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« on: April 30, 2012, 09:00:28 PM »

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/30/BARP1OB3JE.DTL

This poor fellow whom I used to attend school with was murdered on saturday night by some kid with a sword. Gunshots broke out, there was fighting, girls crying, violence etc. Just a party went wrong. Ironically, my mother pulled me out of this school a few months ago because she said it was dangerous. Anyway, it got me wondering, why are teenagers so stupid? Are they actually thinking when these fights are going on? That, the second they pull that gun out of their pocket and pull the trigger that they could be facing life behind bars forever and lose their entire life? Or, the second you murder that poor kid with your blade that you are going to go to jail forever or be sent to live in a mental asylum? Seriously, think of the consequences. Do they even think of these things? Or do they only think of impressing their dumb friends at the moment or looking tough? Bragging rights I guess. But are bragging rights worth life in prison? So, why do teenagers do stupid things? The youth has really gone down the toilet in this day and age. Whenever these stupid events come up that could lead to a fight, I always back down and remind myself that I am at least smarter than them and will be rich one day while they are thugs for eternity in and out of jail. Also, I cannot help but feel a bit partially responsible for this. The ironic thing is, this murder happened on the night before Liturgy, when I decided to miss it. You do not think that this happned as punishment because I missed Liturgy do you?
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 09:07:09 PM »

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/30/BARP1OB3JE.DTL

This poor fellow whom I used to attend school with was murdered on saturday night by some kid with a sword. Gunshots broke out, there was fighting, girls crying, violence etc. Just a party went wrong. Ironically, my mother pulled me out of this school a few months ago because she said it was dangerous. Anyway, it got me wondering, why are teenagers so stupid? Are they actually thinking when these fights are going on? That, the second they pull that gun out of their pocket and pull the trigger that they could be facing life behind bars forever and lose their entire life? Or, the second you murder that poor kid with your blade that you are going to go to jail forever or be sent to live in a mental asylum? Seriously, think of the consequences. Do they even think of these things? Or do they only think of impressing their dumb friends at the moment or looking tough? Bragging rights I guess. But are bragging rights worth life in prison? So, why do teenagers do stupid things? The youth has really gone down the toilet in this day and age. Whenever these stupid events come up that could lead to a fight, I always back down and remind myself that I am at least smarter than them and will be rich one day while they are thugs for eternity in and out of jail. Also, I cannot help but feel a bit partially responsible for this. The ironic thing is, this murder happened on the night before Liturgy, when I decided to miss it. You do not think that this happned as punishment because I missed Liturgy do you?
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 09:20:32 PM »

I'm so sorry, James.  I'm not sure that teenagers hold a special claim to stupidity.  The claim is held by all of humanity.  Please don't believe this horrible event was somehow related to you not going to Liturgy.  All humanity has contributed to it in some sense I suppose...  We should all pray for forgiveness of the ways we have fed the insanity of the world and pray that we become vehicles of grace and love.  But please, please don't look for direct correlations where there are none.  Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 09:35:25 PM »

My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 09:40:28 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Whenever these stupid events come up that could lead to a fight, I always back down and remind myself that I am at least smarter than them and will be rich one day while they are thugs for eternity in and out of jail.

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Or, the second you murder that poor kid with your blade that you are going to go to jail forever or be sent to live in a mental asylum? Seriously, think of the consequences. Do they even think of these things? Or do they only think of impressing their dumb friends at the moment or looking tough? Bragging rights I guess. But are bragging rights worth life in prison? So, why do teenagers do stupid things?


A) Teenagers are not really all that stupid, trust me.

B) I can't speak too much about this particular incident, I was not there, but in regards to fight-or-flight reactions in potentially life-or-death moments, I would say your crass opinions here are almost naively condescending.  It may be easy in hindsight to criticise, but what if it were you potentially fighting for your literal survival? In that moment, life is more complicated then it seems outside looking in.  I don't support violence, I am a Christian and prefer to resort to prayer beads instead of violence, but I have also been in some sticky situations in my life in the past, and so at the least I can empathize and understand such survival modes.  

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 09:40:44 PM »

My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
Yet none of these things has anything to do with the OP's link. Saying "its too many movies and games", what does that solve? Nothing.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 09:45:01 PM »

It's the nature of inexperience.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 09:45:51 PM »

Might I add, just for the record, I know a few people who belong in all 4 of those categories who are nothing but upstanding caring individuals who would not even remotely consider actions such as the one linked in the OP.

Now as far as my opinion, which is unreleated and disconnected to this story, about society watching too much TV and playing games? I agree. However I would never link both to this story. You can't conclusively prove either or can be the cause.

Broken families? Sure some people come out of bad and some don't. You have to look at it case by case. Not every broken home is going to produce a criminal.

Lost faith? I say the faith being lost happens in college and later in life when suffering becomes much more real and imminent. But no faith in the household? Again it all depends upon what kind of family values are in place. Do I think American homes of today lack tradiotional family values? Of course and it explains a rapidly decline in marriage and community involvement and a rise in narcissism and selfishness.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 10:07:25 PM »

You do not think that this happned as punishment because I missed Liturgy do you?
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2012, 10:10:23 PM »

You do not think that this happned as punishment because I missed Liturgy do you?
No.
If James had that much impact I might be asking him for a few favors...
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2012, 10:17:43 PM »

My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
Yet none of these things has anything to do with the OP's link. Saying "its too many movies and games", what does that solve? Nothing.

Too much of anything is bad for you.  I believe when a child is subjected for a good part of their upbringing to fantasy worlds of movies, which often depict sex and violence, that often we'll reap what we sew.   Sew the seeds of hatred, violence, sexual misconduct, and there will be those who act upon it.

In the case of the OP, he asked "Why are teenagers so stupid".  This is my opinion why.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2012, 10:26:54 PM »

The only issue I have with that, is you seem to apply that to everyone. I grew up playing too much video games and watching alot of TV. Granted now I hardly do either, but it never caused my upbringing to falter because of that. I am pretty self-aware of my faults and problems, but none of that is correlated to TV and Video Games.

However I will divulge that I do think kids need structure and a healthy balance in terms of recreational activity. A little bit of video games here, a little bit of playing outside there, reading a little bit here, etc.

I do think we share the same family values and how we want to raise children, or in your case have, but I'm just careful not pointing the finger at certain types of media as a cause.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2012, 10:29:02 PM »

You do not think that this happned as punishment because I missed Liturgy do you?

Why would God kill someone else because you missed liturgy? To the extent that teenagers are any stupider than the average run of humanity, thinking they are the center of the universe is probably the biggest reason.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2012, 10:29:53 PM »

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/30/BARP1OB3JE.DTL

This poor fellow whom I used to attend school with was murdered on saturday night by some kid with a sword. Gunshots broke out, there was fighting, girls crying, violence etc. Just a party went wrong. Ironically, my mother pulled me out of this school a few months ago because she said it was dangerous. Anyway, it got me wondering, why are teenagers so stupid? Are they actually thinking when these fights are going on? That, the second they pull that gun out of their pocket and pull the trigger that they could be facing life behind bars forever and lose their entire life? Or, the second you murder that poor kid with your blade that you are going to go to jail forever or be sent to live in a mental asylum? Seriously, think of the consequences. Do they even think of these things? Or do they only think of impressing their dumb friends at the moment or looking tough? Bragging rights I guess. But are bragging rights worth life in prison? So, why do teenagers do stupid things? The youth has really gone down the toilet in this day and age. Whenever these stupid events come up that could lead to a fight, I always back down and remind myself that I am at least smarter than them and will be rich one day while they are thugs for eternity in and out of jail. Also, I cannot help but feel a bit partially responsible for this. The ironic thing is, this murder happened on the night before Liturgy, when I decided to miss it. You do not think that this happned as punishment because I missed Liturgy do you?

My dear boy, if God worked like that, He'd be Satan.

Scientifically, the human brain does not fully develop its reasoning capabilities until about the age 25. This explains some of the disregard for consequences. Spiritually, young people are not raised even to know right from wrong, and their consciences have been lulled to sleep by entertainments. Where is the sacrificial love? Where is the service? Where is the desire for truth? I see that you and others your age on the forum have this since you are here and you ask questions and you struggle mightily. (Don't give up, by the way! Don't ever give up.)

Pray for these poor young people, and God will have mercy on them and enlighten their hearts and minds. When we pray with pain of heart, God uses this as an excuse to intervene because He sees there is love there. Some people treat prayer as a garnish, but it is the substance of our spiritual life, the meat and drink--more essential than breathing, more effective than 100 lectures, more illuminating than books, more binding than chains.

May God grant Osana rest with the saints and forgiveness of sins. And may He grant mercy and help to the one that killed him and all the rest. Lord have mercy on us.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 10:35:17 PM »

You do not think that this happned as punishment because I missed Liturgy do you?

Why would God kill someone else because you missed liturgy? To the extent that teenagers are any stupider than the average run of humanity, thinking they are the center of the universe is probably the biggest reason.
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No. I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out point blankly but this is a ridiculous question, no offense. Its akin to hubris but worse... If you ever wonder anything like that again the answer is "NO."
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 12:31:28 AM »

They're not mature enough yet to function successfully in the adult world, and they don't have enough experience yet of the adult world to be content to continue living as children because they think they're beyond that.

And if God killed someone every time someone else missed liturgy, there'd be nobody left to go to liturgy anymore. Then who would God kill?
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 03:24:30 AM »

I think the main difference between someone that is 18 and someone that is 26 is not intelligence but experience (the older person probably also has accumulated more knowledge as well, but that doesn't play as big a role in this type of situation IMO). Life experience tends to temper impulsivity in most people.
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I think the main difference between someone that is 18 and someone that is 26 is not intelligence but experience (the older person probably also has accumulated more knowledge as well, but that doesn't play as big a role in this type of situation IMO). Life experience tends to temper impulsivity in most people.
I'd agree with this. The perspective gained by experience is a big difference between those ages, and even at 22, I can look back upon my teenage years, especially the early and mid ones, and realize the naive or stupid things I did that I wouldn't do now.

Or as Rod Stewart might put it:

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2012, 12:21:30 PM »

Yes, teenagers are stupid, but we have to keep in mind that their brains are not fully developed yet.
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 04:45:35 PM »

Yes, teenagers are stupid, but we have to keep in mind that their brains are not fully developed yet.


And old people are stupid too, because theirs have deteriorated.
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I think the main difference between someone that is 18 and someone that is 26 is not intelligence but experience (the older person probably also has accumulated more knowledge as well, but that doesn't play as big a role in this type of situation IMO). Life experience tends to temper impulsivity in most people.
I'd agree with this. The perspective gained by experience is a big difference between those ages, and even at 22, I can look back upon my teenage years, especially the early and mid ones, and realize the naive or stupid things I did that I wouldn't do now.

Or as Rod Stewart might put it:

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I wish that I knew what I know now
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 09:16:55 PM »

Without the forgivable stupidities of teenagers the unpardonable stupidities of politicians and marketers would come to a screeching halt.

 
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 10:14:10 PM »

The only issue I have with that, is you seem to apply that to everyone. I grew up playing too much video games and watching alot of TV. Granted now I hardly do either, but it never caused my upbringing to falter because of that. I am pretty self-aware of my faults and problems, but none of that is correlated to TV and Video Games.

However I will divulge that I do think kids need structure and a healthy balance in terms of recreational activity. A little bit of video games here, a little bit of playing outside there, reading a little bit here, etc.

I do think we share the same family values and how we want to raise children, or in your case have, but I'm just careful not pointing the finger at certain types of media as a cause.

I do believe that there are very few movies suitable for a family.  I check every movie on a web site called dove.org, which will literally break down every single incident that could be considered "immoral".  I mean they'll even give you cuss word counts on minor cuss words like but*, cra*, and hel*... etc.   (I slightly censored because I'm not sure if I can spell the word out on the forum)

Anyway, after looking at the most seemingly "innocent" movies, they actually all practically contained sever shrewed words at the least.  In entire days at my home, I never hear any of these words, so my wife and I decided - when we put God first in our homes, we lock the world out of our home, so why let the "winds of the world" blow through our house?  We wouldn't allow those words to be spoken by any member of our home, so why would we let the "invited guest" say them.  (Here's a great short story called "The Invited Guest" http://www.sugardoodle.net/Television/The%20invited%20guest.shtml)

You'd be surprised... Just check out some movies on the dove.org site, and its pretty straight forward.  There's other forms of objectionable content as well, such as cleavage and disrespect towards parents cited.

The same generally goes for video games, filled with magic, violence, and other objectionable content.

No, its not everything (well with TV it practically is), but I do believe that the "stupidity" the OP was talking about was why do they do such horrible and stupid things without thinking etc.  I believe they have filled their minds with poison, and often have anti social problems because of it.

Don't get me wrong either, I wore out the old 8 bit nintendos and Atari 2600 systems... But they weren't as real, time consuming, nor the games as sick.

I think I've told this story here before, but if I haven't, on my daughter's 13th birthday (she's still 13), I cornered her.  I said "________, okay you are 13 years old now, and I've never heard  you once say a bad word.   Do you even know any bad words?"   She said while looking down and glum, "Yes I do know a bad word".   I say "well I want  you to tell me what it is that you know, and where you learned it".  She said very shyly and under her voice "fart". 

She learned it from me because I played pull my finger with my 3 year old and later told my wife about it and told here how I was dead accurate on the fart...

But anyway, I really love to keep the children "innocent", and away from the "winds of the world".  Later as rational adults, with the full understanding (including in abstract) what sin is, they'll learn plenty from this world needing healing.   I just hope everything I can teach them will stick, and they will have a "the armor of God".
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2012, 01:14:06 PM »

Yes, teenagers are stupid, but we have to keep in mind that their brains are not fully developed yet.


And old people are stupid too, because theirs have deteriorated.
While it is true, that some older people develop slower abilities to process and calculate information, many of them make up for this in wisdom. I can think of several oler people I have known whose mental capabilities have deteriorated, but whose wisdom remains.
In the case of teenagers, no matter how mature they generally are, I am always suprised about how insane some of their thinking is. This is not meant to be an insult. It's ok that teenagers have not fully developed their cognitive abilities. That is simply where they are in life. This is why we should not be so quick to judge when they do ridiculous things.

NOTE: As a high school teacher, if I did not believe this, I would be constantly frustrated. However, when I can say, it's ok, their brains have not yet finished developing, I am able to be much more patient with them. In fact, most of the high school teachers I know feel the same way.
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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

their brains have not yet finished developing, I am able to be much more patient with them. In fact, most of the high school teachers I know feel the same way.
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It goes both ways.  The older, fully developed brain inherently takes less risks and therefore has less experience and then gains less wisdom.  The very "wisdom" which grown folks posses is the culmination of a lifetime of mistakes, bad decisions, accidents, tragedies, adventures, experiments, etc etc.  When folks are young, they take adventurous risks and learn from the experience.  The impetuousness of youth allows for certain opportunities which more grown folks tend to reject. It is no coincidence that at the teenage years of 17,18,19 stepping up that most people begin to truly discover the depths of their faith.  They are learning about God from their new experiences.  They are gaining faith through the joy of discovery and the trials of adversity.  It is further not a coincidence that older folks tend to have less epiphany moments in regards to their faith, as we tend to take a smoother course which offers less faith building risk.

 Of course, grown folks only tend to reject these because as youths they already had been there, done that.  So we realistically can't discredit one over the other.  If we all had the willingness to experiment and take risks like kids we just might enjoy our lives a bit more, and if kids had a bit more of the foresight gained from the wisdom of experience.  It is then mixed..

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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

their brains have not yet finished developing, I am able to be much more patient with them. In fact, most of the high school teachers I know feel the same way.
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It goes both ways.  The older, fully developed brain inherently takes less risks and therefore has less experience and then gains less wisdom.  The very "wisdom" which grown folks posses is the culmination of a lifetime of mistakes, bad decisions, accidents, tragedies, adventures, experiments, etc etc.  When folks are young, they take adventurous risks and learn from the experience.  The impetuousness of youth allows for certain opportunities which more grown folks tend to reject. It is no coincidence that at the teenage years of 17,18,19 stepping up that most people begin to truly discover the depths of their faith.  They are learning about God from their new experiences.  They are gaining faith through the joy of discovery and the trials of adversity.  It is further not a coincidence that older folks tend to have less epiphany moments in regards to their faith, as we tend to take a smoother course which offers less faith building risk.

 Of course, grown folks only tend to reject these because as youths they already had been there, done that.  So we realistically can't discredit one over the other.  If we all had the willingness to experiment and take risks like kids we just might enjoy our lives a bit more, and if kids had a bit more of the foresight gained from the wisdom of experience.  It is then mixed..

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My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
I agree with your analysis. However, not all teenagers are stupid. There are many idealistic, decent, bright  teenagers of high moral character.
Who are the really stupid ones today? I can point to many examples. For one, who is behind all of these wars that America has gotten itself into. How many innocent  people have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? While American cities and states are going broke, the US sees nothing wrong with wasting  billions of dollars overseas.
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2012, 02:41:35 PM »

My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
I agree with your analysis. However, not all teenagers are stupid. There are many idealistic, decent, bright  teenagers of high moral character.
Who are the really stupid ones today? I can point to many examples. For one, who is behind all of these wars that America has gotten itself into. How many innocent  people have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? While American cities and states are going broke, the US sees nothing wrong with wasting  billions of dollars overseas.
http://costofwar.com/en/
Even bright students often can't deal with subjectivity. Though I agree, some teenagers are definitely better than others. My view of them is definitely colored by the fact that I teach credit recovery courses.
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My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
I agree with your analysis. However, not all teenagers are stupid. There are many idealistic, decent, bright  teenagers of high moral character.
Who are the really stupid ones today? I can point to many examples. For one, who is behind all of these wars that America has gotten itself into. How many innocent  people have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? While American cities and states are going broke, the US sees nothing wrong with wasting  billions of dollars overseas.
http://costofwar.com/en/
Even bright students often can't deal with subjectivity. Though I agree, some teenagers are definitely better than others. My view of them is definitely colored by the fact that I teach credit recovery courses.
In statistics courses, when making inferences about the population,  they recommend that we avoid biased samples.
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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior jesus Christ!

My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
I agree with your analysis. However, not all teenagers are stupid. There are many idealistic, decent, bright  teenagers of high moral character.


As a teacher, I believe and notice ALL teenagers are not stupid, and they are all idealistic, decent, an bright and mostly with high moral character.  That is why it is MY job to find it, accentuate it, and help it grow, expand, progress, and develop.  ALL kids are smart, all kids have heart, all kids have empathy.  The question is where do they apply themselves? What is their interests? What is their attention span? If you can make things interesting and applicable, even the "stupidest" kids will amaze you at their abilities when they focus, hence why there is simply no such thing as stupid in the first place Wink

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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2012, 03:20:47 PM »

My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
I agree with your analysis. However, not all teenagers are stupid. There are many idealistic, decent, bright  teenagers of high moral character.
Who are the really stupid ones today? I can point to many examples. For one, who is behind all of these wars that America has gotten itself into. How many innocent  people have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? While American cities and states are going broke, the US sees nothing wrong with wasting  billions of dollars overseas.
http://costofwar.com/en/
Even bright students often can't deal with subjectivity. Though I agree, some teenagers are definitely better than others. My view of them is definitely colored by the fact that I teach credit recovery courses.
In statistics courses, when making inferences about the population,  they recommend that we avoid biased samples.
Agreed, but even the "advanced" students that I have dealt with suffer from the debilitating effects of being teenagers. Wink
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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior jesus Christ!

My opinion (not in order)

1) Too much television & video games
2) Raised by television & video games
3) Broken families
4) Lost faith
I agree with your analysis. However, not all teenagers are stupid. There are many idealistic, decent, bright  teenagers of high moral character.


As a teacher, I believe and notice ALL teenagers are not stupid, and they are all idealistic, decent, an bright and mostly with high moral character.  That is why it is MY job to find it, accentuate it, and help it grow, expand, progress, and develop.  ALL kids are smart, all kids have heart, all kids have empathy.  The question is where do they apply themselves? What is their interests? What is their attention span? If you can make things interesting and applicable, even the "stupidest" kids will amaze you at their abilities when they focus, hence why there is simply no such thing as stupid in the first place Wink

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Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.
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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2012, 03:26:13 PM »

However, there are some fantastic teenagers who are just fun to be around. Some of my students are hilariously lively individuals that are great to have in class. Of course, this varies from student to student.
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Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I do believe that is often fairly obvious Wink

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Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
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Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
I hope so too, but it is an established fact that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25.
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Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
I hope so too, but it is an established fact that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25.

I think this overstates the case (or states the case as believed decades ago), by using words like "finish," given what we know about the plasticity of the brain and how we never stop developing.  police
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Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
I hope so too, but it is an established fact that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25.

Actually, studies show that teenagers use different parts of their brains than adults, for the same functions, until about the age of 25.  Does different mean inferior?
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This is your brain.

This is your brain on teenagers..



Any questions?

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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2012, 07:10:05 PM »

Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
I hope so too, but it is an established fact that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25.

Actually, studies show that teenagers use different parts of their brains than adults, for the same functions, until about the age of 25.  Does different mean inferior?
I didn't say inferior. I said less developed. Teenagers still are equal in human dignity, and created in the image and likeness of God, just as much as adults are.
Three examples of the less developed nature of the teenage brain (examples we learn about in training for teachers).
1. On average, teenagers are not able to think as abstractly as adults.
2. On average, teenagers have a greater deal of difficult putting together the multitude of minor steps that it takes to reach a major goal, especially when that goal is months or years down the road.
3. When we are teenagers, we tend to unconsciously see ourselves as the center of the world, and this is true even of the less selfish of us. The world is sort of like a first person novel, in which we are the main character. As we grow up, hopefully we move past this to some degree, but it is more prevalent, on average, in the teenage person.
Again, these are not judgements against teenagers. They merely descriptions of how the average teenage mind works. Knowing these things has helped me immensely with patience and understanding when it comes to my students.
And for the record, I can see a major difference between my cognitive skills as a teenager/young adult and my cognitive skills now that I am in my early 30s.
BUT, all that means is that now I have less of an excuse for the multitude of stupid things I do.  Grin
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Further the neurochemistry of the teenage mind is not finished developing a balance.  This is why teenagers can be moody or manic because the chemicals that run their brains are in flux.  As the brain matures, the chemistry finds more of a rhythm and balance.  This is why teenagers seem to be so much more impulsive and adults much more rigid.  Teenagers have literally a more raging brain then adults, and while we all share the same neurochemicals, these are almost boiling over in some young minds. This is why their own natural moods, caused by neurochemistry, are more exaggerated.  Kids will lose their temper more than adults just as kids will laugh themselves hysterical at a joke more than an adult.  Kids will through themselves into their emotions more than adults precisely because the neurochemicals behind our emotions operate at higher extremes on the young brain.  As the brain matures, it learns how to more properly use its own chemicals, after all mechanically to the brain, moods and emotions are just tools to adjust behavior.   Of course, as I suggested, rigid neurochemistry is not entirely beneficial on its own, the purpose of an extended childhood and adolescence in human biology is to allow the brain and body to have a lengthy experimentation period.  Kids simply need to make some of the mistakes they make in order to build better synaptic connections, to find their biological limits, test their neurochemical waters, and have a wild variety of mind altering experiences (pun intended).  So it is not inferior at all, but the teenage brain is definitely more chaotic and fluctuating the adult brain.  There are pros and cons then to both brains.

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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2012, 08:40:02 PM »

Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
I hope so too, but it is an established fact that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25.

Actually, studies show that teenagers use different parts of their brains than adults, for the same functions, until about the age of 25.  Does different mean inferior?
I didn't say inferior. I said less developed. Teenagers still are equal in human dignity, and created in the image and likeness of God, just as much as adults are.
Three examples of the less developed nature of the teenage brain (examples we learn about in training for teachers).
1. On average, teenagers are not able to think as abstractly as adults.
2. On average, teenagers have a greater deal of difficult putting together the multitude of minor steps that it takes to reach a major goal, especially when that goal is months or years down the road.
3. When we are teenagers, we tend to unconsciously see ourselves as the center of the world, and this is true even of the less selfish of us. The world is sort of like a first person novel, in which we are the main character. As we grow up, hopefully we move past this to some degree, but it is more prevalent, on average, in the teenage person.
Again, these are not judgements against teenagers. They merely descriptions of how the average teenage mind works. Knowing these things has helped me immensely with patience and understanding when it comes to my students.
And for the record, I can see a major difference between my cognitive skills as a teenager/young adult and my cognitive skills now that I am in my early 30s.
BUT, all that means is that now I have less of an excuse for the multitude of stupid things I do.  Grin



Well said papist  Grin

The adolescent brain is indeed still undergoing maturation. However the area of maturation correlates the behavior manifested. The Limbic system that deals with fear, emotional impulses matures before the prefrontal cortex, which is essential for planning ahead, emotional regulation, response inhibition, and organization.
The maturing limbic system is particularly attracted to strong immediate sensations, unchecked by the slowly maturing prefrontal cortex for this reason adolescents like intensity, excitement and arousal.

 As you have mentioned, in general this is one of the reason that the adolescent thinking is egocentric, with its own invincibility fable, and an imaginary audience.

Depending on the kind of environment one is exposed to, these neurological realities can be positive or negative to the overall wellness of the adolescence.

As far as how society deals with this fact, is however a complicated matter; especially as the educational system, and the penal system, etc. must reassess their functional approach in the light of these facts and their implications.

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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2012, 08:44:42 PM »

Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
I hope so too, but it is an established fact that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25.

Actually, studies show that teenagers use different parts of their brains than adults, for the same functions, until about the age of 25.  Does different mean inferior?
I didn't say inferior. I said less developed. Teenagers still are equal in human dignity, and created in the image and likeness of God, just as much as adults are.
Three examples of the less developed nature of the teenage brain (examples we learn about in training for teachers).
1. On average, teenagers are not able to think as abstractly as adults.
2. On average, teenagers have a greater deal of difficult putting together the multitude of minor steps that it takes to reach a major goal, especially when that goal is months or years down the road.
3. When we are teenagers, we tend to unconsciously see ourselves as the center of the world, and this is true even of the less selfish of us. The world is sort of like a first person novel, in which we are the main character. As we grow up, hopefully we move past this to some degree, but it is more prevalent, on average, in the teenage person.
Again, these are not judgements against teenagers. They merely descriptions of how the average teenage mind works. Knowing these things has helped me immensely with patience and understanding when it comes to my students.
And for the record, I can see a major difference between my cognitive skills as a teenager/young adult and my cognitive skills now that I am in my early 30s.
BUT, all that means is that now I have less of an excuse for the multitude of stupid things I do.  Grin



Well said papist  Grin

The adolescent brain is indeed still undergoing maturation. However the area of maturation correlates the behavior manifested. The Limbic system that deals with fear, emotional impulses matures before the prefrontal cortex, which is essential for planning ahead, emotional regulation, response inhibition, and organization.
The maturing limbic system is particularly attracted to strong immediate sensations, unchecked by the slowly maturing prefrontal cortex for this reason adolescents like intensity, excitement and arousal.

 As you have mentioned, in general this is one of the reason that the adolescent thinking is egocentric, with its own invincibility fable, and an imaginary audience.

Depending on the kind of environment one is exposed to, these neurological realities can be positive or negative to the overall wellness of the adolescence.

As far as how society deals with this fact, is however a complicated matter; especially as the educational system, and the penal system, etc. must reassess their functional approach in the light of these facts and their implications.
And, unfortunately, the educational system is not there yet.
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Again, I agree. However, all teenagers have brains that have not finished developing.

I'd say my brain is pretty well developed. Or at least I hope so...
I hope so too, but it is an established fact that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25.

Actually, studies show that teenagers use different parts of their brains than adults, for the same functions, until about the age of 25.  Does different mean inferior?
I didn't say inferior. I said less developed. Teenagers still are equal in human dignity, and created in the image and likeness of God, just as much as adults are.
Three examples of the less developed nature of the teenage brain (examples we learn about in training for teachers).
1. On average, teenagers are not able to think as abstractly as adults.
2. On average, teenagers have a greater deal of difficult putting together the multitude of minor steps that it takes to reach a major goal, especially when that goal is months or years down the road.
3. When we are teenagers, we tend to unconsciously see ourselves as the center of the world, and this is true even of the less selfish of us. The world is sort of like a first person novel, in which we are the main character. As we grow up, hopefully we move past this to some degree, but it is more prevalent, on average, in the teenage person.
Again, these are not judgements against teenagers. They merely descriptions of how the average teenage mind works. Knowing these things has helped me immensely with patience and understanding when it comes to my students.
And for the record, I can see a major difference between my cognitive skills as a teenager/young adult and my cognitive skills now that I am in my early 30s.
BUT, all that means is that now I have less of an excuse for the multitude of stupid things I do.  Grin



Well said papist  Grin

The adolescent brain is indeed still undergoing maturation. However the area of maturation correlates the behavior manifested. The Limbic system that deals with fear, emotional impulses matures before the prefrontal cortex, which is essential for planning ahead, emotional regulation, response inhibition, and organization.
The maturing limbic system is particularly attracted to strong immediate sensations, unchecked by the slowly maturing prefrontal cortex for this reason adolescents like intensity, excitement and arousal.

 As you have mentioned, in general this is one of the reason that the adolescent thinking is egocentric, with its own invincibility fable, and an imaginary audience.

Depending on the kind of environment one is exposed to, these neurological realities can be positive or negative to the overall wellness of the adolescence.

As far as how society deals with this fact, is however a complicated matter; especially as the educational system, and the penal system, etc. must reassess their functional approach in the light of these facts and their implications.
And, unfortunately, the educational system is not there yet.

a very sad reality indeed.
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Things just got worse with teenagers. All I can say about this is....Good Lord, what are we going to do?

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