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« on: January 06, 2003, 06:10:42 PM »

ORTHODOX CHURCH BANS MODERN GREEK IN LITURGY,
Rejects Bishop's Initiative to Do Away with "Koine"

Athens (Greece), September 20, 2002

The Greek Orthodox Church has rejected a proposal to introduce modern Greek in the Liturgy.

The great majority of the Holy Synod opted to keep Koine Greek as it was spoken 2,000 years ago and used in New Testament texts. Koine has contributed to the "mystery" of the Liturgy, the Orthodox bishops emphasized.

Bishop Apostolos of Kilkision sparked the debate after he had translated liturgical texts into modern Greek and celebrated the Liturgy in that language.

The bishop was called to account by the Holy Synod. He said he does not see anything wrong with his decision, which seeks "to make the Liturgy accessible to the people." "The majority of people do not understand the language of the Liturgy. They don't understand one word," the newspaper Kathimerini reported the bishop as saying. "It is one of the reasons why many people, particularly youth, do not go to church," Bishop Apostolos added.

With the exception of two bishops, all members of the Holy Synod opposed the proposal, and Bishop Apostolos promised not to use modern Greek to celebrate the Liturgy.

Archbishop Christodoulos, head of the Orthodox Church in Greece, wrote Bishop Apostolos saying that, "if he believed changes should be made, he should send his proposals in writing to be examined" by a special commission of the Holy Synod.

Defenders of Koine do not think that the usage of modern Greek will attract more people to church. With "its beauty, strength and splendor," the traditional Liturgy of the Orthodox does much more for the faith than what punctilious understanding and explanation of each and every word might do, ecclesiastical sources explained.

Pravoslavie.Ru / Zenit.org

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2003, 06:56:53 PM »

So much for the Orthodox liturgical services in the vernacular among the Greeks, which can still use noble, hieratic translations if it so chose to do.  The Ukrainians have already done it in most places to replace 9th-Century Church Slavonic, which is based on Old Bulgarian.

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2003, 09:11:05 PM »

So much for the Orthodox liturgical services in the vernacular among the Greeks, which can still use noble, hieratic translations if it so chose to do.  The Ukrainians have already done it in most places to replace 9th-Century Church Slavonic, which is based on Old Bulgarian.

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While I am totally in favor of worshipping in the vernacular I am also in favor of accurate information.  What we Slav Orthodox have in our service books is called "Church Slavonic"  (not "Old Slavonic" even if our people sometimes call it that) which represents the lanuage and translation work of Saints Cyril and Methodius but in a much, much later recension.  The language has been updated recently most notably during the reign of Patriarch Nikon and during the reign of Empress Elizabeth in the 18th century.  

For many educated Slavs Church Slavonic is not totally inaccessible, although it certainly no longer reflects the spoken language.  It is also most clearly Russified.

There are plenty of online resources about this, one I favor is:

http://justin.zamora.com/slavonic/

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2003, 03:47:29 AM »

There used to be a really strong emphasis on learning ancient greek (and koine) in schools in Greece, but the socialist government in roughly 20 years of power, have brought education in Greece to a pitiful state so it is no wonder young people do not understand koine today. Thirty years ago a teenager would have had no difficulty understanding the liturgy.
IMHO, celebrating the liturgy in modern greek would just be treating the symptoms and not dealing with the root of the problem, in education. I believe that this is just one of the many small fronts in which the devil is attacking the church in Greece.
I have sadly come to the understanding that greeks have very short memories. They have forgotten that Greece survived for generations under the turkish yoke solely due to the unceasing efforts of the church. Now they're happy to elect prime ministers who are faithless. Our former PM was a corrupt individual who, in his old age, dumped his wife for an air hostess. Our current PM is a jew. Not a real lot of love for the church in our leadership, is there? Sad
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2003, 08:30:50 AM »

The infamous Mimi "Porno" Papandr+¬ou?

Don't talk to me about that harpy.  Tfeh!

There are also some Greek disgraces hailing  from the morally bankrupt elite of intellectuals, members of the academic echelon who assert that the Greek Church was an Ottoman extension and relegate its heroic role against the Turkeye as a myth.  What scum.

The crooked socialist establishment controls the government (not that there should be a state to begin with, mind you; that such gangsters and crooks had the gall to pronounce sentence upon King Konstantinos shows to what extent politicians are pathetic).  Let freedom reign.

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2003, 11:34:45 PM »

Tony<<For many educated Slavs Church Slavonic is not totally inaccessible, although it certainly no longer reflects the spoken language.  It is also most clearly Russified.>>

Tony, the only Slavic language with which I have any reasonable familiarity in speech, reading and writing is a Western Slavic language: Polish, which, as you know, uses the same Western alphabet as the rest of Western Europe.  I never learned to read or write Slavonic, nor was I exposed to Slavonic letters at all when I was growing up.  And even though I have a college degree, which, I assume, puts me in the ranks of "the educated Slavs," I am hopelessly dyslexic, which frustrates me terribly when I sing in the church choir and a Church Slavonic hymn is suddenly put in front of me to replace an English one, e.g, the Cherubikon, and I am unable to read it and am embarrassedly reduced to simply humming the melody of the Slavonic hymn.  For some inexplicable God-given reason, however, I *am* able to *understand* a reasonable amount of Church Slavonic--indeed, this faculty was given me from the first days I was exposed to it in Church, and yet I know almost no Russian!  My maternal Ukrainian-born grandmother did sing a Ukrainian lullabye to me when I was a baby though.  That was the extent of the Ukrainian I ever heard in my house.  I know the Lord's Prayer and the "Ave" in Polish from my days as a student in a Polish parochial grammar school, but, alas, to this day I am still unable to either read or pray these prayers in Slavonic!

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