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Looking to take the next step...
« on: April 26, 2012, 11:47:12 AM »
I think Im going to be able to visit the local OCA parish for the first time this weekend.  I dont know anyone there, except katherineofdixie from this forum goes there.  I dont know why I havent been more proactive about checking this place out.  Their website says they serve liturgy every day.  This would be helpful to me as someone who isnt always able to attend on Sundays.  I would like to try and set up a meeting with a priest and talk about my situation which I have shared on here before. 

Im hoping I would be able to take the next step even though I play in a Christian band that does a lot of work for protestant evangelical churches.  We are busy a couple nights out of the week, and also travel fairly often.  I love getting to make music with my best friends, and it is also my primary source of income so Im obviously not ready to give it up.  If I am able to attend liturgy regularly, and have an active life with this Church, do you think there would be any real conflicts with me working for these other Churches?  Note that Im not on staff at a church, just a contractor. 
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2012, 11:50:44 AM »
I think Im going to be able to visit the local OCA parish for the first time this weekend.  I dont know anyone there, except katherineofdixie from this forum goes there.  I dont know why I havent been more proactive about checking this place out.  Their website says they serve liturgy every day.  This would be helpful to me as someone who isnt always able to attend on Sundays.  I would like to try and set up a meeting with a priest and talk about my situation which I have shared on here before. 

Im hoping I would be able to take the next step even though I play in a Christian band that does a lot of work for protestant evangelical churches.  We are busy a couple nights out of the week, and also travel fairly often.  I love getting to make music with my best friends, and it is also my primary source of income so Im obviously not ready to give it up.  If I am able to attend liturgy regularly, and have an active life with this Church, do you think there would be any real conflicts with me working for these other Churches?  Note that Im not on staff at a church, just a contractor. 

I think this issue came up not too long ago. IIRC, the big hiccup was if the church gave communion. I cant remember the thread, but if someone can hunt it down, it might give you some direction.

God bless you on going to this parish!

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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2012, 12:05:13 PM »
I think Im going to be able to visit the local OCA parish for the first time this weekend.  I dont know anyone there, except katherineofdixie from this forum goes there. 

Then you will be OK as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 12:13:08 PM »
I think Im going to be able to visit the local OCA parish for the first time this weekend.  I dont know anyone there, except katherineofdixie from this forum goes there.  I dont know why I havent been more proactive about checking this place out.  Their website says they serve liturgy every day.  This would be helpful to me as someone who isnt always able to attend on Sundays.  I would like to try and set up a meeting with a priest and talk about my situation which I have shared on here before. 

Im hoping I would be able to take the next step even though I play in a Christian band that does a lot of work for protestant evangelical churches.  We are busy a couple nights out of the week, and also travel fairly often.  I love getting to make music with my best friends, and it is also my primary source of income so Im obviously not ready to give it up.  If I am able to attend liturgy regularly, and have an active life with this Church, do you think there would be any real conflicts with me working for these other Churches?  Note that Im not on staff at a church, just a contractor. 

I think this issue came up not too long ago. IIRC, the big hiccup was if the church gave communion. I cant remember the thread, but if someone can hunt it down, it might give you some direction.

God bless you on going to this parish!

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Most of these churches dont take communion. If they did, I wouldnt.  Also, 99% of what we do is for youth services, camps, events, etc.

And to clarify, Im not asking for permission to be Orthodox and protestant.  Just dont want to quit working with my band. 
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 12:43:42 PM »
Timon, are you a "worship leader" when you play church gigs?

Either way, right now you're taking the step of actually going to an Orthodox Church, which isn't dependent upon your affiliation or lack thereof.
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2012, 12:58:59 PM »
Timon, are you a "worship leader" when you play church gigs?

Either way, right now you're taking the step of actually going to an Orthodox Church, which isn't dependent upon your affiliation or lack thereof.

I play guitar in a worship band.  So, yes and no I guess.  Im not the actual "worship leader." 

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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 01:00:55 PM »
Either way, right now you're taking the step of actually going to an Orthodox Church, which isn't dependent upon your affiliation or lack thereof.

Great point, and good to hear that you are taking this step, Timon.

Again, that parish seems great; keep us updated.
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2012, 01:08:04 PM »
Thanks everyone.  I was attending a Greek church, but havent been in a while.  I loved it there, but a lot of the service was in Greek.  I have been wanting to check out this OCA church for a while now because I want to understand the whole liturgy.
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2012, 01:12:35 PM »
I play guitar in a worship band.  So, yes and no I guess.  Im not the actual "worship leader."  
I have a few friends who are musicians who rotate churches in the Seattle area. Sounds similar.

If/when you choose to be baptised and/or chrismated, that could be an issue, since you're essentially a rotating clergy member in another church (in some Emergent/ evangelical churches, members of the worship team are sort of like deacons) Then again, there are members of my choir who sing occasionally in protestant churches and RC churches. They are permitted to do so without any drama.

In any case, Timon, I wouldn't worry about that now. The priest isn't gonna have contracts waiting for you to sign when you walk in the nave.  ;)

And, uh, if he does, I'd run.
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2012, 01:21:50 PM »
I play guitar in a worship band.  So, yes and no I guess.  Im not the actual "worship leader." 
I have a few friends who are musicians who rotate churches in the Seattle area. Sounds similar.

If/when you choose to be baptised and/or chrismated, that could be an issue, since you're essentially a rotating clergy member in another church (in some Emergent/ evangelical churches, members of the worship team are sort of like deacons) Then again, there are members of my choir who sing occasionally in protestant churches and RC churches. They are permitted to do so without any drama.

Its probably very similar.  I know Seattle has its share of huge churches like Atlanta does.  And again, im not wanting to be Orthodox and protestant.  I just love the community of musicians that I get to work with, and I'd hate to abandon it.  Especially when Im not sure it would even be necessary. The example of members of your choir singing in other churches is comforting.  It seems to be the exact same thing.  And in my particular circle, I have never been regarded as clergy/deacon/etc. 

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In any case, Timon, I wouldn't worry about that now. The priest isn't gonna have contracts waiting for you to sign when you walk in the nave.  ;)

Oh I know.  Priests usually arent in a hurry when it comes to this stuff, which is fine.  The other Greek priest i met with told me to keep doing what I was doing because it was what I loved and its how I provide for my family.  He seemed to be ok with it, but we also didnt talk about me becoming a catechumen or anything. 

I guess at the end of the day, I just need to discuss it with whoever my future priest will be.  I guess they will make the call.  If anyone else has dealt with anything similar, feel free to chime in.

Yes, it does sound very similar. 
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 02:25:37 PM »
Though I blush to admit it now, in my misspent years, I was a member of the worship team in my former church. (Those photos of me wielding a tambourine, however, are photoshopped, and not true.) ;D
My experience was that once I attended a Divine Liturgy, worship and music in other churches paled by comparison, and I was dissatisfied with anything else. I always tell people that the experience was like listening to Bach on a cassette recorder all my life and finally hearing it in person, played by a world-class symphony orchestra in a hall with perfectly incredible acoustics.

(P.S. If you come on Sunday, I'm usually on the choir side toward the back, or you can just ask Tommy, our wonderful self-appointed greeter-for-life.)
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2012, 02:27:06 PM »
I think Im going to be able to visit the local OCA parish for the first time this weekend.  I dont know anyone there, except katherineofdixie from this forum goes there. 

Then you will be OK as far as I am concerned.

Well, aren't you the sweetest thing! :-*
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2012, 08:07:46 PM »
Though I blush to admit it now, in my misspent years, I was a member of the worship team in my former church. (Those photos of me wielding a tambourine, however, are photoshopped, and not true.) ;D
My experience was that once I attended a Divine Liturgy, worship and music in other churches paled by comparison, and I was dissatisfied with anything else. I always tell people that the experience was like listening to Bach on a cassette recorder all my life and finally hearing it in person, played by a world-class symphony orchestra in a hall with perfectly incredible acoustics.

(P.S. If you come on Sunday, I'm usually on the choir side toward the back, or you can just ask Tommy, our wonderful self-appointed greeter-for-life.)


I can agree with that. Nothing compares to the DL.  And im certainly not trying to rival it.  But I do enjoy playing music with my friends for middle and high schoolers.  And while the worship style isnt Orthodox, I pray every day that the kids somehow encounter God through all the distractions.

I guess I personally dont mind the "cool" and "hip" music for kids.  Theyre different, and it can be tougher to hold their attention.  I dont, however, think that these types of youth services should replace any Eucharistic liturgy.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 09:13:26 PM »
Katherine, were you there this morning??  I was hoping to meet you, but I had to leave right after they introduced my wife and I to the parish.

Anyways, I really enjoyed the liturgy there.  That was my first DL entirely in English.  My wife came with me, and shes not quite as comfortable with the whole Orthodox thing yet, so we kind of just stood in the back and watched for the most part.  It was really funny though when the usher at the door invited us to receive a blessing from the priest during communion.  When he held the chalice up for my wife, she had no idea she was supposed to kiss it.  I was laughing on the inside, because she looked kinda awkward... Ha! 

But I was relieved to hear that she kinda liked the liturgy overall.  Her quote was, in a positive tone, "I actually didnt hate it!"  When I took her to vespers at the Greek parish, she didnt care for it at all.  Im still not going to rush anything with her, but I was glad to hear that she had a positive experience. 

I do plan to attend when I can on Sundays (which wont be often right now) but Im going to try and go on Saturdays instead.
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Re: Looking to take the next step...
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 07:54:40 AM »
Most of these churches dont take communion.

In what sense are they churches?
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 09:26:31 AM »
Katherine, were you there this morning??  I was hoping to meet you, but I had to leave right after they introduced my wife and I to the parish.

Anyways, I really enjoyed the liturgy there.  That was my first DL entirely in English.  My wife came with me, and shes not quite as comfortable with the whole Orthodox thing yet, so we kind of just stood in the back and watched for the most part.  It was really funny though when the usher at the door invited us to receive a blessing from the priest during communion.  When he held the chalice up for my wife, she had no idea she was supposed to kiss it.  I was laughing on the inside, because she looked kinda awkward... Ha! 

But I was relieved to hear that she kinda liked the liturgy overall.  Her quote was, in a positive tone, "I actually didnt hate it!"  When I took her to vespers at the Greek parish, she didnt care for it at all.  Im still not going to rush anything with her, but I was glad to hear that she had a positive experience. 

I do plan to attend when I can on Sundays (which wont be often right now) but Im going to try and go on Saturdays instead.

Sounds good!  :)

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 09:29:03 AM »
Most of these churches dont take communion.

In what sense are they churches?

Because they have a live rock band and funny preacher.

But seriously, the way I worded that was a little harsh I guess.  They do take it, but its extremely rare.  I once worked at a Church for over 2 years and we took communion 2 times during that whole span.  Some churches have special "communion services" once every few months or so.

I guess the point was that if I converted, I wouldnt have to worry about taking communion in any of these other Churches I work in with my band.  It has actually only happened once ever and I just respectfully declined.  
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 11:26:18 AM »
Hi Timon - yes, I was there. When they introduced you and your wife, I wondered if that was you, but then you disappeared and I couldn't find you!
Too bad you had to leave. We had a wonderful lunch - quiche and salad and homemade chocolate chip cookies!


(P.S. one of my husband's co-workers, who has never attended a liturgical service of any kind, was visiting also. At one point during the Liturgy, she looked at me and said with amazement, "but it's all just straight from the Bible!!!" I replied, "yeah, you know, that whole Bible thing? That was us!" ;D)
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 04:52:14 PM »
I guess the point was that if I converted, I wouldnt have to worry about taking communion in any of these other Churches I work in with my band. It has actually only happened once ever and I just respectfully declined. 

Glad to hear you enjoyed it, and that your wife didn't completely hate it! It's improvement. ;)

As far as the above, it's gonna happen as long as you continue to have Protestants as friends. I once had turn to refuse communion at one of my best friend's weddings (it was actually a nice liturgical wedding (with essentially replaced the Liturgy of the Word) and was ended with communion (which was more-or-less a shorter form of our Liturgy of the Eucharist). It was probably my favorite wedding service I'd seen done by Protestants...ever. I don't think my friends took it too hard, because they knew I was Orthodox...it was still an interesting occurrence.

Oh, and did I mention I was a groomsman? ;)

(P.S. one of my husband's co-workers, who has never attended a liturgical service of any kind, was visiting also. At one point during the Liturgy, she looked at me and said with amazement, "but it's all just straight from the Bible!!!" I replied, "yeah, you know, that whole Bible thing? That was us!" ;D)

Heheh, I love making that point! ;D
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