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« on: April 24, 2012, 06:20:39 PM »


Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce Christianity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence. I now follow only the eternal religion taught by the historical man Yashua. I no longer believe that the Christians are his followers. Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 06:23:03 PM »

What?
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 06:27:09 PM »

Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

The other Apostles managed not to realize it. A lot of good Pentecost did.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 06:28:29 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 06:30:21 PM »


Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce Christianity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence. I now follow only the eternal religion taught by the historical man Yashua. I no longer believe that the Christians are his followers. Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 06:31:43 PM »

If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence.

I believe God will be merciful upon those who have no idea what they're talking about.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 06:44:12 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reese's peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 06:46:48 PM »

Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

The other Apostles managed not to realize it. A lot of good Pentecost did.

You do realize this is poor apologetics. Actually, I guess you don't, otherwise you wouldn't've wrote it.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2012, 06:47:47 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2012, 06:50:27 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 06:51:50 PM »

This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.
If you want to be serious, then explain why you believe what you believe.

It will be more difficult now that geocities is down for good.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 06:53:16 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.



I am absolutely SHOCKED that this would be posted! There is no one serious anymore. May Yashua come soon to end the world.
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 06:55:10 PM »

I am absolutely SHOCKED that this would be posted! There is no one serious anymore. May Yashua come soon to end the world.

He already came Smiley Here is a pic of him with Bill Maher...

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2012, 06:59:25 PM »

Unbelievable! I am never stepping another foot into an Eastern Orthodox church
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2012, 07:00:09 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 07:11:33 PM »

Unbelievable! I am never stepping another foot into an Eastern Orthodox church

"The greatest single cause of original monotheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by funny posts on a message board. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

It's like that guy was a prophet or something.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 07:12:24 PM »

This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.
If you want to be serious, then explain why you believe what you believe.

It will be more difficult now that geocities is down for good.

OK, explain? No idea about the reference here.
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 07:15:51 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 07:17:32 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce Christianity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence. I now follow only the eternal religion taught by the historical man Yashua. I no longer believe that the Christians are his followers. Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

How do you know what Jesus taught?

More importantly, Who do you say Jesus is?
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 07:18:56 PM »


Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce Christianity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence. I now follow only the eternal religion taught by the historical man Yashua. I no longer believe that the Christians are his followers. Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

Well, that is certainly an interesting way to start a post.
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2012, 07:20:29 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2012, 07:21:29 PM »

Unbelievable! I am never stepping another foot into an Eastern Orthodox church

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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2012, 07:26:59 PM »


Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce Christianity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence. I now follow only the eternal religion taught by the historical man Yashua. I no longer believe that the Christians are his followers. Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

It's Yeshua, get it right.  Has Yeshuaisiam taught you nothing?
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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2012, 07:28:23 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

Oldest religion in the world.

No blood, no Trinity, no incarnate gods, etc.
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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2012, 07:30:48 PM »

Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

The other Apostles managed not to realize it. A lot of good Pentecost did.

You do realize this is poor apologetics. Actually, I guess you don't, otherwise you wouldn't've wrote it.

I do realize. I was being snarky. Thanks for the analysis though.
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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2012, 07:35:40 PM »

Unbelievable! I am never stepping another foot into an Eastern Orthodox church

Don't worry, we have some humorless people too.

I take this back. I now realize I'm the one who didn't get the joke.
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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2012, 07:41:39 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

Oldest religion in the world.

No blood, no Trinity, no incarnate gods, etc.

Is it older than the world's oldest profession?

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2012, 07:43:22 PM »

This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.
If you want to be serious, then explain why you believe what you believe.

It will be more difficult now that geocities is down for good.

Haha...
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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2012, 07:43:36 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

Oldest religion in the world.

No blood, no Trinity, no incarnate gods, etc.

Uh, Zoroaster wasn't a Muslim.

All the other people you mentioned were Jewish, up to Christ.

So, are you a really angry Messianic Jew, or a really angry Muslim convert?

You shouldn't believe everything student groups tell you in college.
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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2012, 07:43:46 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.



I am absolutely SHOCKED that this would be posted! There is no one serious anymore. May Yashua come soon to end the world.

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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2012, 07:44:44 PM »

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Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2012, 07:49:51 PM »

Is your religion bigger than a breadbox?
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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2012, 07:50:20 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.


Its going to be hard to be light hearted after you have a heart attack.
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2012, 07:51:04 PM »

I miss this guy.
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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2012, 07:52:44 PM »

Yeah, he was pretty wacky, but I hope he's doing okay. And I hope he'll pay one of the Malankara churches a visit someday.  Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2012, 07:53:35 PM »

Is your religion bigger than a breadbox?

I was so setting someone up for this. I set the + / - at two posts after mine.
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If you look at the OP's posting history you can find some real gems!
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« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2012, 08:00:26 PM »

I believe that humans are descended from fallen angels, i.e. demons. I perceive this intuitively, and to me it makes sense experientially and rationally. After I believed this for a while, I found out that some of the Essenes believed the same thing. Has anyone else had this perception at any time?

I don't even know where to start with this one.

I especially will not shake hands with the heathen. This is an absolutely outrageous custom. If you do not know them and they are most likely not even spiritual, but are rather like the average citizen of the kingdom of darkness, then why on earth would the servants of God want to shake hands with them? Handshakes transmit energies into the bodies. Also, most of the heathen males masturbate daily with their right hand. But if you do not shake hands with them then they will not accept you into their dark world of "professionalism" (i.e. service of demons). They even have a whole way of judging you by your handshakes, whether it was firm and assertive and trustworthy, or whether it was weak and that you are therefore somehow a lesser person. This is absolutely crazy! Does anyone else believe this?

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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2012, 08:01:35 PM »

If you look at the OP's posting history you can find some real gems!

This isn't Jaroslav come back again, is it?  Huh
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I believe that humans are descended from fallen angels, i.e. demons. I perceive this intuitively, and to me it makes sense experientially and rationally. After I believed this for a while, I found out that some of the Essenes believed the same thing. Has anyone else had this perception at any time?

I don't even know where to start with this one.

I especially will not shake hands with the heathen. This is an absolutely outrageous custom. If you do not know them and they are most likely not even spiritual, but are rather like the average citizen of the kingdom of darkness, then why on earth would the servants of God want to shake hands with them? Handshakes transmit energies into the bodies. Also, most of the heathen males masturbate daily with their right hand. But if you do not shake hands with them then they will not accept you into their dark world of "professionalism" (i.e. service of demons). They even have a whole way of judging you by your handshakes, whether it was firm and assertive and trustworthy, or whether it was weak and that you are therefore somehow a lesser person. This is absolutely crazy! Does anyone else believe this?

What if you are a lefty?

It's called a stranger.

Being sinister my entire life though, I've always gone gauche.
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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2012, 08:07:16 PM »

if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.
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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2012, 08:09:04 PM »

if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.

Given the content of amartin's posts here (particularly the ones where he claims that humans are descended from fallen angels), I doubt he was ever part of the Church to begin with.
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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2012, 08:09:49 PM »

if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.

Nope, this guy has been weird from post #1

Greetings.

I was thinking about why/how God allows the suffering of innocent children. For example, thousands die every year from starvation.

To account for this, for a while I believed that God transcends desire, willing, and action.

But from a scientific perspective, could it be possible that God is at such a high vibrational frequency that God cannot automatically change things in the physical realm, which exists at an infinitely lower frequency? For example, spirits can walk through walls but they cannot easily change physical things. Could the same apply to God, but at infinitely higher levels?

Thanks for your input...
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Amartin, are you going to be the new pope for your new-found religion?  Let us know when the enthronement is. Grin
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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2012, 08:26:57 PM »

Nope, this guy has been weird from post #1

Greetings.

I was thinking about why/how God allows the suffering of innocent children. For example, thousands die every year from starvation.

To account for this, for a while I believed that God transcends desire, willing, and action.

But from a scientific perspective, could it be possible that God is at such a high vibrational frequency that God cannot automatically change things in the physical realm, which exists at an infinitely lower frequency? For example, spirits can walk through walls but they cannot easily change physical things. Could the same apply to God, but at infinitely higher levels?

Thanks for your input...

It's the vibrational frequency... yes... it's so clear now. Why didn't I ever think of that before?
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« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2012, 08:53:51 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

Oldest religion in the world.

No blood, no Trinity, no incarnate gods, etc.

Uh, Zoroaster wasn't a Muslim.

All the other people you mentioned were Jewish, up to Christ.

So, are you a really angry Messianic Jew, or a really angry Muslim convert?

You shouldn't believe everything student groups tell you in college.
The only persons "Jewish" in that list are Jesus and Moses.
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« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2012, 09:03:16 PM »

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

Oldest religion in the world.
Is anyone else besides you a part of that religion today? Can you name someone or a group?
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« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2012, 09:06:03 PM »

I think he's having fun guys. At least I really hope so.
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I think he's having fun guys. At least I really hope so.

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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2012, 09:33:44 PM »

Nevermind Lips Sealed my comment could be construed as much more naughty than it is meant to be...
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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2012, 09:35:32 PM »

I believe that humans are descended from fallen angels, i.e. demons. I perceive this intuitively, and to me it makes sense experientially and rationally. After I believed this for a while, I found out that some of the Essenes believed the same thing. Has anyone else had this perception at any time?

I don't even know where to start with this one.

I especially will not shake hands with the heathen. This is an absolutely outrageous custom. If you do not know them and they are most likely not even spiritual, but are rather like the average citizen of the kingdom of darkness, then why on earth would the servants of God want to shake hands with them? Handshakes transmit energies into the bodies. Also, most of the heathen males masturbate daily with their right hand. But if you do not shake hands with them then they will not accept you into their dark world of "professionalism" (i.e. service of demons). They even have a whole way of judging you by your handshakes, whether it was firm and assertive and trustworthy, or whether it was weak and that you are therefore somehow a lesser person. This is absolutely crazy! Does anyone else believe this?

What if you are a lefty?

It's called a stranger.

Being sinister my entire life though, I've always gone gauche.

I guess it is a good thing that I am a woman since I am ambidextrous.

You can cook and do laundry at the same time?  Grin

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« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2012, 09:37:49 PM »

Oh! You caught me! LOL
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« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2012, 09:48:20 PM »

Nope, this guy has been weird from post #1

Greetings.

I was thinking about why/how God allows the suffering of innocent children. For example, thousands die every year from starvation.

To account for this, for a while I believed that God transcends desire, willing, and action.

But from a scientific perspective, could it be possible that God is at such a high vibrational frequency that God cannot automatically change things in the physical realm, which exists at an infinitely lower frequency? For example, spirits can walk through walls but they cannot easily change physical things. Could the same apply to God, but at infinitely higher levels?

Thanks for your input...

It's the vibrational frequency... yes... it's so clear now. Why didn't I ever think of that before?
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So yeah, between the technobabble, the strange connections between random literary and historic figures, the lack of sense of humor, and the whole "impending doom" vibe, your religion is looking pretty swell to such a science fiction fan as myself. What sort of initiation rites are there?
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« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2012, 09:50:15 PM »

Nope, this guy has been weird from post #1

Greetings.

I was thinking about why/how God allows the suffering of innocent children. For example, thousands die every year from starvation.

To account for this, for a while I believed that God transcends desire, willing, and action.

But from a scientific perspective, could it be possible that God is at such a high vibrational frequency that God cannot automatically change things in the physical realm, which exists at an infinitely lower frequency? For example, spirits can walk through walls but they cannot easily change physical things. Could the same apply to God, but at infinitely higher levels?

Thanks for your input...

It's the vibrational frequency... yes... it's so clear now. Why didn't I ever think of that before?
Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!

So yeah, between the technobabble, the strange connections between random literary and historic figures, the lack of sense of humor, and the whole "impending doom" vibe, your religion is looking pretty swell to such a science fiction fan as myself. What sort of initiation rites are there?

If it's having beers at BW's I'm in! (Buffalo Wild Wings)
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« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2012, 10:09:24 PM »

Amartin:

Is shaking hands with a Christian allowed in your new religion?
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« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2012, 10:11:30 PM »

I take this back. I now realize I'm the one who didn't get the joke.

Yeah, this character is pretty thinly constructed and not very convincing. I'm more interested in which regular poster is behind this persona.
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« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2012, 10:17:53 PM »

Nope, this guy has been weird from post #1

Greetings.

I was thinking about why/how God allows the suffering of innocent children. For example, thousands die every year from starvation.

To account for this, for a while I believed that God transcends desire, willing, and action.

But from a scientific perspective, could it be possible that God is at such a high vibrational frequency that God cannot automatically change things in the physical realm, which exists at an infinitely lower frequency? For example, spirits can walk through walls but they cannot easily change physical things. Could the same apply to God, but at infinitely higher levels?

Thanks for your input...

It's the vibrational frequency... yes... it's so clear now. Why didn't I ever think of that before?
Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!

So yeah, between the technobabble, the strange connections between random literary and historic figures, the lack of sense of humor, and the whole "impending doom" vibe, your religion is looking pretty swell to such a science fiction fan as myself. What sort of initiation rites are there?

If it's having beers at BW's I'm in! (Buffalo Wild Wings)

Seems like a good opportunity to throw this out there:

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« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2012, 10:32:22 PM »

Nope, this guy has been weird from post #1

Greetings.

I was thinking about why/how God allows the suffering of innocent children. For example, thousands die every year from starvation.

To account for this, for a while I believed that God transcends desire, willing, and action.

But from a scientific perspective, could it be possible that God is at such a high vibrational frequency that God cannot automatically change things in the physical realm, which exists at an infinitely lower frequency? For example, spirits can walk through walls but they cannot easily change physical things. Could the same apply to God, but at infinitely higher levels?

Thanks for your input...

It's the vibrational frequency... yes... it's so clear now. Why didn't I ever think of that before?
Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!

So yeah, between the technobabble, the strange connections between random literary and historic figures, the lack of sense of humor, and the whole "impending doom" vibe, your religion is looking pretty swell to such a science fiction fan as myself. What sort of initiation rites are there?

If it's having beers at BW's I'm in! (Buffalo Wild Wings)

Seems like a good opportunity to throw this out there:



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« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2012, 10:54:26 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.

Let's back up here a moment; care to clarify the above?
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« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2012, 11:20:11 PM »

So transparently another Muslim performing e-dawah, pretending to be a Christian to put the same old blasphemy of Muhammad in a supposedly disarming package. I'm not buying it. Off to Rub' al-Khali with you.
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I was in ROCR but i realized i have to be more traditional than them even and go back earlier to Yashua himself. I cannot believe that mainstream Orthodoxy has turned into this...
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« Reply #67 on: April 24, 2012, 11:25:58 PM »

Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.

Let's back up here a moment; care to clarify the above?

You know... the messengers... with the vibrational frequencies and hands worthy of shaking.
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« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2012, 11:26:49 PM »

And where, pray tell, does "Isa" fit into all this, amartin? I mean, the only Isa I know posts here, and something tells me you're not talking about him...
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And where, pray tell, does "Isa" fit into all this, amartin? I mean, the only Isa I know posts here, and something tells me you're not talking about him...

Isa is Yashua. The first letter is transliterated as "Y" or "I". For example, Jews spell "Yisrael" and "Israel."

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

The real man is Isa (pronounced: Yashua)
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2012, 12:08:52 AM »

Hahaha. Um...no? Nice try, though.

Jesus is the English cognate of Yashua/Iyesus/'Isho/Yasu'. You have a problem with the English language? I don't see why. You're pretty good at it. Grin

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And where, pray tell, does "Isa" fit into all this, amartin? I mean, the only Isa I know posts here, and something tells me you're not talking about him...

Isa is Yashua. The first letter is transliterated as "Y" or "I". For example, Jews spell "Yisrael" and "Israel."

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

The real man is Isa (pronounced: Yashua)

Technically it's Latin...."Iesvs." Of course, the Aramaic "Yeshua" is the same as the Anglo-sized "Joshua", but who's arguing such petty linguistics?

Oh. Nevermind... Roll Eyes


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« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2012, 12:18:22 AM »

And where, pray tell, does "Isa" fit into all this, amartin? I mean, the only Isa I know posts here, and something tells me you're not talking about him...

Isa is Yashua. The first letter is transliterated as "Y" or "I". For example, Jews spell "Yisrael" and "Israel."

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

The real man is Isa (pronounced: Yashua)

Technically it's Latin...."Iesvs." Of course, the Aramaic "Yeshua" is the same as the Anglo-sized "Joshua", but who's arguing such petty linguistics?

Oh. Nevermind... Roll Eyes


This should be interesting.

What's Anglo-sized? Imperial measurements? The fast food upgrade at a British McDonald's?
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« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2012, 12:32:56 AM »

And where, pray tell, does "Isa" fit into all this, amartin? I mean, the only Isa I know posts here, and something tells me you're not talking about him...

Isa is Yashua. The first letter is transliterated as "Y" or "I". For example, Jews spell "Yisrael" and "Israel."

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

The real man is Isa (pronounced: Yashua)

Technically it's Latin...."Iesvs." Of course, the Aramaic "Yeshua" is the same as the Anglo-sized "Joshua", but who's arguing such petty linguistics?

Oh. Nevermind... Roll Eyes


This should be interesting.

What's Anglo-sized? Imperial measurements? The fast food upgrade at a British McDonald's?

It's the length from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger of the Archbishop of Canterbury.  Tongue

I meant "anglicized"...why I made up a word...poorly...the world may never know... Grin
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« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2012, 12:37:49 AM »

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

1.  The English didn't invent the "character" of Jesus for the name Jesus is translated from the Greek Iησούς

2.  What is "original monotheism?"

3.  Can one have a sense of humor in your religion?   Huh
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« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2012, 12:44:09 AM »

There is no Jesus. I publicly deny Jesus Christ. I only believe in Yashua the Messiah.
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« Reply #76 on: April 25, 2012, 12:47:14 AM »

There is no Jesus. I publicly deny Jesus Christ. I only believe in Yashua the Messiah.

So you're a Messianic Jew, a man-made religion.
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« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2012, 12:50:42 AM »


Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce Christianity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence. I now follow only the eternal religion taught by the historical man Yashua. I no longer believe that the Christians are his followers. Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

Joking aside, renouncing Christianity is renouncing Yeshua/Jesus.   The apostles decided that their new name would be "Christians", or followers of the Christ their God, who was made flesh in Yeshua (Aramaic transliterated into Greek as iesus, and to English as Jesus).

I find the statement about Saul interesting (though I disagree), but would hope (without jokes) that you could elaborate exactly what you believe, and how you formed the conclusions about Paul.   Unknown to many, there are a lot of "writings" against Saul in particular, that come from moderately sized groups of people & churches.

To the others, I do not believe the OP to be a Messianic Jew, as they respect Paul & his writings.  As bizarre as the statement may sound, the OP may be a victim of "Christian Disinfo".   There is a lot of that floating around.  

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« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2012, 01:03:17 AM »

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

1.  The English didn't invent the "character" of Jesus for the name Jesus is translated from the Greek Iησούς

2.  What is "original monotheism?"

3.  Can one have a sense of humor in your religion?   Huh

Original Monotheism by historical record would be Zoroastrianism (by historians).   Of course, since the Torah goes back to the beginning, by religious records, the Jews held the original.

Yeshua = Aramaic
Transliterated into Greek to the sound = iesus  (Greeks don't have the SH sound or Y)
Which King James transliterated to "Jesus", as the J sound and I sound were intermixed in old English (as well as latin).   We today say the hard "J" sound for the letter "J".

Some people get all bent out of shape on the name "Jesus" and call it a "complete scandal".   It's simply not true.  For my personal wonderment, I meddle and wonder why we all shouldn't call him Yeshua since in our English language we can easily spell it and pronounce it.   Kind of a "more perfect way".  I'm kind of at peace with it all though, and saying Jesus is traditional, and gives credit to the Greek texts.
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There is no Jesus. I publicly deny Jesus Christ. I only believe in Yashua the Messiah.

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if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.

I really appreciate your post jckstraw72, although my basis for support is more emotional compared to your rational justification.  I find ridicule abhorrent. It makes me sick to my stomach, so to speak, and I wish it would just go away. I do not want to see this right now. I apologize to those who were debating rather than posting disdainfully in this thread.
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« Reply #82 on: April 25, 2012, 01:37:47 AM »

Original Monotheism by historical record would be Zoroastrianism (by historians).   Of course, since the Torah goes back to the beginning, by religious records, the Jews held the original.

Yeshua = Aramaic
Transliterated into Greek to the sound = iesus  (Greeks don't have the SH sound or Y)
Which King James transliterated to "Jesus", as the J sound and I sound were intermixed in old English (as well as latin).   We today say the hard "J" sound for the letter "J".

Some people get all bent out of shape on the name "Jesus" and call it a "complete scandal".   It's simply not true.  For my personal wonderment, I meddle and wonder why we all shouldn't call him Yeshua since in our English language we can easily spell it and pronounce it.   Kind of a "more perfect way".  I'm kind of at peace with it all though, and saying Jesus is traditional, and gives credit to the Greek texts.

I don't see why people are working so hard to keep Aramaic alive at a University focused on Reform Judaism when Reform Judaism is a man made concept.

Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon website
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« Reply #83 on: April 25, 2012, 01:39:18 AM »

if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.

I really appreciate your post jckstraw72, although my basis for support is more emotional compared to your rational justification.  I find ridicule abhorrent. It makes me sick to my stomach, so to speak, and I wish it would just go away. I do not want to see this right now. I apologize to those who were debating rather than posting disdainfully in this thread.

I can understand your sentiments, really.  However, this guy seems to have more philosophical hang-ups than a dry cleaning business run by the reverend Moon.  Kudos to those who want to reach out and side-hug this guy back to the fold, but something tells me his reality-bending rants will forever trip him and us up.  Thus far all the coherent comments he's made can be counted on the one hand of a bad wood shop teacher and until he's able to articulate his thoughts a little better, he'll be paid about as much attention to as Betty White on the set of "Baywatch".  
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« Reply #84 on: April 25, 2012, 01:48:14 AM »

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

1.  The English didn't invent the "character" of Jesus for the name Jesus is translated from the Greek Iησούς

2.  What is "original monotheism?"

3.  Can one have a sense of humor in your religion?   Huh

Original Monotheism by historical record would be Zoroastrianism (by historians).   Of course, since the Torah goes back to the beginning, by religious records, the Jews held the original.

Yeshua = Aramaic
Transliterated into Greek to the sound = iesus  (Greeks don't have the SH sound or Y)
Which King James transliterated to "Jesus", as the J sound and I sound were intermixed in old English (as well as latin).   We today say the hard "J" sound for the letter "J".

Some people get all bent out of shape on the name "Jesus" and call it a "complete scandal".   It's simply not true.  For my personal wonderment, I meddle and wonder why we all shouldn't call him Yeshua since in our English language we can easily spell it and pronounce it.   Kind of a "more perfect way".  I'm kind of at peace with it all though, and saying Jesus is traditional, and gives credit to the Greek texts.
We have been over this before: no, English speakers can NOT "easily spell it and pronounce it." That's not an "a" at the end:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_pharyngeal_fricative

Btw, Zoroastrianism wasn't monotheistic. It was dualistic.
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« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2012, 01:50:41 AM »

Original Monotheism by historical record would be Zoroastrianism (by historians).   Of course, since the Torah goes back to the beginning, by religious records, the Jews held the original.

Yeshua = Aramaic
Transliterated into Greek to the sound = iesus  (Greeks don't have the SH sound or Y)
Which King James transliterated to "Jesus", as the J sound and I sound were intermixed in old English (as well as latin).   We today say the hard "J" sound for the letter "J".

Some people get all bent out of shape on the name "Jesus" and call it a "complete scandal".   It's simply not true.  For my personal wonderment, I meddle and wonder why we all shouldn't call him Yeshua since in our English language we can easily spell it and pronounce it.   Kind of a "more perfect way".  I'm kind of at peace with it all though, and saying Jesus is traditional, and gives credit to the Greek texts.

I don't see why people are working so hard to keep Aramaic alive at a University focused on Reform Judaism when Reform Judaism is a man made concept.

Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon website

Yeah, I don't completely understand the reformed Judaism surges.  The Aramaic is important however, if you want to understand the linguistics of the day of Christ. Often though people get it wrong because they get all bent out of shape and say "Jesus" is absolutely incorrect.

My only wonderment or question on using the name of Jesus would be that in our current modern English language, saying "Yeshua" would be
"more accurate" to the actual name as he walked here on Earth.   However, in consideration of the original Greek, tradition, and general culture, using the translation of "Jesus" is not a big deal as people make it.   We say both Yeshua and Jesus in our home.
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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2012, 01:55:44 AM »

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

1.  The English didn't invent the "character" of Jesus for the name Jesus is translated from the Greek Iησούς

2.  What is "original monotheism?"

3.  Can one have a sense of humor in your religion?   Huh

Original Monotheism by historical record would be Zoroastrianism (by historians).   Of course, since the Torah goes back to the beginning, by religious records, the Jews held the original.

Yeshua = Aramaic
Transliterated into Greek to the sound = iesus  (Greeks don't have the SH sound or Y)
Which King James transliterated to "Jesus", as the J sound and I sound were intermixed in old English (as well as latin).   We today say the hard "J" sound for the letter "J".

Some people get all bent out of shape on the name "Jesus" and call it a "complete scandal".   It's simply not true.  For my personal wonderment, I meddle and wonder why we all shouldn't call him Yeshua since in our English language we can easily spell it and pronounce it.   Kind of a "more perfect way".  I'm kind of at peace with it all though, and saying Jesus is traditional, and gives credit to the Greek texts.
We have been over this before: no, English speakers can NOT "easily spell it and pronounce it." That's not an "a" at the end:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_pharyngeal_fricative

Btw, Zoroastrianism wasn't monotheistic. It was dualistic.

Interesting, got me to wondering. (not that its all that important) but here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism it states "Zoroastrianism is a tradition that has nourished and sustained the lives of its adherents for countless generations. It combines cosmogonic dualism and escathological monotheism in a manner unique to itself among the religions of the world. Zoroastrianism proclaims a movement through time from dualism to monotheism".

Well, can't say we don't learn something new every day.   Funny a history channel documentary stated it was the oldest monotheistic faith.  Weird.
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I love how this thread has essentially turned on differing phonemic inventories. Phonological apostasy is so much better than regular ol' apostasy.

Wait...what do you mean we're not supposed to be onomatodox? I'm sorry, but I believe this calls for at least one "is outrage"!  Wink
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Yeah, I don't completely understand the reformed Judaism surges.  The Aramaic is important however, if you want to understand the linguistics of the day of Christ. Often though people get it wrong because they get all bent out of shape and say "Jesus" is absolutely incorrect.

My only wonderment or question on using the name of Jesus would be that in our current modern English language, saying "Yeshua" would be
"more accurate" to the actual name as he walked here on Earth.   However, in consideration of the original Greek, tradition, and general culture, using the translation of "Jesus" is not a big deal as people make it.   We say both Yeshua and Jesus in our home.

Do you also say Emmanuel?

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« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2012, 02:05:15 AM »

I was in ROCR but i realized i have to be more traditional than them even and go back earlier to Yashua himself. I cannot believe that mainstream Orthodoxy has turned into this...

What did you find wrong with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR)?
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Curious, are you some sort of Neo Ebionite? Certaintly not muslim (muslims never tend to call Christ Yeshua). But how is it that one Jewish pharisee could singlehandedly initate the great the apostasy? I've never understood this line of reasoning when it comes to Muslims or Neo Ebionites or whatever strange Messianic sect that says this. Questions need to be answered.

Was Saint Paul a deliberate deceiver? Or simply naive?

Why didn't the apostles ever confront him and why is there no record of this?

Given that historically the apostles accepted Saint Paul what caused him to become a bad egg or why did they accept such a man?

Alot to account for with this theory and by the end of it you'll be lucky if you have but a fraction of your faith.
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Funny a history channel documentary stated it was the oldest monotheistic faith.  Weird.

That's your problem, right there.
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Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.


Why would you base anything on an Internet forum? You want serious? Go to Mt. Athos and talk to an experienced spiritual father. Then you will find help you need. You need to stop trusting your own mind as the arbiter of truth.
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« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2012, 10:54:22 AM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.



I am absolutely SHOCKED that this would be posted! There is no one serious anymore. May Yashua come soon to end the world.

I don't take seriously people who use the bizarre term "Yashua." If you can't say "Jesus," you have the problem.
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Unbelievable! I am never stepping another foot into an Eastern Orthodox church

It does not seem you ever visited. And, if you did, you did not leave your heresy at the door.
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Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.

And Mohammed was better?
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Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Every true religion has a Web site AND an Internet forum. The Web site tells you everything they believe and the forum is for catechesis and philosophical discussion. It has always been this way.
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Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

Oldest religion in the world.

No blood, no Trinity, no incarnate gods, etc.

Ah, now we see you speaking your ignorant heresy plainly.
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Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Every true religion has a Web site AND an Internet forum. The Web site tells you everything they believe and the forum is for catechesis and philosophical discussion. It has always been this way.

Unto the ages of ages.
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« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2012, 11:00:20 AM »

AMARTIN, I have a question....have you read the Jeffersonian Bible lately? This is really starting to sound like his beliefs.....

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« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2012, 11:01:57 AM »

if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.

I don't think he was ever in the Church. That said, as the OP listens to none by his own mind, nothing anyone says otherwise will accomplish anything. He and those like him need prayer.
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« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2012, 11:04:10 AM »

if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.

I don't think he was ever in the Church. That said, as the OP listens to none by his own mind, nothing anyone says otherwise will accomplish anything. He and those like him need prayer.

But people like ME need threads like his for entertainment. Don't ruin this for me!!
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« Reply #102 on: April 25, 2012, 11:05:25 AM »

And where, pray tell, does "Isa" fit into all this, amartin? I mean, the only Isa I know posts here, and something tells me you're not talking about him...

Isa is Yashua. The first letter is transliterated as "Y" or "I". For example, Jews spell "Yisrael" and "Israel."

The better question is: who the heck is "Jesus" Huh There was NOBODY named Jesus. He is a fake character invented by the English.

The real man is Isa (pronounced: Yashua)

You need to take better care of your mental health.
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« Reply #103 on: April 25, 2012, 11:06:46 AM »

I wonder if amartin is also ishak a whole ago, who was just as disturbing in his posts?
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« Reply #104 on: April 25, 2012, 11:08:27 AM »

I really do want to know if amartin got these views from the Jeffersonian Bible. He also attack St. Paul and the miracles, and the trinity, and he also was no friend of the Hebrews.

Where I live, Jefferson is almost worshipped, so I've heard this stuff before.

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I don't take seriously people who use the bizarre term "Yashua." If you can't say "Jesus," you have the problem.
Are you KJV-only?
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« Reply #106 on: April 25, 2012, 11:39:22 AM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.


Your concerns are addressed from an Orthodox perspective by Fr. J on his blog. Please read this article in relation to Andrew Sullivan's so called 'Easter' article in Newsweek from earlier this month.

"It takes an institution -- or rather, the institutional manifestation of the True City, the Body of Christ -- to come up with words like "consubstantiality," "hypostasis," "union without confusion."

These are hard words. Christianity, like it or not, is complicated. And in this vale of sorrows, it cannot escape the contours and rhetoric of institutionality. God is certainly not limited by these contours, but we are.

So Andrew Sullivan has written nothing new. And some people will, every year, throw away their institutional membership cards out of frustration and despair. They will try to keep their "simple" Jesus.

But He, as Him, will not stay that way. Stumbling stones simply cannot.

It is better, on this Western Good Friday, to keep a simple silence, and to bear up under one's Cross."
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« Reply #107 on: April 25, 2012, 11:47:31 AM »

Yeah, I don't completely understand the reformed Judaism surges.  The Aramaic is important however, if you want to understand the linguistics of the day of Christ. Often though people get it wrong because they get all bent out of shape and say "Jesus" is absolutely incorrect.

My only wonderment or question on using the name of Jesus would be that in our current modern English language, saying "Yeshua" would be
"more accurate" to the actual name as he walked here on Earth.   However, in consideration of the original Greek, tradition, and general culture, using the translation of "Jesus" is not a big deal as people make it.   We say both Yeshua and Jesus in our home.

Do you also say Emmanuel?



Not always.  Emmanuel meant "god with us".  Scriptures say "he will be called Emmanuel", not "he will be NAMED Emmanuel".   So yes, I say that Yeshua/Jesus was God with us, or Emmanuel.
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« Reply #108 on: April 25, 2012, 11:49:18 AM »

I really do want to know if amartin got these views from the Jeffersonian Bible. He also attack St. Paul and the miracles, and the trinity, and he also was no friend of the Hebrews.

Where I live, Jefferson is almost worshipped, so I've heard this stuff before.

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I really do want to know if amartin got these views from the Jeffersonian Bible. He also attack St. Paul and the miracles, and the trinity, and he also was no friend of the Hebrews.

Where I live, Jefferson is almost worshipped, so I've heard this stuff before.

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« Reply #110 on: April 25, 2012, 12:09:00 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.



I am absolutely SHOCKED that this would be posted! There is no one serious anymore. May Yashua come soon to end the world.

I don't take seriously people who use the bizarre term "Yashua." If you can't say "Jesus," you have the problem.

I'm absolutely not saying anything in support of the OP.

But you basically just said that the Lord's name, of Yeshua, as spoken in Aramaic, is a bizarre term.  It was transliterated in Greek, then to Old English as Jesus.   I have no problem with saying Jesus, but I believe saying Yeshua is more phonetically correct, and a more correct way of "praying in his name".  I absolutely do not believe that saying "Jesus" is wrong, but to call "Yeshua" a bizarre term, some may even call that blasphemy.

I think understanding Yeshua/Jesus and how we got there, using both, adds to the richness and respect towards all the cultures and languages.  It doesn't change who he was or our God, it was just our languages that were different.   We use both pronunciations in our home, and teach our children it both ways.  We teach them that he was called Yeshua as he walked on Earth, by his disciples, his parents, and those who knew of him.  We go on to teach them as the New Testament was recorded in Greek, how the sounds of his name did not exist in the Greek language, so as his message spread, the way we say his name was different.  When we read the scriptures, we say Jesus.  We often pray saying Jesus.  At supper, we pray using Yeshua.  

People get all bent out of shape over a simple "issue" that could just add richness and understanding to their faith.   They often act as though it changes the God they are praying to.   It doesn't.  Yeshua was the son of Maryam.  Jesus was the son of Maryam.  Jesus was the son of Mary.  Yeshua was the son of Mary.  It's the same people, the same God, just a language difference.  It's actually kind of neat, and I don't see it as bad to say either.
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« Reply #111 on: April 25, 2012, 12:28:27 PM »

It is not the name itself that is bizarre, Yeshu'isiam, it's the ideology behind it. Nobody will tell the Syriacs, for instance, not to pray in the name of Moran 'Isho Mshiho, but likewise there is no reason why it should be necessary that anyone outside of that tradition adopt Aramaic or Syriac posturing in their prayer just because of some strange need for "authenticity". It is Christ and the religion of Christianity itself that is authentic. This is after all as the Byzantines put it, the faith that established the universe. Given that fact, it shouldn't even be debatable that it is in fact authentic in Greek, and Latin, and Inuktitut, and Mongolian, and Tlingit, and German, and Walloon, and whatever other language just as much as it is in Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic, Ancient Greek, or any other more traditional language of worship. Lose sight of that and you risk making Christianity into a fetish in the worst possible meaning of that term.
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« Reply #112 on: April 25, 2012, 12:36:34 PM »

WOW - some thread...!

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« Reply #113 on: April 25, 2012, 12:48:02 PM »

Christ is Risen!

I was in ROCR but i realized i have to be more traditional than them even and go back earlier to Yashua himself. I cannot believe that mainstream Orthodoxy has turned into this...

"Mainstream" Orthodoxy has not turned into anything like what you think it is.  However, a thread on an Orthodox Christian discussion board that begins with a formal denouncement of Christ can only go three ways:

1. We can try to talk you out of it.  However, your entire posting history has indicated that you're not really open to this.  So...
2. We can try to tell you about how bad of a decision this is.  However, you've already indicated in this thread that you don't care.  So...
3. We can make light of your post and this thread.  We'll keep praying for you despite your pronouncement.

In the end it seems a bit hypocritical for you to be so incensed that Orthodoxy "has come to this" when you've openly declared that you don't care what we believe.  If your intention was to actually start a discussion (which is, of course, the purpose of a discussion board), then you've neglected to share the pertinent information that would give us your full perspective - i.e. what your new-found faith/religion is called, what it fully believes, etc.  So it's only natural for people to fill in the blanks that you've left with whatever their imagination can come up with.

Yes, I'm sure there are some who have participated in this thread who could have been more charitable in their responses, but you should either quit the "I'm shocked!" routine and actually engage the discussion, or just let the thread devolve into whatever it wants to.
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« Reply #114 on: April 25, 2012, 01:19:03 PM »

If a person is named Stephen, but he goes to visit France, they'll call him Etienne.

Yet, it is the same person.

Spellings change from year to year and place to place. They just do. It's not a crime.
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« Reply #115 on: April 25, 2012, 01:49:02 PM »

Nope, this guy has been weird from post #1

Greetings.

I was thinking about why/how God allows the suffering of innocent children. For example, thousands die every year from starvation.

To account for this, for a while I believed that God transcends desire, willing, and action.

But from a scientific perspective, could it be possible that God is at such a high vibrational frequency that God cannot automatically change things in the physical realm, which exists at an infinitely lower frequency? For example, spirits can walk through walls but they cannot easily change physical things. Could the same apply to God, but at infinitely higher levels?

Thanks for your input...

It's the vibrational frequency... yes... it's so clear now. Why didn't I ever think of that before?

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« Reply #116 on: April 25, 2012, 02:06:58 PM »

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« Reply #117 on: April 25, 2012, 02:21:59 PM »

May the prayers of St. Varus intercede for Mr. Martin.
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« Reply #118 on: April 25, 2012, 03:02:39 PM »

If a person is named Stephen, but he goes to visit France, they'll call him Etienne.

Yet, it is the same person.

Spellings change from year to year and place to place. They just do. It's not a crime.

Yes, this is the exact way I see it.  No crimes. Nothing wrong between the names Yeshua and Jesus.

We use both because we love the richness and traditions of both names.  In fact we find it very nice because it brings in the culture and linguistics from the worldwide church body.    Many priests here in America will say "Christ is Risen - Christos Voskrese - etc."  I've heard it in 5 languages... Means the same thing.   Using Yeshua or Jesus is both right, just as using Christ or Christos is right. 
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« Reply #119 on: April 25, 2012, 03:06:22 PM »

Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce the AMartanity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I have my infinite reward of reeses' peanut butter cups reduced to an infinite reward of dark chocolate reese's peanut butter cups. I now follow only the Christianity taught by the historical man Saul of Tarsus. I no longer believe that the eternal religioners are his followers. Amartin initiated the Great Apostasy.


This is supposed to be serious. There is nothing serious anymore in "Christianity." Everything is light-hearted nowadays. I cannot believe this! The Apostasy just keeps getting worse and worse.



I am absolutely SHOCKED that this would be posted! There is no one serious anymore. May Yashua come soon to end the world.

I don't take seriously people who use the bizarre term "Yashua." If you can't say "Jesus," you have the problem.

I'm absolutely not saying anything in support of the OP.

But you basically just said that the Lord's name, of Yeshua, as spoken in Aramaic, is a bizarre term.  It was transliterated in Greek, then to Old English as Jesus.   I have no problem with saying Jesus, but I believe saying Yeshua is more phonetically correct, and a more correct way of "praying in his name".  I absolutely do not believe that saying "Jesus" is wrong, but to call "Yeshua" a bizarre term, some may even call that blasphemy.

I think understanding Yeshua/Jesus and how we got there, using both, adds to the richness and respect towards all the cultures and languages.  It doesn't change who he was or our God, it was just our languages that were different.   We use both pronunciations in our home, and teach our children it both ways.  We teach them that he was called Yeshua as he walked on Earth, by his disciples, his parents, and those who knew of him.  We go on to teach them as the New Testament was recorded in Greek, how the sounds of his name did not exist in the Greek language, so as his message spread, the way we say his name was different.  When we read the scriptures, we say Jesus.  We often pray saying Jesus.  At supper, we pray using Yeshua.  

People get all bent out of shape over a simple "issue" that could just add richness and understanding to their faith.   They often act as though it changes the God they are praying to.   It doesn't.  Yeshua was the son of Maryam.  Jesus was the son of Maryam.  Jesus was the son of Mary.  Yeshua was the son of Mary.  It's the same people, the same God, just a language difference.  It's actually kind of neat, and I don't see it as bad to say either.

OP said YASHUA, not YESHUA. Is it tomayto, tomahto? It didn't appear that way to me.
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« Reply #120 on: April 25, 2012, 03:08:06 PM »

If a person is named Stephen, but he goes to visit France, they'll call him Etienne.

Yet, it is the same person.

Spellings change from year to year and place to place. They just do. It's not a crime.

Again, he was hooked on it, and misspelled it consistently.
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« Reply #121 on: April 25, 2012, 03:09:39 PM »

If a person is named Stephen, but he goes to visit France, they'll call him Etienne.

Yet, it is the same person.

Spellings change from year to year and place to place. They just do. It's not a crime.

Yes, this is the exact way I see it.  No crimes. Nothing wrong between the names Yeshua and Jesus.

We use both because we love the richness and traditions of both names.  In fact we find it very nice because it brings in the culture and linguistics from the worldwide church body.    Many priests here in America will say "Christ is Risen - Christos Voskrese - etc."  I've heard it in 5 languages... Means the same thing.   Using Yeshua or Jesus is both right, just as using Christ or Christos is right. 


Again, the OP was insanely separating Jesus from Yashua, whoever that is. Maybe I'm just dense.
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« Reply #122 on: April 25, 2012, 08:26:53 PM »

Man, turn your back for just a moment and look what happens.



Aindriu, where did you get popcorn eating smiley?

I was going to suggest that the OP was part of the "Hebrew Roots Movement" of Protestantism, they reject Paul, but I think there's few things been said that go beyond that.
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« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2012, 08:52:45 PM »

I searched for an appropriately Aramaic smiley for our OP, and I swear to ORIGINAL MONOTHEISM that this came up relatively early:



I'm choosing to take that as a sign that amartin's god is upset with this stupid thread. Flee! Flee from the wrath of Yahoshouisa.
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« Reply #125 on: April 25, 2012, 08:56:41 PM »

Dan Rather just emailed - is the op's real name Kenneth by any chance? ( Embarrassed )

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« Reply #127 on: April 25, 2012, 10:24:58 PM »

I have been pondering about the title of this thread: I formally renounce..."-- not "I informally renounce.." or "I renounce..." but " formally..."

How can one do that on the Internet? in a blog? I mean, why wasn't that nailed on the door of Saint Nicholas Cathedral or other suitable formal structure?
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« Reply #128 on: April 25, 2012, 10:30:35 PM »

If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence.

I believe God will be merciful upon those who have no idea what they're talking about.


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Google. Posted as a picture.

Thanks, it just fits this, so well.  Grin
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My only wonderment or question on using the name of Jesus would be that in our current modern English language, saying "Yeshua" would be
"more accurate" to the actual name as he walked here on Earth.   However, in consideration of the original Greek, tradition, and general culture, using the translation of "Jesus" is not a big deal as people make it.   We say both Yeshua and Jesus in our home.

If we start down that road, Confucius, Moses and Julius Caesar would all like a word with you as well. Not to mention places like Germany, Japan and Warsaw, or the month of January or the algebra classes they teach at your local high-school. That's just not how languages work. Once a word--including a proper name--has become fully naturalized it undergoes sound changes like any other word in the language and is very 'sticky'.

We say Jesus because every native-speaker of English knows who that refers too. We don't say Yeshua any more than we say Zhongguo or pronounce the 'k' and the 'gh' in 'knight'--because while English speakers with specialized knowledge might know what you were talking about, most wouldn't. And people generally prefer to communicate without having to place (or hear) a dictionary entry after every word if they can avoid it.
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« Reply #132 on: April 26, 2012, 01:04:43 AM »

If someone insists on calling Jesus only Yeshua, why not go all the way? Everyone knows what the names Yesheyahu, Yechezkel, and Yirmiyahu refer to!
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« Reply #133 on: April 26, 2012, 10:05:18 AM »

I have been pondering about the title of this thread: I formally renounce..."-- not "I informally renounce.." or "I renounce..." but " formally..."

How can one do that on the Internet? in a blog? I mean, why wasn't that nailed on the door of Saint Nicholas Cathedral or other suitable formal structure?

Even that is informal.  Personally, I think the only formal renunciation would be a signed letter that you personally staple to your primate's vestments during any of the processions at Liturgy.
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I have been pondering about the title of this thread: I formally renounce..."-- not "I informally renounce.." or "I renounce..." but " formally..."

How can one do that on the Internet? in a blog? I mean, why wasn't that nailed on the door of Saint Nicholas Cathedral or other suitable formal structure?
Because not only does he not understand the teachings of Christ, but he doesn't get vocabulary very well either.
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i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!
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« Reply #136 on: April 26, 2012, 08:54:31 PM »

 I think I called him out on being the same person who posted a while back on being an Eastern Orthodox Christian in the secret society of Leo who venerates Nestorius as a saint.
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I think I called him out on being the same person who posted a while back on being an Eastern Orthodox Christian in the secret society of Leo who venerates Nestorius as a saint.

That would do it.  Im sure he'll be back eventually.  Maybe next time he will be an Orthodox Christian whos patron saint is John Calvin.
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Unbelievable!
Are you becoming a messianic jew?

No certainly not. They have corrupted the scriptures by animal sacrifices, genital mutilation, and genocide. The Jews are a perverse people. They have also denied the messengers.
Then can you tell us where you've gotten your new religion? Who else is part of it? Do they have a website?

Its the religion of Adam, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, and Yashua (Isa)

Oldest religion in the world.

No blood, no Trinity, no incarnate gods, etc.

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i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

They haven't logged in since the 24th... perhaps they are collecting their notes  angel
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« Reply #140 on: April 27, 2012, 12:04:06 AM »

I bet it's hard to translate his arguments from the ancient Aramaic scrolls of ORIGINAL MONOTHEISM that his Islamimyaslavieshintoist religion is surely based on. Plus he has to wash his hands a lot to make sure that all his daily interactions with heretics outside of his mom's basement don't contaminate him with corrupting heathen frequencies or whatever. Give him some time.
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« Reply #141 on: April 27, 2012, 08:35:55 PM »

i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

Hallelujah! You can start by not eating human flesh or drinking blood. That is forbidden...
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« Reply #142 on: April 27, 2012, 08:54:50 PM »

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i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

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then what?
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i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

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i mean, we're all curious. you renounced Christianity, but didnt really clarify as to why.  i would just like a little more of an explanation is all.
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« Reply #145 on: April 27, 2012, 11:28:40 PM »

i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

Hallelujah! You can start by not eating human flesh or drinking blood. That is forbidden...

i mean, we're all curious. you renounced Christianity, but didnt really clarify as to why.  i would just like a little more of an explanation is all.
He realized that Nestorius wasn't Chalcedonian? Or as some Western theologians put it, he realized Nestorius wasn't Nestorian?  Tongue
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Greetings. This is my post announcing that I formally renounce Christianity. If I am wrong on the Day of Judgement then may I be condemned for my insolence. I now follow only the eternal religion taught by the historical man Yashua. I no longer believe that the Christians are his followers. Saul of Tarsus initiated the Great Apostasy.

Sorry but its too late, you can not renounce Christianity!

Once you learn about it, its too late, you cant just leave.

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i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

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Amartin,

What other people of the 21st century are in your religion? I mean besides Yeshua, Mohommad, Arjuna, Moses, AKhenaten, Zoroaster, etc.

People who were born within 100 years of today.
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« Reply #148 on: April 29, 2012, 12:46:47 AM »

i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

Hallelujah! You can start by not eating human flesh or drinking blood. That is forbidden...

i mean, we're all curious. you renounced Christianity, but didnt really clarify as to why.  i would just like a little more of an explanation is all.
He realized that Nestorius wasn't Chalcedonian? Or as some Western theologians put it, he realized Nestorius wasn't Nestorian?  Tongue
I come back realizing that this might be misunderstood.  Two different thoughts, nothing to do with each other...either way, just showing amartin is as confused a man as ishak.
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« Reply #149 on: April 29, 2012, 12:51:33 AM »

amartin, you Baha'i bro?
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i have been waiting for amartin to respond again.  i want to know more about his new religion!

Hallelujah! You can start by not eating human flesh or drinking blood. That is forbidden...

i mean, we're all curious. you renounced Christianity, but didnt really clarify as to why.  i would just like a little more of an explanation is all.
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amartin, you Baha'i bro?

Ah...I think you are on to something with this. Where I used to live in Oregon there were many, many Baha'is (they are identifiable by their distinctive dress), and they preached similarly to amartin, pretending to know Christianity better than Christ yet holding to all kinds of bizarre heresies borne of their universalist outlook. Absolutely the worst of the many kooky sects and belief systems in the area...like the bastard child of Unitarian Universalism and Islam in stupid headgear. (Not to keep harping on that, but as all but one of these crazies that I ever saw or interacted with were quite transparently gullible middle class trust fund hippie white folks, living in the Pacific Northwest which is decidedly not 19th century Persia, it was some amazingly advanced LARP-ing. Hyperdox Herman ain't got nothing on these folks.)
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« Reply #152 on: April 29, 2012, 02:11:00 AM »

if this person is posting honestly, then all the joking is just pushing him further and further away. perhaps the notion that someone is apostasizing from the Church should be taken seriously.

I don't think he was ever in the Church. That said, as the OP listens to none by his own mind, nothing anyone says otherwise will accomplish anything. He and those like him need prayer.

On the internet, it's difficult to say who went to church or got chrismated into Orthodoxy.  :-)  There's no way of knowing for certain..
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amartin, you Baha'i bro?

Ah...I think you are on to something with this. Where I used to live in Oregon there were many, many Baha'is (they are identifiable by their distinctive dress), and they preached similarly to amartin, pretending to know Christianity better than Christ yet holding to all kinds of bizarre heresies borne of their universalist outlook. Absolutely the worst of the many kooky sects and belief systems in the area...like the bastard child of Unitarian Universalism and Islam in stupid headgear. (Not to keep harping on that, but as all but one of these crazies that I ever saw or interacted with were quite transparently gullible middle class trust fund hippie white folks, living in the Pacific Northwest which is decidedly not 19th century Persia, it was some amazingly advanced LARP-ing. Hyperdox Herman ain't got nothing on these folks.)

Strange, all of the Baha'i's in my city dress like regular people.  I wouldn't be able to tell them from anyone else, unless they specifically said what their religion was.  Grin  But yeah I agree the "Oneness of religion, mankind, etc." can seem hippie-ish... including the fact that they aren't supposed to get into politics or "contention and conflict".  At least some of the hippies would take a stand on certain key issues...
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This may be the funniest thing I've seen all year  Grin  I watched the clip and thought "Chalcedonian" every time she said "Christian"... pure awesomeness.
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This may be the funniest thing I've seen all year  Grin  I watched the clip and thought "Chalcedonian" every time she said "Christian"... pure awesomeness.
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« Reply #156 on: April 29, 2012, 08:48:00 AM »

Oh God she's scary.  Talk about dark-sided.
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Strange, all of the Baha'i's in my city dress like regular people.  I wouldn't be able to tell them from anyone else, unless they specifically said what their religion was.  Grin  But yeah I agree the "Oneness of religion, mankind, etc." can seem hippie-ish... including the fact that they aren't supposed to get into politics or "contention and conflict".  At least some of the hippies would take a stand on certain key issues...

Haha. Yeah, well...Eugene, Oregon is a bit of a strange place. The Baha'i I had the displeasure of interacting with were generally wrapped in small turbans and robes (like these guys). You would be forgiven for mistaking them for Sikhs if it weren't for the fact that they kept their beards and moustaches trimmed. Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that they were all like that (I'm sure there were plenty more who were just regular people), only the LARPers, who after all are kind of supposed to be more immediately identifiable than the norm. What's the point of being a Paladin/Baha'i/ultra-super-mega Orthodox/Renaissance Fair knight or whatever if don't get to dress the part? Smiley
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amartin, you Baha'i bro?

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At least the game is still going!
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Manichean? Sufi?
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« Reply #161 on: April 29, 2012, 12:35:59 PM »

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So this really is getting to be like a game of Twenty Questions then, isn't it? So do we need to establish some rules for questions? Like does an actual guess count as a question, or are the questions that count only the ones leading up to the guess? If we don't get it in twenty questions do you tell us the answer? And does anyone have a count on how many questions have actually been asked anyway?
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This may be the funniest thing I've seen all year  Grin  I watched the clip and thought "Chalcedonian" every time she said "Christian"... pure awesomeness.

I watched the clip

Wow..Not seen that before... Really really beautiful.
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So this really is getting to be like a game of Twenty Questions then, isn't it? So do we need to establish some rules for questions? Like does an actual guess count as a question, or are the questions that count only the ones leading up to the guess? If we don't get it in twenty questions do you tell us the answer? And does anyone have a count on how many questions have actually been asked anyway?

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« Reply #165 on: April 29, 2012, 05:30:19 PM »

I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.
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« Reply #166 on: April 29, 2012, 05:35:54 PM »

I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.

That's close to Baha'i?
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« Reply #167 on: April 29, 2012, 05:36:39 PM »

I am an Essene.
These ones?

Or, more likely, these ones?
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« Reply #168 on: April 29, 2012, 05:37:15 PM »

The Essenes were a Jewish sect, weren't they? Anyway, when are you going to quit the b.s.?
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« Reply #169 on: April 29, 2012, 05:42:47 PM »

http://www.essene.org/Essene_Doctrine.htm#D11

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We believe that the false apostle Paul, who certainly never met Yahshua and most likely never met Miriam, led an attack against early Essene Christianity, then founded a watered-down form of Christianity best termed "Paulianity". Paul threw out many of Yahshua and Miriam’s central teachings including vegetarianism, the feminine aspect of God, women's rights and the prohibition against slavery.

We believe that Paulianity evolved into the Roman Catholic Church and gave birth to all of mainstream Christianity. Thus, mainstream Christianity today, which uses a Pauline New Testament that includes more words of Paul than words of Yahshua, is as much based on the teachings of Paul as of Yahshua. We believe that the teachings of Paul are very different than the teachings of Yahshua and Miriam, and thus Paulianity is a deficient form of Christianity.



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I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.

Do you live a communal life?  One of the most striking examples of Essene piety, indeed the thing that made them "Essenes", was their strict communal life.  I would love to hear about your experiences in communal living.
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Or, more likely, these ones?


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« Reply #172 on: April 29, 2012, 05:49:21 PM »

We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.
Which branch of Essenes do you follow? Can you give me their website?
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« Reply #173 on: April 29, 2012, 05:52:09 PM »

I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.

Do you live a communal life?  One of the most striking examples of Essene piety, indeed the thing that made them "Essenes", was their strict communal life.  I would love to hear about your experiences in communal living.

The Essenes and early followers of Yashua believed in communalism. I have lived in communes. But they are generally not spiritual enough.
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« Reply #174 on: April 29, 2012, 05:52:20 PM »

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes

And why does Mary Magdalene look like La Toya Jackson?
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Or, more likely, these ones?
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She also seems to be Chipmunkbearing...
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The Essenes were a Jewish sect, weren't they? Anyway, when are you going to quit the b.s.?

NO! The Essenes were absolutely not a Jewish sect. The Jews were from the tribe of Judah that went astray while held captive in Babylon. Their priestly scribes invented the False Law of Moses that requires animal sacrifices. The ancient Essenes had a completely different Law from Moses which was very simple, and was re-established by Yashua. The Essenes are absolutely not Jewish in any way whatsoever. Abraham, Moses, and Yashua were not Jews. Judaism was the religion of a tribe that become one of the two kingdoms in the land. Don't be duped.
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« Reply #177 on: April 29, 2012, 05:58:20 PM »

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes

And why does Mary Magdalene look like La Toya Jackson?


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The Essenes were a Jewish sect, weren't they? Anyway, when are you going to quit the b.s.?

NO! The Essenes were absolutely not a Jewish sect. The Jews were from the tribe of Judah that went astray while held captive in Babylon. Their priestly scribes invented the False Law of Moses that requires animal sacrifices.
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« Reply #179 on: April 29, 2012, 05:59:46 PM »

The Essenes were a Jewish sect, weren't they? Anyway, when are you going to quit the b.s.?

NO! The Essenes were absolutely not a Jewish sect. The Jews were from the tribe of Judah that went astray while held captive in Babylon. Their priestly scribes invented the False Law of Moses that requires animal sacrifices. The ancient Essenes had a completely different Law from Moses which was very simple, and was re-established by Yashua. The Essenes are absolutely not Jewish in any way whatsoever. Abraham, Moses, and Yashua were not Jews. Judaism was the religion of a tribe that become one of the two kingdoms in the land. Don't be duped.
Do you have any peer-reviewed scholarship to back this up, or do you believe that scholars and historians are corrupt?
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« Reply #180 on: April 29, 2012, 06:00:22 PM »

The Essenes were a Jewish sect, weren't they? Anyway, when are you going to quit the b.s.?

NO! The Essenes were absolutely not a Jewish sect. The Jews were from the tribe of Judah that went astray while held captive in Babylon. Their priestly scribes invented the False Law of Moses that requires animal sacrifices. The ancient Essenes had a completely different Law from Moses which was very simple, and was re-established by Yashua. The Essenes are absolutely not Jewish in any way whatsoever. Abraham, Moses, and Yashua were not Jews. Judaism was the religion of a tribe that become one of the two kingdoms in the land. Don't be duped.

That'd be a big surprise to all the Jewish people I've ever met.

Kid, knock it off, we know you're pulling our collective leg.
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« Reply #181 on: April 29, 2012, 06:00:58 PM »

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes

And why does Mary Magdalene look like La Toya Jackson?


The entire world IS in apostasy because they are not spiritual. Very few people are spiritual these days. This should be obvious. If you do not see that the world is in apostasy then you are spiritually blind. But people can be saved from any religion if they have a relationship with God, are faithful in their daily prayers, and do good deeds. Unfortunately, most religionists do nothing for their spirituality.

And i have no idea what that picture is.
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« Reply #182 on: April 29, 2012, 06:02:23 PM »

You trust Jews? Did Abraham or Moses ever hear of the word Jew or Judaism??? No, absolutely not. Its made up by the Jews themselves. Do your research.

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« Reply #183 on: April 29, 2012, 06:05:42 PM »

You trust Jews? Did Abraham or Moses ever hear of the word Jew or Judaism??? No, absolutely not. Its made up by the Jews themselves. Do your research.


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« Reply #184 on: April 29, 2012, 06:06:15 PM »

The Essenes were a Jewish sect, weren't they? Anyway, when are you going to quit the b.s.?

NO! The Essenes were absolutely not a Jewish sect. The Jews were from the tribe of Judah that went astray while held captive in Babylon. Their priestly scribes invented the False Law of Moses that requires animal sacrifices. The ancient Essenes had a completely different Law from Moses which was very simple, and was re-established by Yashua. The Essenes are absolutely not Jewish in any way whatsoever. Abraham, Moses, and Yashua were not Jews. Judaism was the religion of a tribe that become one of the two kingdoms in the land. Don't be duped.
Do you have any peer-reviewed scholarship to back this up, or do you believe that scholars and historians are corrupt?

All you have to do is to research and think about it. The terms Jew and Judaism were invented by the Jews themselves. Abraham and Moses have never heard of the nonsense. They were not Jews.
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« Reply #185 on: April 29, 2012, 06:08:41 PM »

Oh boy, another roving fruitloop who has a theory on why his cult and no one else are the 'true Jews.'  Roll Eyes Again, kid, give it a rest. And I thought the Yahweh ben Yahweh cult was goofy.
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« Reply #186 on: April 29, 2012, 06:09:50 PM »

You trust Jews? Did Abraham or Moses ever hear of the word Jew or Judaism??? No, absolutely not. Its made up by the Jews themselves. Do your research.



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« Reply #187 on: April 29, 2012, 06:17:55 PM »

The "spiritual" Essenes, with their ORIGINAL MONOTHEISM, never used the internet, either...guess you better go away forever, for fear of compromising your "spiritual" status. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #188 on: April 29, 2012, 07:52:50 PM »

Oh boy, another roving fruitloop who has a theory on why his cult and no one else are the 'true Jews.'  Roll Eyes Again, kid, give it a rest. And I thought the Yahweh ben Yahweh cult was goofy.

What? I am not a Jew. The whole Judaism thing is b.s.
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« Reply #189 on: April 29, 2012, 08:25:10 PM »

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« Reply #190 on: April 29, 2012, 08:29:53 PM »

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes

And why does Mary Magdalene look like La Toya Jackson?


I was going to say, a much younger Oprah...

I think she looks like a mix between Oprah and Nicy from Reno 911, except slimmer.
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« Reply #191 on: April 29, 2012, 08:35:34 PM »

Or, more likely, these ones?
Today is the Sunday of the Myrrhbearing women and what is this

Notice the double helix descending upon the holy spirit descending upon black mary magdalene.

She also seems to be Chipmunkbearing...

+ 30 billion.  Cheesy
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« Reply #193 on: April 29, 2012, 08:43:59 PM »

Grazie.   Cheesy
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« Reply #194 on: April 29, 2012, 09:05:17 PM »

This guy had to be at least related to ishaq:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1900
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« Reply #195 on: April 29, 2012, 09:23:51 PM »

http://www.essene.org/Essene_Doctrine.htm#D11

This link seems to correlate somewhat with what our friend has been pushing.

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We believe that the false apostle Paul, who certainly never met Yahshua and most likely never met Miriam, led an attack against early Essene Christianity, then founded a watered-down form of Christianity best termed "Paulianity". Paul threw out many of Yahshua and Miriam’s central teachings including vegetarianism, the feminine aspect of God, women's rights and the prohibition against slavery.

We believe that Paulianity evolved into the Roman Catholic Church and gave birth to all of mainstream Christianity. Thus, mainstream Christianity today, which uses a Pauline New Testament that includes more words of Paul than words of Yahshua, is as much based on the teachings of Paul as of Yahshua. We believe that the teachings of Paul are very different than the teachings of Yahshua and Miriam, and thus Paulianity is a deficient form of Christianity.



Founded by this guy.

Dig around on the site, if you like. It's kinda weird.

At least they have a really legit looking website.
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At least they have a really legit looking website.

Lol. I really like the chart Grin:
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TOPICS OF COMPARISON      ESSENES        PAUL  
Women permitted to speak in church   YES   NO
Women required to wear head covering as as sign of submission to their husbands   NO   YES
Women required to submit to the authority of their husbands as if their husbands were Jesus Christ    NO   YES
Women were created for men Men were not created for women    NO    YES
Women and men have equal rights    YES   NO
God is both Father and Mother    YES    NO
God is only Father, not Mother    NO    YES
Okay to eat meat    NO    YES
Okay to eat meat that has been sacrificed to demonic idols    NO    YES
Slavery is permitted    NO    YES
Christians can even own other Christians as slaves    NO    YES
Salvation is dependent on following the saving teachings of Jesus    YES   NO
Salvation is dependent on belief in the sacrificial death of Jesus on the Cross    NO    YES
Belief in reincarnation in the context of a cosmic school system    YES   NO
Based on this life only, you will either go to heaven (if you believe in Jesus's sacrificial death) or will burn in hell for eternity    NO    YES
Teachings based on the words of Jesus    YES   NO
Teachings based on the ideas of Paul    NO    YES
Use a New Testament with many more words of Paul than Jesus    NO    YES
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« Reply #197 on: April 30, 2012, 03:30:48 AM »

What a bunch of stupid, arrogant, and useless hippie crap. So the entire world went into apostasy except for your reconstituted (read: made up) sect, which lives on via internet websites based in Oregon? What are the odds! Roll Eyes

And why does Mary Magdalene look like La Toya Jackson?


The entire world IS in apostasy because they are not spiritual. Very few people are spiritual these days. This should be obvious. If you do not see that the world is in apostasy then you are spiritually blind. But people can be saved from any religion if they have a relationship with God, are faithful in their daily prayers, and do good deeds. Unfortunately, most religionists do nothing for their spirituality.

And i have no idea what that picture is.

Oh great spiritual one!  Teach me thy wisdom!
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« Reply #198 on: April 30, 2012, 01:30:10 PM »

Oh boy, another roving fruitloop who has a theory on why his cult and no one else are the 'true Jews.'  Roll Eyes Again, kid, give it a rest. And I thought the Yahweh ben Yahweh cult was goofy.

What? I am not a Jew. The whole Judaism thing is b.s.
How charitable of you  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #199 on: April 30, 2012, 01:58:24 PM »

The Essenes were a Jewish sect, weren't they? Anyway, when are you going to quit the b.s.?

NO! The Essenes were absolutely not a Jewish sect. The Jews were from the tribe of Judah that went astray while held captive in Babylon. Their priestly scribes invented the False Law of Moses that requires animal sacrifices. The ancient Essenes had a completely different Law from Moses which was very simple, and was re-established by Yashua. The Essenes are absolutely not Jewish in any way whatsoever. Abraham, Moses, and Yashua were not Jews. Judaism was the religion of a tribe that become one of the two kingdoms in the land. Don't be duped.
Do you have any peer-reviewed scholarship to back this up, or do you believe that scholars and historians are corrupt?

All you have to do is to research and think about it. The terms Jew and Judaism were invented by the Jews themselves. Abraham and Moses have never heard of the nonsense. They were not Jews.
amartin, I might be wrong but I don't remember that Jesus/Yashua ever referred to himself as an essene. And by the way, the essenes must have come up with the name 'essenes' at some point. If the essenes were allowed to come up with a name for themselves, why not the jews?
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« Reply #200 on: April 30, 2012, 02:22:18 PM »

Yet another creepy anti-Semite with a wack theory no one cares about.

I think I'd get more benefit out of poking myself in the eye.
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Yet another creepy anti-Semite with a wack theory no one cares about.

I think I'd get more benefit out of poking myself in the eye.

I never move when I'm rubbing my eyes. I'm always afraid I'll hit my elbow on something, thereby jamming my finger into my eye. True story.  Grin
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I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.

Do you live a communal life?  One of the most striking examples of Essene piety, indeed the thing that made them "Essenes", was their strict communal life.  I would love to hear about your experiences in communal living.

The Essenes and early followers of Yashua believed in communalism. I have lived in communes. But they are generally not spiritual enough.

I would really like to read more about your experiences living a communal life.  What made them not spiritual enough for you?  Were you the only one dissatisfied with the experience?
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I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.

Do you live a communal life?  One of the most striking examples of Essene piety, indeed the thing that made them "Essenes", was their strict communal life.  I would love to hear about your experiences in communal living.

The Essenes and early followers of Yashua believed in communalism. I have lived in communes. But they are generally not spiritual enough.

I would really like to read more about your experiences living a communal life.  What made them not spiritual enough for you?  Were you the only one dissatisfied with the experience?

I was literally the only one there who prayed and meditated daily. When i went off in the early mornings to the woods then they would come get me because it wasn't "community oriented" enough. They were supposedly Christian communities.

Other than Orthodox Christians, the rest of the so-called Christian world does not do anything for their spirituality. It is really pathetic.
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« Reply #205 on: May 01, 2012, 06:09:27 PM »

I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.

Do you live a communal life?  One of the most striking examples of Essene piety, indeed the thing that made them "Essenes", was their strict communal life.  I would love to hear about your experiences in communal living.

The Essenes and early followers of Yashua believed in communalism. I have lived in communes. But they are generally not spiritual enough.

I would really like to read more about your experiences living a communal life.  What made them not spiritual enough for you?  Were you the only one dissatisfied with the experience?

I was literally the only one there who prayed and meditated daily. When i went off in the early mornings to the woods then they would come get me because it wasn't "community oriented" enough. They were supposedly Christian communities.

Other than Orthodox Christians, the rest of the so-called Christian world does not do anything for their spirituality. It is really pathetic.

Did they offer a communal alternative to private prayer and meditation in the woods? 
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« Reply #206 on: May 01, 2012, 06:18:46 PM »

I am an Essene. Its not a separate religion. Essenes are people who are set apart from the apostasy of the rest of the world and the heretical sects of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc. We follow the simple religion revealed to the patriarchs.

Do you live a communal life?  One of the most striking examples of Essene piety, indeed the thing that made them "Essenes", was their strict communal life.  I would love to hear about your experiences in communal living.

The Essenes and early followers of Yashua believed in communalism. I have lived in communes. But they are generally not spiritual enough.

I would really like to read more about your experiences living a communal life.  What made them not spiritual enough for you?  Were you the only one dissatisfied with the experience?

I was literally the only one there who prayed and meditated daily. When i went off in the early mornings to the woods then they would come get me because it wasn't "community oriented" enough. They were supposedly Christian communities.

Other than Orthodox Christians, the rest of the so-called Christian world does not do anything for their spirituality. It is really pathetic.

Did they offer a communal alternative to private prayer and meditation in the woods?  

No, like i said, they did absolutely NOTHING for their spirituality on a daily basis. This was true at all the "radically Christian" and "on fire for God" communities that i lived at. They are a complete joke. Hopefully, they will not be burned with an unrelenting flame.
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« Reply #207 on: May 01, 2012, 08:39:06 PM »

So these communities you were living at were Essene Communities? Also, I know you did not consider yourself Jewish, Did you consider yourself Hebrew or something else?
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« Reply #208 on: May 01, 2012, 08:48:53 PM »

So these communities you were living at were Essene Communities? Also, I know you did not consider yourself Jewish, Did you consider yourself Hebrew or something else?

They were Christian communities. And no, I am not a Hebrew.
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« Reply #209 on: May 01, 2012, 09:04:37 PM »

Okay, so your making a distinction between Christian and Essene, and between Essene and not only Judiaism but also anything Hebrew, am I understanding that correctly?
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