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Re: Why
« Reply #585 on: May 08, 2012, 09:03:09 PM »

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Re: Why
« Reply #586 on: May 08, 2012, 09:05:00 PM »
You may be right. I can only go by what is said.

If that is ALL that you do you might get more response from some of us.  But you have a nasty habit of "reading in to" a comment and then phrasing your questions to suit your own interpretations, thereby making them unanswerable with respect to the original comment and its author.

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That made me smile...Can't argue with the 'umble of 'eart!!

You are really are full of yourself, aren't you?

I was being genuine and genuinely conciliatory.  I thought your remarks were humble.

But that is the LAST time I make that mistake. 

Back to my comments on the fact that there's really no point in talking to you because you add value to things that are not there...just like al Misry does.
like you say, value is not there....
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Re: Why
« Reply #587 on: May 08, 2012, 09:11:52 PM »
I have remarked before that I think the Catholic Answers Forum is so open and public that it's hard to hold a meaningful conversation -- kind of a free-for-all, you might say.

It's nice that OCnet isn't that way, it's more focused and scholarly. Yet at the same time, the elitism here can be bit much. I sometimes feel like anything I say here is tainted, before it has even been read, just because it comes from a non-elite. I'm not saying that makes it worse than CAF, but perhaps it means that it's no better than CAF, just different.
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Re: Why
« Reply #588 on: May 08, 2012, 09:16:53 PM »
I know I certainly feel more elite than I was before I started posting here. After all, you can't spell monocle without OC.

COINCIDENCE?! I THINK NOT, GOOD SIR.
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Re: Why
« Reply #589 on: May 08, 2012, 09:23:57 PM »
COINCIDENCE?! I THINK NOT, GOOD SIR.

Indeed, sir.

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Re: Why
« Reply #590 on: May 08, 2012, 09:27:19 PM »
I know I certainly feel more elite than I was before I started posting here. After all, you can't spell monocle without OC.

COINCIDENCE?! I THINK NOT, GOOD SIR.

Oh dear!
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Re: Why
« Reply #591 on: May 08, 2012, 09:59:59 PM »
I know I certainly feel more elite than I was before I started posting here. After all, you can't spell monocle without OC.

COINCIDENCE?! I THINK NOT, GOOD SIR.

Oh dear!

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Re: Why
« Reply #592 on: May 08, 2012, 10:13:34 PM »


I'm taking initiative!
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Re: Why
« Reply #593 on: May 09, 2012, 08:20:08 AM »
I know I certainly feel more elite than I was before I started posting here. After all, you can't spell monocle without OC.

COINCIDENCE?! I THINK NOT, GOOD SIR.

On a side note, I've noticed that you're on CAF as well. If you're curious about my future over there, send me a PM over here (I can't do PMs over there) and I'll respond. (Ditto for anyone else who's curious.)
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Re: Why
« Reply #594 on: May 10, 2012, 09:20:11 AM »
Back to my comments on the fact that there's really no point in talking to you because you add value to things that are not there...just like al Misry does.

I briefly considered starting an opinion poll regarding who, between the two of us, is more similar to ialmisry. I decided not to; but just to give my own opinion, I don't think it's me.

Then again, who knows ... maybe the fact that I'm convinced that I'm not like him is really a sign that I am just like him.  :D  Kind of a catch-22. 

No offense, ialmisry.  :angel:
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Re: Why
« Reply #595 on: May 18, 2012, 08:15:14 AM »
The thing is, I don't see anything in Rdunbar's post to suggest that he had already ceased to be Catholic.

elijahmaria has already explained that she believes that "there's really no point in talking to" me, but with regard to the rest of the posters on this thread I can't tell whether you agree with what I said, or whether you disagree but haven't gotten around to arguing against it ...
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Re: Why
« Reply #596 on: May 18, 2012, 09:51:57 AM »
The thing is, I don't see anything in Rdunbar's post to suggest that he had already ceased to be Catholic.

elijahmaria has already explained that she believes that "there's really no point in talking to" me, but with regard to the rest of the posters on this thread I can't tell whether you agree with what I said, or whether you disagree but haven't gotten around to arguing against it ...
 

Maybe he hasn't "officially" ceased being Catholic, in the sense of not yet having converted/translated to Orthodoxy, but if he or anyone else, as Papist wrote, can no longer profess the (non-Orthodox) Catholic faith as defined by the Catholic Church then whether or not they have "officially" converted, he/they are no longer really and fully Catholic.  And given that Rdunbar *apparently* can no longer profess the Catholic faith, perhaps he would be better off in Orthodoxy.  I, for one, would not begrudge him that at all.  It saddens me some, but he must do what he must do.

I'm not sure if the above constitutes agreement or disagreement with you, but perhaps it isn't a black and white as that. 

That sort of raises the question of those Catholics who no longer practice their faith or any other.  You know, the so-called "lapsed" Catholics.  Are they still "Catholic" or not?  Same question can, of course, be asked of "lapsed" Orthodox.  I reckon that by virtue of their baptism, and unless they had somehow actively renounced the faith, "officially" they would be, but in their hearts and to be counted as "true believers" in the best possible sense of the term, probably not.
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Re: Why
« Reply #597 on: May 19, 2012, 10:23:46 AM »
Quote from: Rdunbar123
This is the heart of the problem and the reason I am inquiring into Orthodoxy. Indeed, who can tell the Pope he is heretic if he does something like declaring open communion with Lutherns(not a slam, just picked at random). Surely there is a mechanism? Maybe a better informed RC could chime in. Please don't tell me there have been no crazy popes,there have been Neo-pagan popes.

Maybe he hasn't "officially" ceased being Catholic, in the sense of not yet having converted/translated to Orthodoxy, but if he or anyone else, as Papist wrote, can no longer profess the (non-Orthodox) Catholic faith as defined by the Catholic Church then whether or not they have "officially" converted, he/they are no longer really and fully Catholic.  And given that Rdunbar *apparently* can no longer profess the Catholic faith, perhaps he would be better off in Orthodoxy.

Even after 5 years, this forum still surprises me. At the risk of being the class dunce, I don't get this ^^ at all.
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Re: Why
« Reply #598 on: May 19, 2012, 11:56:53 AM »
Quote from: Rdunbar123
This is the heart of the problem and the reason I am inquiring into Orthodoxy. Indeed, who can tell the Pope he is heretic if he does something like declaring open communion with Lutherns(not a slam, just picked at random). Surely there is a mechanism? Maybe a better informed RC could chime in. Please don't tell me there have been no crazy popes,there have been Neo-pagan popes.

Maybe he hasn't "officially" ceased being Catholic, in the sense of not yet having converted/translated to Orthodoxy, but if he or anyone else, as Papist wrote, can no longer profess the (non-Orthodox) Catholic faith as defined by the Catholic Church then whether or not they have "officially" converted, he/they are no longer really and fully Catholic.  And given that Rdunbar *apparently* can no longer profess the Catholic faith, perhaps he would be better off in Orthodoxy.

Even after 5 years, this forum still surprises me. At the risk of being the class dunce, I don't get this ^^ at all.

No, you're no dunce.  And in the light of what Rdunbar posted, which apparently I missed somehow (apologies all around!), I seem to have misspoken, at least where he is concerned.  So, I get that you wouldn't get what I wrote because in it's proper context it was un-getable.  Sorry 'bout that.

That doesn't change the general idea that if someone, Rdunbar excluded at least for now, isn't able to profess the Catholic faith any longer, they may not actually be Catholic and should look for a new spiritual home.  Is that the case, or am I, yet again, talking out of my posterior inferior orifice?
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Re: Why
« Reply #599 on: May 19, 2012, 12:12:58 PM »
No, you're no dunce.  And in the light of what Rdunbar posted, which apparently I missed somehow (apologies all around!), I seem to have misspoken, at least where he is concerned.  So, I get that you wouldn't get what I wrote because in it's proper context it was un-getable.  Sorry 'bout that.

OIC. I guess we weren't thinking of the same person -- which is understandable b/c when I posted yesterday, I neglected to quote Rdunbar's post.

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Re: Why
« Reply #600 on: May 28, 2012, 10:57:41 AM »
As I have explained before - Joe Monahan was a pseudonym used in my former role as a mod at CAF in the days when the EC forum there meant Eastern Christianity.

BTW, it may just be that I'm not as smart as the average CAF participant, but until last year I never even picked up on the fact that mod names over there aren't real names. Therese Martin, Catherine Grant, Jo Benedict, Angela Tate, Jill Foster, etc etc. Those just sounded like regular names to me until someone told me otherwise.

Am I the only one who was so slow on the uptake?  ???
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Re: Why
« Reply #601 on: May 28, 2012, 11:43:06 PM »
As I have explained before - Joe Monahan was a pseudonym used in my former role as a mod at CAF in the days when the EC forum there meant Eastern Christianity.

BTW, it may just be that I'm not as smart as the average CAF participant, but until last year I never even picked up on the fact that mod names over there aren't real names. Therese Martin, Catherine Grant, Jo Benedict, Angela Tate, Jill Foster, etc etc. Those just sounded like regular names to me until someone told me otherwise.

Am I the only one who was so slow on the uptake?  ???

Peter,

Until I accepted a mod position there, I don't think that I had ever considered the possibility that the mod names were pseudonyms. AFAIK, full-time CAF staffers do use their real names, although a very few additionally have a pseudonym that they utilize.

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