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« on: April 19, 2012, 01:32:35 PM »

I've heard this both ways so I'd like clarification.

For κύριος (and the feminine version as well)

is it pronounced koo-ri-os or kee-ree-os?

This is killin me.

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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 03:18:42 PM »

Dear primuspilus,

The real Greek people I hear pronounce it like "kee".

But what do they know?

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 03:20:47 PM »

Yeah, see I've learned that when the upsilon is not preceeded by a vowel, it's "ee" or like a Y. however, I head alot of folks, when referring to a priest's wife or something say , "koo-ree-a". Almost like the nation of Korea but jumbling the second syllable up......

I dont know why it irritates me so much but it does Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 03:25:40 PM »

Yeah, see I've learned that when the upsilon is not preceeded by a vowel, it's "ee" or like a Y. however, I head alot of folks, when referring to a priest's wife or something say , "koo-ree-a". Almost like the nation of Korea but jumbling the second syllable up......

I dont know why it irritates me so much but it does Smiley

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isn't "khouria" arabic for a priest's wife?
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 03:29:39 PM »

When my godmother, in her 80's, started going to an OCA church she wanted to call the priest's wife "Matushka", but it came out
"My tush".  After everyone had a laugh, she decided to stick with "Presbytera".
btw,  I think its from the Arabic tradition that the priest's wife  would be called "Khouria".   But what do I know?  
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 06:46:51 PM »

Yeah, see I've learned that when the upsilon is not preceeded by a vowel, it's "ee" or like a Y. however, I head alot of folks, when referring to a priest's wife or something say , "koo-ree-a". Almost like the nation of Korea but jumbling the second syllable up......

I dont know why it irritates me so much but it does Smiley

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"Khouriya" is an Arabic word, and is not related to Kyrios.

The proper pronunciation is "KY-ri-os," and in the feminine, "ky-RI-a."

However, in Erasmian pronunciation, the Ypsilon is pronounced like a U.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 07:23:42 PM »

I've heard this both ways so I'd like clarification.

For κύριος (and the feminine version as well)

is it pronounced koo-ri-os or kee-ree-os?

This is killin me.

thanks

pp

This is why I asked you months ago which pronunciation you were learning.

If you had shared, I could have prevented you from falling into the Satanic delusion of "Kurios".
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 08:03:16 PM »

Yeah, see I've learned that when the upsilon is not preceeded by a vowel, it's "ee" or like a Y. however, I head alot of folks, when referring to a priest's wife or something say , "koo-ree-a". Almost like the nation of Korea but jumbling the second syllable up......

I dont know why it irritates me so much but it does Smiley

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"Khouriya" is an Arabic word, and is not related to Kyrios.

The proper pronunciation is "KY-ri-os," and in the feminine, "ky-RI-a."

However, in Erasmian pronunciation, the Ypsilon is pronounced like a U.

Exactly correct. In my years of wrestling with the many "types' of Greek based on the respective era of study I have come to think that even what is taught in universities as Erasmusian pronunciation is itself flawed from what Erasmus himself devised.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 07:29:55 AM »

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This is why I asked you months ago which pronunciation you were learning.

If you had shared, I could have prevented you from falling into the Satanic delusion of "Kurios".
I did answer you, however I also think kurios is satanic, if not some horrid latinization  laugh laugh

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"Khouriya" is an Arabic word, and is not related to Kyrios.

The proper pronunciation is "KY-ri-os," and in the feminine, "ky-RI-a."

However, in Erasmian pronunciation, the Ypsilon is pronounced like a U
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Exactly correct. In my years of wrestling with the many "types' of Greek based on the respective era of study I have come to think that even what is taught in universities as Erasmusian pronunciation is itself flawed from what Erasmus himself devised
What are the different pronounciations?

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 11:49:31 AM »

I've heard this both ways so I'd like clarification.

For κύριος (and the feminine version as well)

is it pronounced koo-ri-os or kee-ree-os?

This is killin me.

thanks

pp

I don't think Kyrios has a feminine version. At least not in attic.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 03:15:27 PM »

I've heard this both ways so I'd like clarification.

For κύριος (and the feminine version as well)

is it pronounced koo-ri-os or kee-ree-os?

This is killin me.

thanks

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I don't think Kyrios has a feminine version. At least not in attic.

Not in Attic written form, but we've no idea whatsoever if there existed back then the slight pronunciation difference between genders as exists now.
I am lousy at transliteration and the difference is so slight that the best advice I can give short of finding a live Greek speaker is to find a voiced example on the Internet - they are out there. I think the kypros.org site has these in an early lesson.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 06:43:06 PM »

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I don't think Kyrios has a feminine version. At least not in attic.

There is indeed a feminine form of kyrios. It is kyria (κυρία).
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2012, 04:13:47 PM »

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I don't think Kyrios has a feminine version. At least not in attic.

There is indeed a feminine form of kyrios. It is kyria (κυρία).

Kyria seems to be limited to modern greek, at least it didn't exist in attic greek. Of δεσπότης there doesn't seem to be a feminine form either, the usage of δέσποινα being limited to new greek.

So, the Ancient (and Byzantine?) Greeks had no word for a female master. Wasn't that the problem Empress Irene ran into as well when she awkwardly decided to style herself βασιλεύς instead of βασίλισσα?
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2012, 11:01:58 AM »

I recant, δέσποινα is found in ancient greek.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 10:09:52 AM »

I've heard this both ways so I'd like clarification.

For κύριος (and the feminine version as well)

is it pronounced koo-ri-os or kee-ree-os?

This is killin me.

thanks

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I don't think Kyrios has a feminine version. At least not in attic.

Not in Attic written form, but we've no idea whatsoever if there existed back then the slight pronunciation difference between genders as exists now.
I am lousy at transliteration and the difference is so slight that the best advice I can give short of finding a live Greek speaker is to find a voiced example on the Internet - they are out there. I think the kypros.org site has these in an early lesson.
Pronunciation of "Κύριος"
In International Phonetic Alphabet it's ['ciɾi.os]
Pronunciation of "Κυρία"
In IPA it's [ci'ɾi.a]
The letter [r] in intervocalic position is pronounced as a tapped [ɾ]
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 10:29:13 AM »

I've heard this both ways so I'd like clarification.

For κύριος (and the feminine version as well)

is it pronounced koo-ri-os or kee-ree-os?

This is killin me.

thanks

pp

I don't think Kyrios has a feminine version. At least not in attic.

Not in Attic written form, but we've no idea whatsoever if there existed back then the slight pronunciation difference between genders as exists now.
I am lousy at transliteration and the difference is so slight that the best advice I can give short of finding a live Greek speaker is to find a voiced example on the Internet - they are out there. I think the kypros.org site has these in an early lesson.
Pronunciation of "Κύριος"
In International Phonetic Alphabet it's ['ciɾi.os]
Pronunciation of "Κυρία"
In IPA it's [ci'ɾi.a]
The letter [r] in intervocalic position is pronounced as a tapped [ɾ]

That's wild! Attic for the first; modern for the second. Go figure...if you can.
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