless of how significant.

Personally, I believe that no one should turn away from Truth as has been revealed to them, to which we are to offer such truth to others as God commands, yet, without judgment of those that seek God in a different way from our own.

I have heard many great jokes, the most recent one on this site, and am aware of the differences between Catholic and ‘Protestants’. I have never heard anyone (to me personally) accuse them of not being Christian. I am well aware of the hateful things that are said and done amongst many though, and well, hate and judgment is not exactly what we all strive for is it.

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2012, 01:49:55 PM »
I think part of the reason that you have Catholics drawing a distinction between "Catholic" and "Christian" is that Protestants don't typically refer to themselves as "Protestant." When asked what religion they belong to, a Protestant will likely say that they are Christian, but a Catholic will say that they are Catholic. Also, in my experience it is rare for Protestants to know what beliefs and teachings belong specifically to their particular denomination, so they tend to label all of their beliefs as "Christian." Catholics, on the other hand, tend to label things from the Catechism and Magisterium as specifically "Catholic" beliefs as opposed to broadly saying they are "Christian" teachings. I think that type of labeling puts a lot of Catholics in the mindset that Catholic is one thing and Christian is something else.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2012, 04:31:16 PM »
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I'm pretty sure that the argumentation in tracts like the Death Cookie one are air tight...
that tract was hilarious. Thank you for that.

The Catholics are not Christians thing is really prevalent here in the Falwell Empire. It spreads to Orthodox, Anglicans, or anyone that does not share the magical prayer mentality.

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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2012, 07:57:38 AM »
It seems merely an attempt to de legitimise Catholicism and I'm sure they would if they knew of orthodoxy say the same thing. What I think is disturbing is that this attitude has permaeted culture and people do it innocently not knowing what they are saying.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2012, 10:16:13 AM »
The whole "Are Catholics Christians" discussion is was helped me discover Orthodoxy.  Growing up Protestant, I always heard this nonsense too.  I started looking up the answers for myself.  I found out that they arent nearly as bad as my Protestant friends made them out to me.  Turns out, they dont worship Mary! Or the Pope!!

After I started reading about that, I naturally started inquiring more about the history of the Church.  And eventually I found Orthodoxy.  After studying a little Church history, these "weird" and "heretical" things that Catholics (even Orthodox) do really arent so strange after all....

This picture is simply amazing....




So bizarre.

And although there are a few things about the RC I dont quite agree with, I still feel the need to defend them when theyre attacked by Protestants, especially these modern ones who really have no idea what theyre talking about.  Why do Protestants think we have to explain everything we do to them?  Arent they the ones who should be explaining themselves to us??

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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2012, 11:04:50 AM »
So the bible never mentions monks huh? The Bible never mentions men who voluntarily retreat from society, preaching the kingdom of god, living a spiritual life in the wilderness, living as an asetic? Really?

So John The Baptist is just a figment of our imaginations then......

Also, I guess the apostles ran around ordaining presbyters for fun and to "see new places"....ugh, Chick is a moron. Plain and simple.

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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2012, 11:35:17 AM »
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:04:50 AM
So the bible never mentions monks huh? The Bible never mentions men who voluntarily retreat from society, preaching the kingdom of god, living a spiritual life in the wilderness, living as an asetic? Really?

So John The Baptist is just a figment of our imaginations then......

Also, I guess the apostles ran around ordaining presbyters for fun and to "see new places"....ugh, Chick is a moron. Plain and simple.

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Na dude.  All that stuff was just made up by the RC church to "impress its followers."
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2012, 11:36:02 AM »
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:04:50 AM
So the bible never mentions monks huh? The Bible never mentions men who voluntarily retreat from society, preaching the kingdom of god, living a spiritual life in the wilderness, living as an asetic? Really?

So John The Baptist is just a figment of our imaginations then......

Also, I guess the apostles ran around ordaining presbyters for fun and to "see new places"....ugh, Chick is a moron. Plain and simple.

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Na dude.  All that stuff was just made up by the RC church to "impress its followers."
Ah, of course...of course.....how foolish of me.

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM »
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 



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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM »
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2012, 11:59:46 AM »
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

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That must also be why they hardly ever take communion.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2012, 12:04:45 PM »
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

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That must also be why they hardly ever take communion.

ZING!!  :laugh: :laugh:
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2012, 12:32:35 PM »
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

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That must also be why they hardly ever take communion.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2012, 12:41:09 PM »
Quote from: Asteriktos on May 01, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that the argumentation in tracts like the Death Cookie one are air tight...
HA! One of my favorites. That along with the Jack Chick tract on Dungeons and Dragons: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP
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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2012, 12:49:58 PM »
Quote from: Papist on May 09, 2012, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: Asteriktos on May 01, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that the argumentation in tracts like the Death Cookie one are air tight...
HA! One of my favorites. That along with the Jack Chick tract on Dungeons and Dragons: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP
As a DM I can say that is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Everyone knows our secret cabal wears white robes...sheesh....

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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2012, 12:57:04 PM »
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: Papist on May 09, 2012, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: Asteriktos on May 01, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that the argumentation in tracts like the Death Cookie one are air tight...
HA! One of my favorites. That along with the Jack Chick tract on Dungeons and Dragons: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP
As a DM I can say that is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Everyone knows our secret cabal wears white robes...sheesh....

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My group of friends who played D and D loved to pull out this tract from time to time. We imagined the uber-uber-dork who might take it this seriously, but knew of no one like that.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2012, 12:59:35 PM »
Quote from: Papist on May 09, 2012, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: Asteriktos on May 01, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that the argumentation in tracts like the Death Cookie one are air tight...
HA! One of my favorites. That along with the Jack Chick tract on Dungeons and Dragons: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP

wow. both of these are powerful.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2012, 01:14:02 PM »
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

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They certainly have to like cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2012, 01:19:43 PM »
Quote from: PeterTheAleut on May 09, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

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They certainly have to like cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
Didn't you read the posts about the Chick Tracts? They hate cookies!!!
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2012, 01:21:17 PM »
Quote from: PeterTheAleut on May 09, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

PP
They certainly have to like cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
They call them baked treats :)

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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2012, 02:52:01 PM »
Quote from: Papist on May 09, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: PeterTheAleut on May 09, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

PP
They certainly have to like cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
Didn't you read the posts about the Chick Tracts? They hate cookies!!!
According to Chick, Catholics are not Christians and will not be saved, unless they repent and become Protestant. He has several publications on this theme.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2012, 02:56:14 PM »
Quote from: stanley123 on May 09, 2012, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: Papist on May 09, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: PeterTheAleut on May 09, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

PP
They certainly have to like cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
Didn't you read the posts about the Chick Tracts? They hate cookies!!!
According to Chick, Catholics are not Christians and will not be saved, unless they repent and become Protestant. He has several publications on this theme.

Fortunately for you, the Christian-comic-book guy's opinion doesnt matter very much.
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2012, 03:37:32 PM »
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: stanley123 on May 09, 2012, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: Papist on May 09, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: PeterTheAleut on May 09, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: primuspilus on May 09, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: Timon on May 09, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
One thing that seems consistent is that protestants really hate candles.  I was at a baptist church and they were knocking Catholics for lighting candles.  I dont get it. 
Its because of the C....

Baptists dont like the letter C....Catholics, Candles, Communists, Clinton......see?

PP
They certainly have to like cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
Didn't you read the posts about the Chick Tracts? They hate cookies!!!
According to Chick, Catholics are not Christians and will not be saved, unless they repent and become Protestant. He has several publications on this theme.

Fortunately for you, the Christian-comic-book guy's opinion doesnt matter very much.
True. See the Nightmare world of Jack T. Chick:
http://www.catholic.com/documents/the-nightmare-world-of-jack-t-chick
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2012, 05:57:59 PM »
Quote from: Luckster on May 01, 2012, 03:08:34 PM
Orthodox obviously have problems with Catholic innovations, but what's up with Protestant audacity to make such statements?

"Innovations" is a loaded word, but Orthodox obviously have problems with Catholic teachings. Why is it surprising that Protestants do too?
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Re: "Catholic vs Christian"
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2012, 05:58:56 PM »
Quote from: NMHS on May 02, 2012, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: Jason.Wike on May 01, 2012, 03:15:05 PM
I never heard of this "Catholics are not Christian" stuff until I worked with Hispanic Catholics. That's what I found weirdest about it, Catholics insisting that its different from "Christian" by which they really meant Protestant.

Funny,  my wife is Hispanic and Roman Catholic and she said the same thing years ago.  She was Catholic and not Christian........... ???

Thank goodness she doesn't have that viewpoint anymore

I suspect that this wasn't much of an issue until Vatican II said things like "those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian". Before that, Catholics presumably had no problem calling themselves "Christian" since they could say that Orthodox and Protestants were non-Christian or questionably-Christian.
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