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« on: April 16, 2012, 03:41:05 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 03:46:54 PM »
Why should they be?
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 03:48:07 PM »
EMO?


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Re: Why..
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 03:56:31 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

? Most of the Orthodox Churches I have been in have been quite brightly coloured. The major exceptions have been older churches where layers of candle-smoke and incense have somewhat dulled the original colors--though even then all the gold-leaf and brass tends to keep them more sparkly than most emo-kids would be happy with.
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Re: Why..
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 03:57:39 PM »
I think mine is pretty colorful...



We have to remember, as hard as it is to, than the Church isn't just about the pretty icons, shiny metal objects and smelly incense.  It's about Christ becoming flesh for us.  We actually come in contact with God at the liturgy, which is the only place that this happens.



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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 04:05:15 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

 I'm showing my age now... what's Emo? 
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 04:05:34 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

um...this doesn't describe my church at at all...  ???

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 04:07:07 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

 I'm showing my age now... what's Emo?  

its a counterculture, kind of like a more innocent version of the "goth kids" you would see in school back in the 90's...
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 04:07:38 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

I think you have it all wrong.  Orthodox Churches aren't emo.  The only one I've ever known to cut himself in Church is me, and I had an excuse.  That prosphora was so hard I just couldn't take it any more!

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 04:29:22 PM »
Why? Because God himself is emo. Think about it... always talking about how no one understands him, always trying to be mysterious, always having strange mood swings, willing to cause bodily harm to himself...  if God doesn't have an emo haircut when I get to judgment I'm going to be very let down.
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2012, 04:39:18 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2012, 04:40:38 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2012, 04:41:15 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

? Most of the Orthodox Churches I have been in have been quite brightly coloured. The major exceptions have been older churches where layers of candle-smoke and incense have somewhat dulled the original colors--though even then all the gold-leaf and brass tends to keep them more sparkly than most emo-kids would be happy with.

None of the Churches i`ve been as far as i remmeber had a luminous aspect.
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Re: Why..
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2012, 04:41:27 PM »
EMO?



Still dark comparing to this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17QpA1pJVBU&feature=fvwrel

The Church in the video os RC.  There are distinct differences between RC and OC Churches, which are common nearly totally across the board.

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2012, 04:42:05 PM »
Why? Because God himself is emo. Think about it... always talking about how no one understands him, always trying to be mysterious, always having strange mood swings, willing to cause bodily harm to himself...  if God doesn't have an emo haircut when I get to judgment I'm going to be very let down.

I doubt it.
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2012, 04:44:02 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

looks much too bare/plain/white to me...but i do like the natural light.

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2012, 04:45:20 PM »
Why? Because God himself is emo. Think about it... always talking about how no one understands him, always trying to be mysterious, always having strange mood swings, willing to cause bodily harm to himself...  if God doesn't have an emo haircut when I get to judgment I'm going to be very let down.

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2012, 04:53:01 PM »
Why? Because God himself is emo. Think about it... always talking about how no one understands him, always trying to be mysterious, always having strange mood swings, willing to cause bodily harm to himself...  if God doesn't have an emo haircut when I get to judgment I'm going to be very let down.

I doubt it.

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2012, 04:55:47 PM »
Why? Because God himself is emo. Think about it... always talking about how no one understands him, always trying to be mysterious, always having strange mood swings, willing to cause bodily harm to himself...  if God doesn't have an emo haircut when I get to judgment I'm going to be very let down.

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2012, 04:57:44 PM »
Why? Because God himself is emo. Think about it... always talking about how no one understands him, always trying to be mysterious, always having strange mood swings, willing to cause bodily harm to himself...  if God doesn't have an emo haircut when I get to judgment I'm going to be very let down.

Really? You think that's why you're going to be let down at the judgment? You must know some secret that I don't...

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2012, 04:57:56 PM »
Well, good for you. Let me know how that is.  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2012, 05:11:09 PM »
Well, good for you. Let me know how that is.  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2012, 05:26:16 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

 I'm showing my age now... what's Emo?  

its a counterculture, kind of like a more innocent version of the "goth kids" you would see in school back in the 90's...

 Thanks.  I was thinking it was something like that.

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2012, 05:33:34 PM »
If Orthodox churches were emo, I might'nt cop so much flack for my haircut every Sunday.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2012, 05:36:02 PM »
If Orthodox churches were emo, I might'nt cop so much flack for my haircut every Sunday.

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2012, 05:45:29 PM »
EMO?



Looks like a vampire lair to me.  ::)
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2012, 05:47:03 PM »
Why are Orthodox Churches so Emo.. Why are they so dark coloured and not coloured in bright luminous colours?

? Most of the Orthodox Churches I have been in have been quite brightly coloured. The major exceptions have been older churches where layers of candle-smoke and incense have somewhat dulled the original colors--though even then all the gold-leaf and brass tends to keep them more sparkly than most emo-kids would be happy with.

None of the Churches i`ve been as far as i remmeber had a luminous aspect.

How does one objectively quantify that?
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2012, 07:36:19 PM »
Dark colors did not always represent emo...
Or for that matter, darkness/depressed.
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2012, 07:41:05 PM »
Eh?

Any examples of the sorts of churches you're talking about?
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2012, 08:18:42 PM »
They are lighter in America -the churches I mean -since they are newer but in Romania since the op is from there they are rather dark.

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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2012, 09:44:41 PM »
They are lighter in America -the churches I mean -since they are newer but in Romania since the op is from there they are rather dark.

Obviously. Although the vampires in Romania aren't nearly as emo as those in America. At least I hope they're not. THAT would be a dark and depressing reality--emo vampires the world over. Lord save us.
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Re: Why..
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2012, 12:57:56 AM »
I think mine is pretty colorful...



We have to remember, as hard as it is to, than the Church isn't just about the pretty icons, shiny metal objects and smelly incense.  It's about Christ becoming flesh for us.  We actually come in contact with God at the liturgy, which is the only place that this happens.




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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2012, 01:40:54 AM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

looks much too bare/plain/white to me...but i do like the natural light.

I couldn't find a picture of a church that was decorated.
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2012, 01:56:08 AM »
St. Innocent OCA in Macon, GA...



It's fairly new (built in 2004), and I'm not sure if they plan on adding any iconography on the walls. I think it looks beautiful as it is though  :)
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2012, 05:23:55 AM »
Not all orthodox churches look like the ones from that 60 Minutes Mt Athos Special.
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2012, 06:12:48 AM »
St. Innocent OCA in Macon, GA...



It's fairly new (built in 2004), and I'm not sure if they plan on adding any iconography on the walls. I think it looks beautiful as it is though  :)

Actually, the Iconography committee had its first meeting a few weeks ago to begin the process.  :)

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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2012, 11:04:10 AM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

Let me get this straight are you saying that the altar and dome area do not have windows and do not let natural light come in as in to symbolize the light from Heaven?Is that true?
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2012, 12:19:08 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

Let me get this straight are you saying that the altar and dome area do not have windows and do not let natural light come in as in to symbolize the light from Heaven?Is that true?

All I can say is I've seen MANY EO churches with windows in the altar area.
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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2012, 12:31:24 PM »
Of course in the consideration of EMO being really NEW and modern thrown out....

Many early Christians did have services in the tombs to hide from those wanting to kill them.  This is why the EO places relics in the altar because often the services were held over the bodies of dead Christians.   I mean, I suppose a nice bright tomb may be better.  :)

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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2012, 02:17:44 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

Let me get this straight are you saying that the altar and dome area do not have windows and do not let natural light come in as in to symbolize the light from Heaven?Is that true?

I'm not saying anything, except that most of the orthodox churches i have seen, have rather small windows, while western churches seem to generally have larger windows which often makes the church looks brighter, and I wanted to know if there was a special reason for that.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2012, 08:08:37 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

Let me get this straight are you saying that the altar and dome area do not have windows and do not let natural light come in as in to symbolize the light from Heaven?Is that true?

I'm not saying anything, except that most of the orthodox churches i have seen, have rather small windows, while western churches seem to generally have larger windows which often makes the church looks brighter, and I wanted to know if there was a special reason for that.

windows=space that could have been used for icons.
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2012, 08:10:31 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

Let me get this straight are you saying that the altar and dome area do not have windows and do not let natural light come in as in to symbolize the light from Heaven?Is that true?

I'm not saying anything, except that most of the orthodox churches i have seen, have rather small windows, while western churches seem to generally have larger windows which often makes the church looks brighter, and I wanted to know if there was a special reason for that.

windows=space that could have been used for icons.

we got some in the dome, that's about it. it also helps to lighten the weight of the dome, iirc.

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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2012, 08:26:39 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Why? Because God himself is emo. Think about it... always talking about how no one understands him, always trying to be mysterious, always having strange mood swings, willing to cause bodily harm to himself...  if God doesn't have an emo haircut when I get to judgment I'm going to be very let down.



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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2012, 08:40:27 PM »
I think mine is pretty colorful...



We have to remember, as hard as it is to, than the Church isn't just about the pretty icons, shiny metal objects and smelly incense.  It's about Christ becoming flesh for us.  We actually come in contact with God at the liturgy, which is the only place that this happens.




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Regarding your "discussion" with Peter, I do remember being very sure of myself and intolerant of any hint of criticism. That was 50 years ago and in those days, we were expected to listen to our elders with respect and without getting all huffy (even when we felt all righteous and correct). Different times I guess....

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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2012, 08:49:39 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

Let me get this straight are you saying that the altar and dome area do not have windows and do not let natural light come in as in to symbolize the light from Heaven?Is that true?

I'm not saying anything, except that most of the orthodox churches i have seen, have rather small windows, while western churches seem to generally have larger windows which often makes the church looks brighter, and I wanted to know if there was a special reason for that.

windows=space that could have been used for icons.

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« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2012, 09:24:46 PM »
I just remembered something I found at some point. I read that traditionally, orthodox churches would have most windows in the altar area and the dome to symbolize the light from Heaven and that this is why some orthodox churches can appear pretty dark. One thing, I envy the western churches is how so many of them are filled with huge windows which bathes the church in light. I would love to see this in an orthodox church.

Let me get this straight are you saying that the altar and dome area do not have windows and do not let natural light come in as in to symbolize the light from Heaven?Is that true?

I'm not saying anything, except that most of the orthodox churches i have seen, have rather small windows, while western churches seem to generally have larger windows which often makes the church looks brighter, and I wanted to know if there was a special reason for that.

windows=space that could have been used for icons.

=Stained glass  8)

oh please no...anything but that!  :P