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Re: Did Martin Luther mean to do what he did?
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2012, 09:45:18 AM »
No, he wouldn't have wanted things to turn out the way they have but it's still better than the Papacy.


Better to deal with one Roman Pope than millions of individual protestant popes.  8)

Why? I know lots of 'individual protestant popes' who have ended up converting to Orthodoxy. I am not aware of single Roman Pope who has done so in the last 900+ years.

According to Scott Hahn (formerly protestant, now neo-conservative Roman Catholic):

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Upon closer examination, I found the various Orthodox churches to be hopelessly divided among themselves, similar to the Protestants, except that the Orthodox were split along the lines of ethnic nationalisms

(See the thread Something rotten in the state of ecumenism.)
Okay. :-\ What do you hope to convey by saying this?
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Re: Did Martin Luther mean to do what he did?
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2012, 01:16:37 PM »
No, he wouldn't have wanted things to turn out the way they have but it's still better than the Papacy.


Better to deal with one Roman Pope than millions of individual protestant popes.  8)

Why? I know lots of 'individual protestant popes' who have ended up converting to Orthodoxy. I am not aware of single Roman Pope who has done so in the last 900+ years.

According to Scott Hahn (formerly protestant, now neo-conservative Roman Catholic):

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Upon closer examination, I found the various Orthodox churches to be hopelessly divided among themselves, similar to the Protestants, except that the Orthodox were split along the lines of ethnic nationalisms

(See the thread Something rotten in the state of ecumenism.)
Okay. :-\ What do you hope to convey by saying this?


Not sure what he was trying to convey, but I certainly know what he did convey.  ;)

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Re: Did Martin Luther mean to do what he did?
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2012, 10:01:25 PM »
No, he wouldn't have wanted things to turn out the way they have but it's still better than the Papacy.


Better to deal with one Roman Pope than millions of individual protestant popes.  8)

Why? I know lots of 'individual protestant popes' who have ended up converting to Orthodoxy. I am not aware of single Roman Pope who has done so in the last 900+ years.

According to Scott Hahn (formerly protestant, now neo-conservative Roman Catholic):

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Upon closer examination, I found the various Orthodox churches to be hopelessly divided among themselves, similar to the Protestants, except that the Orthodox were split along the lines of ethnic nationalisms

(See the thread Something rotten in the state of ecumenism.)
Okay. :-\ What do you hope to convey by saying this?


Not sure what he was trying to convey, but I certainly know what he did convey.  ;)

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Re: Did Martin Luther mean to do what he did?
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2012, 05:42:58 AM »
No, he wouldn't have wanted things to turn out the way they have but it's still better than the Papacy.


Better to deal with one Roman Pope than millions of individual protestant popes.  8)

Why? I know lots of 'individual protestant popes' who have ended up converting to Orthodoxy. I am not aware of single Roman Pope who has done so in the last 900+ years.

According to Scott Hahn (formerly protestant, now neo-conservative Roman Catholic):

Quote
Upon closer examination, I found the various Orthodox churches to be hopelessly divided among themselves, similar to the Protestants, except that the Orthodox were split along the lines of ethnic nationalisms

(See the thread Something rotten in the state of ecumenism.)
Okay. :-\ What do you hope to convey by saying this?


Not sure what he was trying to convey, but I certainly know what he did convey.  ;)

You're not going to just leave us hanging, are you?

Hmmm ... I guess you did want to leave us hanging.  :-\
- Peter Jericho (a CAF poster)

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Re: Did Martin Luther mean to do what he did?
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2012, 11:36:21 AM »
I can't speak for Luther, but the Lutheran Confessions at least pose a quite different version of "sola scriptura" than most Prots hold.  Lutherans are certainly not Orthodox in their understanding of Scripture, but the Confessions do not hold to a "me and my Bible" position either.  They cite to the Fathers to support their views.  Sometimes errantly, to be sure.  But the point is not that they cite to the Fathers properly, but rather that they believed themselves to be reading Scripture as the Church has always read Scripture.  So there was an element of tradition in Lutheranism that is not present among much of Protestantism.

This is why the historic Western liturgy was largely maintained (though, as was noted earlier, modified to suit Lutheran theological presuppositions), etc.
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